when lost first came out I remember reading an interview with the writers and they were all like "no they're not dead and no the island is not purgatory"

which I guess they kept to their word, but I was thinking there wasn't going to be any heaven/hell/purgatory since they were so adamant that it wasn't the case

oh well... initially I thought "omg when this show is over a part of me is going to die" but now I'm like "meh, not too bad"

5/24/2010 12:08:37 AM

I would have loved to have been in those Season 1 -3 writing meetings where they're just agreeing to put in WTF stuff and agree to tie it all together later.

5/24/2010 12:08:52 AM

I won't say it was awesome but i don't think it could've been better. The show was in an awkward place and that was pretty pleasing. Son i am dissapoint yet satisfy

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5/24/2010 12:09:19 AM

Matthew Fox just explained it completely in the first 2 minutes of Jimmy Kimmel show.

5/24/2010 12:09:50 AM

^^^ Yea, like Walt healing that bird.

Now how in the fuck are they going to tie that shit into the final episode without it coming across as some super weak sauce fanboy pandering.

[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 12:11 AM. Reason : s]

5/24/2010 12:10:28 AM

^^yep, just saw that too

[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 12:11 AM. Reason : .]

5/24/2010 12:10:44 AM

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"Yea, like Walt healing that bird. Now how in the fuck are they going to tie that shit into the final episode without it coming across as some super weak sauce fanboy pandering."

So lets just ignore it?

You're right, that is some excellent storytelling right there.

5/24/2010 12:11:28 AM

Thats the problem, they couldn't tie everything together. They lost (haha) control of this ship a long time ago. That finale just showed how little they had anything together.

5/24/2010 12:11:29 AM

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"Its a hodgepodge of shit that happened."

that's not what this show is about

5/24/2010 12:11:37 AM

^x9 I agree. For the past few weeks, I've been all worried about what happens if Locke escapes, but then that whole thing just kind of fell apart when Jack pushed him off the cliff. I thought there was going to be some big loop where MiB becomes Locke or Desmond in the other timeline or just something like that, but then it turned out the other timeline was not really related at all.

[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 12:12 AM. Reason : slow/drunk]

Btw, fuck this. We're still showing the news here in Nashville. Is Jimmy Kimmel on now? Dammit

[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 12:13 AM. Reason : crap]

5/24/2010 12:11:48 AM

When has Lost ever turned out as you expected?

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5/24/2010 12:12:38 AM

you guys demand 6 seasons of perfection and if they fucked up one time then the whole fucking thing stinks.



I guess this kind of shit is why fanboys are so despised by normal society.

5/24/2010 12:12:43 AM

Sure.

They story is convoluted, it is a TV show. The writers changed directions many times. There is some good stuff here though. It wasn't a totally coherent narrative from start to finish. However, how many times before have we seen a pop-culture show inspire debates about dead philosophers, free will, asynchronous time, the after life, and love? The number of levels in allegory in this show, at the very least, is laudable for at least asking the audience to think about something.

5/24/2010 12:12:43 AM

The whole alt-universe seems like nothing but an attempt to distract us from the fact they couldn't answer 1/2 the WTF stuff that happened on the island. They were banking that this major revelation of a question that wasn't posed until the beginning of Season 6 would take our eyes away from the real questions brought up in the first 5 seasons.

5/24/2010 12:12:45 AM

Maybe one day a cast member will come out and just say yeah we didn't know what the fuck we were doing

face it, the show got big but kept feeding answers with more questions then ended up in a place where there was no answer.

Now everyone will argue about it all.

Or explain it on the DVD release = profit

5/24/2010 12:12:48 AM

no one wants to die alone

5/24/2010 12:13:18 AM

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"that's not what this show is about"

the show isnt about what happens in the show?

I get what you're saying. But the show WAS about all that shit in the hodgepodge until they realized they were fucked. When they realized it we got seasons 5 and 6.

5/24/2010 12:13:19 AM

So this is what Lost was really about. I knew it all along:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUDcSeUvkOw

5/24/2010 12:14:49 AM

Alright so they fucked up. Then why didn't you stop watching it at season 4.

Or better yet, why don't you shut the fuck up and write a better series?

5/24/2010 12:14:50 AM

Can someone summarize what's happening on Kimmel? They won't switch over here. Thanks.

5/24/2010 12:15:37 AM

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"I get what you're saying. But the show WAS about all that shit in the hodgepodge until they realized they were fucked. When they realized it we got seasons 5 and 6."

no, it wasn't. it has always been about the people, redemption, whether they can change, etc.

5/24/2010 12:16:48 AM

It was the battlestar ending. Turns out we wrote more mysteries than we can resolve by the end so turns out the answer is religion. Jesus is the reason for the season finale.

5/24/2010 12:17:26 AM

what was the significance of that shoe hanging in the bamboo? I feel like I should remember it, but dont.

5/24/2010 12:17:45 AM

Let's just say this - it was a fuck ton better than the ending of Sopranos.

5/24/2010 12:18:24 AM

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"what was the significance of that shoe hanging in the bamboo? I feel like I should remember it, but dont."

1st episode. it was christian's shoe.

5/24/2010 12:18:59 AM

looked like there were different religious figures in the "church"

5/24/2010 12:19:01 AM

I think the shoe was a callback to the pilot

5/24/2010 12:19:09 AM

^^^^^ You would have preferred a midichlorian ending?


[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 12:19 AM. Reason : ]

5/24/2010 12:19:14 AM

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"no, it wasn't. it has always been about the people, redemption, whether they can change, etc."

No, it was about the people and their discovery and exploration of the island's mysteries. Their backstories and why they were connected was part of it.

5/24/2010 12:19:37 AM

^^^^It looked liked most of the world's religions were represented there

[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 12:20 AM. Reason : ]

5/24/2010 12:19:38 AM

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"No, it was about the people and their discovery and exploration of the island's mysteries. Their backstories and why they were connected was part of it."

no. you missed the bus. thanks for coming out though.

5/24/2010 12:20:29 AM

How was it christian's shoe? I thought he was in a casket? And if it was christian's shouldn't it have been a dress shoe? Man I must have forgotten a lot...

5/24/2010 12:20:58 AM

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/White_tennis_shoe

5/24/2010 12:22:29 AM

I get what some people are saying about how they couldn't have made everyone happy, they couldn't have answered all the questions, etc. Yes, there's no way they could have answered everything and they shouldn't have. The problem I had with the ending was that it's like they realized that they weren't going to be able to answer ALL the questions, so they decided to come up with a way that they could end the show without answering ANY of the questions. We got nothing about what the island was, where it came from, who built it, what was magic about it, etc. What "defending" it entailed after the MIB/Smoke Monster was gone. I mean, you could sit here for months thinking up questions that didn't get answered. And it all boiled down to "everything doesn't matter because everyone eventually dies" I just don't feel like you can hide behind saying that everyone dies and goes to heaven and not just completely remove the importance of literally EVERYTHING that's happened for the previous 6 years.

It's just the cop-out to top all cop-outs.

5/24/2010 12:23:14 AM

nevermind

[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 12:23 AM. Reason : .]

5/24/2010 12:23:30 AM

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"no. you missed the bus. thanks for coming out though"

ah, so you have no legit argument.

Look back at the early seasons. at ANY of the significant plot happenings, cliffhangers, episode topics, or length of time spent on a topic. They all had to do with what the island was, what was going on on the island, its history etc. Just because you throw in flashbacks on the characters that slowly show they are all connected doesn't make all the other shit you're showing us irrelevant.

5/24/2010 12:23:48 AM

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"saying that everyone dies and goes to heaven and not just completely remove the importance of literally EVERYTHING that's happened for the previous 6 years. "

This did not happen

5/24/2010 12:24:30 AM

In total, I thought the series was great. I've never gotten so hooked on a bunch of characters and mysteries in a prime time TV show like I did for this one. I'll admit that I felt good when the connections were made in the finale and thought the way they presented it was very powerful. It just kind of sucks that so much was introduced that could have led to very cool stories but were sort of abandoned. Hopefully they don't plan to just milk any answers for a profit now.

5/24/2010 12:24:59 AM

The island was only a plot device to carry forward the story of human experience.

5/24/2010 12:25:36 AM

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"ah, so you have no legit argument. Look back at the early seasons. at ANY of the significant plot happenings, cliffhangers, episode topics, or length of time spent on a topic. They all had to do with what the island was, what was going on on the island, its history etc. Just because you throw in flashbacks on the characters that slowly show they are all connected doesn't make all the other shit you're showing us irrelevant."

except i heard it in a podcast from around season 2 or season 3, and carlton cuse has restated it several times over the years

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703837004575013182487704058.html

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"Carlton Cuse: Our focus has always been on the characters and we spend 80% or 90% of the time talking [in the writer's room] about characters and 10% talking about mythology. So our main concern is to have satisfying resolutions to the characters. We can't answer every last question about the show. If we did that, the show would be so pedantic that it would be uninteresting. Take "Star Wars," for example. When the Force was a more ambiguous notion, it was more satisfying than when George Lucas tried to explain it as particles in the blood stream of a Jedi."

5/24/2010 12:26:33 AM

^^exactly

[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 12:26 AM. Reason : dfasd]

5/24/2010 12:26:36 AM

so, essentially, anybody has one of these pre-afterlife meetings with their loved ones after they die. Just so happens that this particular group crashed unharmed on a mysterious island with ghosts, polar bears, smoke monsters, time travel & robo-sharks. But, fuck it, that's not what this show is about, right? Right? Anybody?

5/24/2010 12:28:00 AM

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"The island was only a plot device to carry forward the story of human experience."

I was just typing up something relatively long alluding to this, basically. this sums it up, though.

I agree a lot was abandoned, or underdeveloped, but, in the end, I thought it was apt. And I haven't watched much since Season 3.

^I don't think they crashed unharmed. I think they all died on impact, and this was a manifestation of some sort of purgatory-ish realization from each character, etc.

yeah, it sounds ridiculous as shit. but it's still kinda cool.

[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 12:30 AM. Reason : dfads]

5/24/2010 12:28:14 AM

9 times out of 10, what you don't know is much more compelling than what you know.

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"Just so happens that this particular group crashed unharmed on a mysterious island with ghosts, polar bears, smoke monsters, time travel & robo-sharks. But, fuck it, that's not what this show is about, right? Right? Anybody?"

Sure, that can be what the show is about... That doesn't mean they have to focus on one or all of those aspects to the point of tedium in the final episode.

[Edited on May 24, 2010 at 12:30 AM. Reason : s]

5/24/2010 12:28:26 AM

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"Carlton Cuse: Our focus has always been on the characters and we spend 80% or 90% of the time talking [in the writer's room] about characters and 10% talking about mythology"

too bad in the first few seasons what they talked about in the writers room and what they showed on screen weren't the same.

It is in fact painfully clear they only spent 10% of the time discussing amongst themselves the mythology. Unfortunately after 3 or 4 seasons of heavily implying that the mythology you spent so little time talking about in your writers room is relevant and is connected closely with what is going on you end up ruining what started out as a good show.

5/24/2010 12:30:19 AM

All I'll say on it:

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"It's just the cop-out to top all cop-outs."

and

5/24/2010 12:30:27 AM

I just don't know why you'd bother creating such an elaborate mythos for 6 years and then completely abandon that in the last 5 minutes of the show.

5/24/2010 12:31:59 AM

I liked it.

5/24/2010 12:32:05 AM

to fuck with the viewer, of course.


I mean, aren't you lost?

5/24/2010 12:32:28 AM

The island was purgatory, and Dharma rhymes karma, and everyone had to work off their karma/sins before being allowed into a somewhat multicultural heaven. The end.

5/24/2010 12:34:15 AM