I have already been shopping the gunnersalley.com site

great turnout this time, hopefully it continues to grow

7/11/2009 11:59:22 PM

Good times at the range. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm decent with a Glock.

Also .357 Sig is a fun round. Seems to be better than .40 S&W, at least for me. Looks like I'll be getting a another barrel.

[Edited on July 12, 2009 at 4:44 PM. Reason : eh]

7/12/2009 4:42:57 PM

^^


oh, and the Glock 24 at 25 yards. 30 rounds.


[Edited on July 12, 2009 at 8:40 PM. Reason : .]

7/12/2009 8:40:06 PM

Quote :

"I never thought I'd say this, but I'm decent with a Glock. "

It was hard for me to admit that as well. The 3 or 4 I have shot felt awkward and were IMO ugly as sin but always made nice tight groups. Well made accurate guns just made out of the wrong materials.

7/12/2009 9:30:16 PM

Quote :

"Good times at the range. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm decent with a Glock."

So how long till the G32 is added to your collection, and the G24 to hers

7/12/2009 10:31:31 PM

I'm actually considering a glock as my next purchase.

My caliber of choice is generally 9mm, but are there any reasons not to buy a Glock 22 so I can shoot .40 as well and just get a 9mm conversion barrel?

7/12/2009 10:56:54 PM

^nope. For the extra 125 for a mag and barrel you have a second gun.

7/12/2009 11:15:40 PM

What is the smallest glock in .45

7/12/2009 11:28:05 PM

Glock 36

7/12/2009 11:31:36 PM

GAP or ACP?

The smallest is the G36 which is ACP, 6+1
"By using a single-stack magazine, the GLOCK 36 measures only 28.5mm/1.13 in. in width."

The G30 is called a subcompact, but is almost the size of their compact frames. It is 8 or 9+1 IIRC

In GAP you have the G39.

7/12/2009 11:34:51 PM

It was a 36 I shot last. It felt like a ball peen hammer being smashed in the center on my hand everytime I fired it. Very uncomfortable to shoot.

7/13/2009 12:51:32 AM

Quote :

"So how long till the G32 is added to your collection, and the G24 to hers "

Hmmmmmmm I'll have to sell something to make room. So most likely whenever I get around to that.

The low bore axis is great for accuracy. The grip eats up my hand though. Will have to try the XD357 first and then make a decision. Either way, a gun that I don't have to clean and that I can drop in the mud is a valuable commodity.

[Edited on July 13, 2009 at 1:00 AM. Reason : I'm looking for a new subcompact too. Thin is in.]

7/13/2009 12:58:32 AM

how small a subcompact? 32? 9mm? 40? 45? And I assume single stack is your goal.

7/13/2009 6:20:05 PM

^^^, My G27 tears up my hand as well.

7/13/2009 6:23:00 PM

Quote :

"how small a subcompact? 32? 9mm? 40? 45? And I assume single stack is your goal."

dunno. pocket sized. 380 / 9mm haven't decided about anything. single stack is good.

7/13/2009 6:44:52 PM

there is a KelTec 380 for sale on TWW right now, and I like my single and double stack keltec 9mm's

7/13/2009 8:03:28 PM

i want a pf-9 but i am poor

7/13/2009 9:29:47 PM

what does the collective gun knowledge think an AR pistol in .223 should run for?

"DPMS AR 15 lower, Model 1 Sales Upper 7.5" barrel, Model 1 pistol buffer tube. Yankee Hill free float Quad Rail, Yankee Hill sights, Yankee Hill Phantom Flash Hider, Yankee Hill Low profile gas block, Magpul Trigger Guard, Hogue rubber Grip. Gun has had around 300rds down the barrel and will come with two 30rd mags."

7/13/2009 9:46:20 PM

^^pf-9 is pretty solid, and they're pretty cheap as far as handguns go

still a little under 300 bones isn't cheap in the normal sense I guess

7/13/2009 10:05:01 PM

^^ New, probably 900-1100. Used, maybe 900 or so. If I were buying it, I'd want proof positive that it runs reliably. The 223 pistols are notorious for ejection and feeding problems if they haven't been properly tuned.

7/13/2009 10:10:28 PM

I would order it from del-ton

7/14/2009 9:57:33 PM

My Kel-Tec PLR-16 was a GREAT AR type pistol and I highly recommend them over some of the more expensive options for reasons other than the massive savings. For one thing, they're piston operated instead of gas impingement. The second, much more important thing, is that mine never once had a single failure. It worked flawlessly and with the optional grip up front and their PLR muzzle brake it becomes very accurate and controllable for an AR pistol. It also lacks that tube sticking off the back, which makes it a lot more concealable. With a sling and the right jacket, it can actually be carried concealed!

That gun offers quite a bit of firepower in a reliable, compact and controllable package. The 10rd mag that comes with it works well and it also worked fine with everything else I tried, which included 30rd Orlite mags, those 20rd light grey GI type mags and quite a few other 30rd AR mags with various followers, but mostly that standard green guy.

Here's a video of one with the muzzle brake, it shows you just how incredibly controllable it is. Note that in this video it does NOT have the optional front grip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJE3-MpxALE

7/16/2009 11:42:03 AM

I'm going to back up SaabTurbo on the premise that Stoner's AR-15 was never designed to be a pistol. The PLR-16 looks like it was based off of their SU-16 rifles which had an easily collapsible stock and fire control group and was more suited for adaptation to a pistol. There's also the short-barreled SU-16D with a folding stock.

7/16/2009 2:28:10 PM

While it was never designed to be a pistol, AR pistola's are merely a pistol in the legal sense, and not so much in the practical sense. Most of them having 10-11 in barrels, it's really just a shorter barreled rifle that has no stock, and only requires tuning comparable to that of any SBR. The nice thing about a real AR pistol is that you can make it an SBR for $200 + Form 1 and the time it takes to change the buffer tube. It's a nice "upgrade" path if you're interested in NFA down the road.

The fault in the design (if you want to call it that) is the lack of time to build up pressure and the subsequent mistiming of ejection. The major issue can be solved by using a significantly heavier buffer and a properly located gas block for the barrel length(and commercial barrel will do this), and an upgraded extractor makes ejection and feeding reliable. The advantage to the piston is that you eliminate the buffer and dwell-time issues, skirting around the gas system complexities. The disadvantage in the Kel-tec's design is that it doesn't use standard AR parts on most of it. It does what it does well, but that upgrade path option is much more restricted.

The core issue is that one can't just swap the barrel out and expect it to run, but a properly built and tuned AR pistol can run just as reliably as a rifle. If you want instant reliability, go with a piston kit, or get a blowback-operated 9mm. I have a 9mm one and it runs like clockwork. If I were looking for a 223 one, I would not buy one of the Kel-tec's myself due to the proprietary design, but to each his own.

7/16/2009 5:07:12 PM

Quote :

"The major issue can be solved by using a significantly heavier buffer and a properly located gas block for the barrel length(and commercial barrel will do this), and an upgraded extractor makes ejection and feeding reliable."

And using a pigtailed gas tube. The extra coils in the gas tube = extra length = longer dwell time.

7/16/2009 6:40:49 PM

I threw an offer to the guy on the AR pistol. We'll see what the response is tomorrow.

7/16/2009 7:46:38 PM

My wife and I just got our first gun -- a Remington 870 Express Magnum. She bought it, so it is actually hers.

I can't find it on the website anymore, but apparently when they first came out the 870 Express only did 2-3/4" shells while the Express Magnum did that plus 3" shells. Someone correct me if I'm wrong...I found that info here:
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=37794

Anyway it is only a few years old, 10 rounds through it...$100 cash. I'm thinking of calling Remington to see how old it is, if they can look up the serial number.


It used to be my sister-in-law's when she was dating her ex awhile back. She sold it to her ex, who sold it to us because he is thinning the herd. I'd say we got a damn good deal on it.

[Edited on July 16, 2009 at 8:18 PM. Reason : ]

7/16/2009 8:16:36 PM

^ That is a good deal. I think the cheapest I have seen one go for is $175 or so, and I have no idea on its condition.



So, the guy accepted my offer. We are working out the details of payment and acquisition.
http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/o...9/IMG_3972.jpg

7/16/2009 9:03:13 PM

^^ are you wanting to know the age simply due to curiosity or are you worried about the chamber length?? if its the latter, the length should be stamped on the side of the barrel. (sorry if you already knew that)

7/16/2009 9:53:43 PM

I didn't have a pigtail on my 7.5" 5.56, I did have port opened about .005( I think, been a while) and added a Oring behind the extractor. It ran great, it even liked wolf. it was completely useless, which is why i parted it out, but damn it was cool. I had a Levang linear comp on the end, it helped with the blast which wasnt bad with just a bare barrel. I never could get it small enough to fit in a briefcase, but it would fit in a tennis racket bag. The O ring will get you a long way toward running.

7/16/2009 10:25:46 PM

Quote :

"^^ are you wanting to know the age simply due to curiosity or are you worried about the chamber length?? if its the latter, the length should be stamped on the side of the barrel. (sorry if you already knew that)"

Curiosity -- I'm not that clueless...

7/17/2009 7:32:24 AM

Found a sweet M14. I don't need one at all, but I've been good this year. I'll be mulling it over this week.

It was labeled as an M14 and was on the shelf next to an M1A. Is there any difference or is it just marketing?

7/19/2009 5:19:30 PM

the M1A is the commercial version of the M14, they may be mixing and matching terms. REAL M14s from the miltary had a provision for a full auto selector, they took the switches off of them due to soliders emptying the magazine in .00003 seconds. M1As are outstanding rifles, I would shy away from the shorter ones, (socom? or scout?) but you may like them.

7/19/2009 8:20:51 PM

^ Yeah, I've known that they've been sold as M1As for years now but wasn't sure if there was a variant that was sold as an M14. They might just be mixing terms. I'll be sure to grill them next time.

My first rifle was an M1 garand and I still love it. Knowing that, I really can't think of any possible reasons that I would dislike an M1A.

7/20/2009 12:44:28 AM

At first Remington offered the 870 Express, then came the Express Magnum (3").
Remington offered both models for a while, but then changed to only the 870 Express Magnum (no more 2.75" chambers).
Since then, they have dropped the "Magnum" off of the name.

If your reciever says magnum, then it's good with 3" shells.

If your gun doesn't say magnum then you have to check the serial number. New 870 Expresses (without magnum in the name) will have an "M" at the end of the serial number, signifying the receiver is a magnum receiver.

Don't get the info off of the barrel.
Both the non magnum and magnum use the same barrels and all recently manufactured ones will be 2.75 or 3"

7/20/2009 8:44:59 AM

Quote :

"^ Yeah, I've known that they've been sold as M1As for years now but wasn't sure if there was a variant that was sold as an M14. They might just be mixing terms. I'll be sure to grill them next time. My first rifle was an M1 garand and I still love it. Knowing that, I really can't think of any possible reasons that I would dislike an M1A."

I'd say that an M14, modded selector or not, would be at least 2x more than an M1A. Last M14 I saw was like $10k.



the M1A is completely badass, and they are getting expensive unfortunately. I still want a SOCOM 16/

7/20/2009 10:23:25 AM

Yeah, unfortunately the Springfield M1A my cousin had was always jamming and we only used good ammo like Hornady and some German and U.S. Military ball. It consistently fucked up with all of the ammo we tried. He bought it new, it was the one with a black plastic stock and a stainless barrel and other parts.

The AK-47 he had was my favorite gun of his actually. It just felt good to fire, was more reliable when compared with his Bushmaster M4 and Springfield M1A. For whatever reason his AK was very accurate as well, even with Wolf coated steel case garbage.

I swear, I'm getting tired of firearms being worthless right out of the fucking box. It has been happening a lot to me and people I know lately and not just with the absolute shittiest manufacturers either. Shit like S&W, Springfield, Armalite, Bushmaster, etc. The sad thing is, even a fucking Hi-Point will work just fine with a little polishing of the feed ramp and possibly a quick tweak of the magazine feed lips.

Why in the hell do these lemons keep coming out?!

7/20/2009 10:48:22 AM

Was it short stroking? Double feed? failure to feed? failure to extract? etc

Not to question your cousin's or your gun care abilities, but was the M1A clean?
Many people don't clean the gas systems well enough and many who do clean them oil them excessively.
That would easily cause short stroking.

AK style rifles are obviously less prone to malfunctions due to the looser tolerances.

Quote :

" Why in the hell do these lemons keep coming out?! "

because people will continue to buy them and if they turn out a quality product then it will cost more than most are willing to pay.
Think about it, the price of raw material has gone up, but the price of guns hasn't gone up as much, so they're cutting cost somewhere.

7/20/2009 5:08:05 PM

Quote :

"If your reciever says magnum, then it's good with 3" shells."

The receiver says "Express Magnum" so we are GTG.

7/20/2009 6:14:46 PM

$100 is a hell of a deal. It would still be a hell of a deal even if it was beat up.
I never run accross deals like that

7/21/2009 9:09:21 AM

anyone have suggestions for a tactical light for my mossberg?

looking for something with a remote switch

7/21/2009 1:24:12 PM

Quote :

"Not to question your cousin's or your gun care abilities, but was the M1A clean? Many people don't clean the gas systems well enough and many who do clean them oil them excessively. That would easily cause short stroking."

They all got cleaned way more than they got fired honestly.

When I think of a lemon I think of problems from day one, so that's what I meant. My Smith and Wesson model 642 is still fucked up after S&W supposedly repaired it. I'm beginning to think the entire gun needs to be replaced because something major must be out of spec. It is DAO and as you pull the trigger, the cylinder does not line up with the barrel until just before the hammer drops. When I compared it with my friend's identical gun, the differences were INSANE. You could actually feel a huge difference in the triggers. My gun is straight fucked up and quite a few other Model 642's that were sold around the same time were also shit guns.

I've just been seeing a whole lot of garbage circulating and it sucks ass to buy something that doesn't fucking work. Especially when that something is generally used to protect someone's life!

7/21/2009 2:14:24 PM

Wow that sucks.

Is the alignment in your 642 at full lockup good?
That's really all that matters.

About the trigger, is it smooth, then gets heavy right before it breaks as if it was a two stage trigger?
If that's the case, then my 637 and my friend's 637 also does that.
I found the problem was crappy machining in the ratchet.
The part of the ratchet where the hand presses forward isn't milled correctly. There's a slightly raised part near the top left of the cutout.
As the hand pushes upward on the ratchet, the front of the hand catches the raised part and you have to pull harder on the trigger to get the hand to move past the raised part.
It makes for a shitty trigger.
You can file it yourself if you're brave enough. i did it to mine a tiny bit and dry firing also helped to make it go away.

7/21/2009 5:41:23 PM

I have reached the true stage of being a gun nerd. I now have all of my ammo in a database listed by number of boxes, brand, rounds per box, and ammo type, with an updated archival copy any time ammo goes in or out of the ammo case.

7/21/2009 6:04:14 PM

Quote :

"I'd say that an M14, modded selector or not, would be at least 2x more than an M1A. Last M14 I saw was like $10k."

I went back today and chatted up the clerk. He told me that the rifle is a demilled M14 (not true) and pointed out the empty hole where the selector switch would have been as proof.

It's got a fairly beatup synthetic stock that I would definitely replace with wood if I got it. The receiver is marked Federal Ordnance and they have a bit of a checkered history with M1A/M14s. Apparently they never made the rifle for the military, but instead were one of the first to market a civilian version of it starting in the 70s. They made their own receivers and then used USGI parts, either surplus from the US or Israel, for the first run and then used chinese made parts for the large remainder. Apparently Fed. Ord. is the cheapest price and quality you can get. It was listed at $950, but after digging around I think I'll just wait until I can drop a few hundred more and get an M1A from Springfield.

The clerk told me $900 if I paid cash, but I think I'll pass.

7/22/2009 8:39:44 PM

I'd Pass on the fed ord rifle, they have some milspec parts but some of the others are proprietary to them. The stock probbably had the cutout for the selector, Freds M14 stocks had the synthetics. for $900, you are right to spend a little more for the springfield.

7/23/2009 6:23:07 PM

Found out how a Pittsborough Sherif deputy handles a CCW.

So, driving down to the Uwharrie range, my roomate and I were pulled over. He was driving. Neither of us knew why, as we had watched the previous stop from the deputy pull away, and then we passed the deputy on the side of the road. Obviously, we were doing the speed limit. About a mile later, we were pulled over.

The deputy came to the passenger side window, and I handed him my CHP and licensce. My roomate handed his licensce to me which I handed to the officer, and then dug through the glove box to get his registration.

The officer asked me where the gun was, and I told him. He had pretty much no reaction. He had my roomate get out of the car and stand beside it, and asked me to keep my hands near the window.

He talked to my roomate a little, and then talked to me. How long have you known him, where are you going, where do you live, do you have more guns with you....? After his questions, I asked the purpose of the stop. He said "xxxxxx was going a little over the speed limit."

A few more minutes went by and my roomate got back into the car.

He was written a warning for 58 in a 55.

7/23/2009 10:53:11 PM

suck

7/23/2009 11:11:56 PM

does anyone know if the written warning is put into the system?

My roomate wants to know if his licensce is run if the warning will show up, and if it does, that it was 58 in a 55.

If one of thhe few LEO on the board could answer it would be great.

7/23/2009 11:22:38 PM

I'm interested in getting a glock in .40 cal eventually, and wanted to see what the prevailing opinions were on here.

I have a CZ P01 that would be my primary CCW gun, so I was leaning toward the Glock 22, but it would be nice to be able to use it for CC if I felt like it, which would seem to indicate the 23. How big is the trade-off between control and concealability?

7/23/2009 11:23:55 PM