We need to design press breaks that do not involve the ball touching the ground.

1/3/2009 6:29:02 PM

I really wanna know why Simon played so much more than Tracy today

1/3/2009 6:29:16 PM

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"We need to design press breaks that do not involve the ball touching the ground"

Sid didn't learn that at Phoenix University Online. Nor did he when he was sucking cock at the NBA level. I can't believe I have to watch this shit for the rest of the year.

1/3/2009 6:30:36 PM

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"apparently you think we have some mysterious phantom talented players sitting on the bench that Lowe just doesn't think about putting in"

uhh.. the phantom player is named tracy smith.

but i don't blame sid for this loss.. we played hard and lost to a decent team

1/3/2009 6:31:47 PM

post

1/3/2009 6:32:08 PM

It was really just calathes destroying us. He beat McCauley and Mays/Degand on the pick and roll. I don't think smith would have done better than harris on the weakside help (which is where we needed improvement).

We need guards. We need Fells to slash to the basket.

We need fells to use his athleticism more on help defense. Fells lets himself get buried on screens off the ball, allowing smaller guards to get really open.

1/3/2009 6:35:22 PM

^^^OH YEAH

CLEARLY TRACY SMITH COULD GUARD CALATHES

[Edited on January 3, 2009 at 6:36 PM. Reason : .]

1/3/2009 6:35:59 PM

ATTN people who constantly claimed we were "mediocre" under Herb

Now you know what mediocre really is.

[Edited on January 3, 2009 at 6:37 PM. Reason : ]

1/3/2009 6:37:22 PM

It might have been interesting to try to trap Calathes and see if the other Florida players could make the right passes, especially on that last white boy floater he made.

Of course, that would require practice preparation.

^ I remember plenty of losses like this under Herb. Please to not rewrite history. This has been a typical Herb-esque preseason, which is the problem.

[Edited on January 3, 2009 at 6:40 PM. Reason : .]

1/3/2009 6:38:13 PM

I've seen worse coaching my Lowe...but it still wasn't good coaching.

Florida is not that good of a team. They had ONE player doing anything for them...and we still couldn't stop him.

And that last possession was pathetic. First, you'd like to have your PG get to at least halfcourt before you call that TO. It's really hard to diagram a full-court play with 11 seconds left. And whether or not that's what Sidney diagrammed, we still chastised Herb for last second plays that looked that they weren't diagrammed that particular way.

Bottom line is still wins and losses folks.

1/3/2009 6:39:36 PM

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"Now you know what mediocre really is."

We were an "above average" ACC team Herb's last 5 or so years. We were mediocre in Sid's first year. We were terrible last year. We are below average this year.

And I just rewatched the end of the game. What the fuck was Sid thinking calling a timeout before we got to half court???? This isn't the f'ing NBA. THAT is just piss poor. I don't think he did a bad job overall today but that is just a fundamental misunderstanding of the rules...

1/3/2009 6:42:17 PM

I am 100% confident that Degand taking it to the rack is not what he called. Lowe's only mistake is putting in a PG who will not listen to his directions.

Lowe is a better play-caller than that.

^I hope it wasn't a matter of forgetting the rules. I would like to think it was that he just didn't have confidence in the guards to get it up quickly.


[Edited on January 3, 2009 at 6:46 PM. Reason : .]

1/3/2009 6:43:53 PM

YOU PLAY

TO WIN THE GAME

1/3/2009 6:46:37 PM

certainly sidney lowe's agenda today was to lose.

1/3/2009 6:47:16 PM

1) Yes we play hard. I don't give a fuck about that....EVERY team should play hard.

2) The talent lacking is not an excuse we've been over this, it's no one's fault but Sid.

3) I knew how this game would end at halftime.

4) This season is nothing like a Herb season. We have played the easiest schedule possibly in the history of the ACC for an OOC season. We are ranked like 130 or somewhere in the RPI. We HAVE to go 10-6 to even be on the damn bubble.

1/3/2009 7:57:11 PM

i love people who expect to win all the time in a rebuilding phase

1/3/2009 8:05:03 PM

This isn't football. You don't need that long to rebuild.

1/3/2009 8:29:18 PM

not like we werent predicted to finish near the bottom of the acc or anything.

Gotta love way state fans think we are gonna win the ACC every year

1/3/2009 8:31:34 PM

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"not like we werent predicted to finish near the bottom of the acc or anything."

Part of the problem.

1/3/2009 8:33:35 PM

yeah, ok, so having this knowledge doesnt keep you guys from going off the deep end after every L

TO be honest, i had low expectations for this season and we have performed better than i expected with the exception of the loyola game

1/3/2009 8:35:07 PM

I have low expectations too. But that doesn't mean I should be happy we have a shitty team.

Hey...let's just predict a last place finish every year so we won't be disappointed!

1/3/2009 8:37:22 PM

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"This isn't football. You don't need that long to rebuild."

not trying to be really argumentative about this, but have there been other instances in the past where a guy has come from the NBA to college basketball and brought a considerable amount of success in a relatively short amount of time? i could just not be thinking hard enough, but if anyone has a good example then i'm interested in knowing.

help is on the way. you just have to be patient.

1/3/2009 8:38:05 PM

^^or let's just not be realistic and ALWAYS be disappointed.

[Edited on January 3, 2009 at 8:39 PM. Reason : ^]

1/3/2009 8:38:06 PM

i'm not happy

i just said that we knew going into the season we werent gonna be very good, although we are better than we were last season

1/3/2009 8:38:41 PM

[generic observation about Lowe/Herb/the team that's already been posted several times]

1/3/2009 8:48:36 PM

^^^

I'm about as realistic a State fan as you're going to find. But I'll always be disappointed with a loss and/or a team that isn't playing well.

But I'll definitely be disappointed when I think a coach is holding back and possibly hurting our program. Which I thought Amato was doing and what I think Lowe is doing (although I hope I'm wrong).

1/3/2009 8:51:06 PM

did anyone really expect sidney lowe to be the saving grace for this decrepit basketball team

its going to take a big name, with credentials to get us anywhere close to contention. resulting to hiring a positive image from our glorious past is a temporary solution to a detrimental problem.

1/3/2009 9:10:52 PM

^^STFU

I'll still take this season over last one's. The man is improving.

[Edited on January 3, 2009 at 9:11 PM. Reason : p]

1/3/2009 9:11:25 PM

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"its going to take a big name, with credentials to get us anywhere close to contention."

No...we just need to hire a good coach.

1/3/2009 9:11:45 PM

so we went from sweet 16, NCAA bids and acc finals to this

we fired a better coach with no solution before hand

dont kid yourself, we have a bad coach

his coaching resume is an epic fail .. i dont blame him, but i blame the people who fired herb, and hired him

1/3/2009 9:16:27 PM

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"No...we just need to hire a good coach."

Yeah, we had one of those, but we ran him off. We wanted a "great" coach and got this. I didn't love Sendek, but we were a good team. 5 straight NCAA's, and probably the 3-5th best ACC team depending on the season. When you have Duke and UNC next door, that is pretty damn good, and the team was getting progressively better. Hell, even if we became the 3rd best ACC team every year, which would be respectable, it wouldn't be enough for most fans. So we got stuck with an unproven, uneducated coach who so far has shown to be incompetent in developing players, but yes he can recruit athletes. (Amato anyone?).

1/3/2009 9:19:34 PM

fuck herb...he would have smith and maccauley jacking up 3 pointers all game...our PGs would be just as bad as our current PGs, and they'd probably be white and even less athletic and able to bring the ball up court

1/3/2009 9:21:13 PM

yea, except we would have a winning record in the ACC and be going to the NCAAT. I wasn't a huge Sendek fan, but if you are going to run off a coach, you should have a better replacement, not someone who is going to take the program back to what it was when Sendek came in.

1/3/2009 9:22:52 PM

herb would probably have one blowout loss already this year

1/3/2009 9:26:21 PM

wow, your arguments are stunning

anyone want to bring up Chris Wright, too?

1/3/2009 9:28:15 PM

herb is gone, why the fuck are we playing the what if game with herb, fuck herb, learn to let him go, he's not our coach anymore and will never be our coach again

1/3/2009 9:30:53 PM

What if Les Robinson was still the coach

1/3/2009 9:32:40 PM

I love how everyone has gotten their panties in a wad over every single one of these close games we've lost.

The second half was definitely ugly, but what did you really expect against a Florida team averaging nearly 10 steals a game? Guard play continues to be our weakest point and it showed. Also, I want to kill Degand for whatever that shit was at the end. I still give Lowe a lot of credit for having us in the game with a chance to win at the end. And you can bitch about Lowe all you want, but the fact is he has had to basically start from scratch with point guards and they're still very inexperienced. How many real games (against real opponents) has Degand played in? Like 6? Mays has only played in 3 and Javi...well I guess he's still hurt?!

The team still has some a lot of work to do, but I think some of you people expect too much too soon.

1/3/2009 9:43:32 PM

Some of yall sound like that guy who keeps crying to his buddies about his boring ex-girlfriend who dumped him years ago. You really do just need to move on.

I think that in many ways, Sid is learning as he goes. We're definitely better than last year. We really just need a good point guard. And while a few mistakes were made in the recruiting, that's not totally Sid's fault (no matter how you try to rationalize that it is). We'll probably end better than last year. And help is on the way. Hold your judgement, or at least stop being so hysterical until then.

1/3/2009 9:45:19 PM

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"The team still has some a lot of work to do, but I think some of you people expect too much too soon."

With all due respect, why shouldn't we? It's year 3 and we weren't exactly in the shitter when he took over. The previous five years, by any metric, we were the third or fourth best team in the ACC. We haven't even SNIFFED that in the 2 years folllowing...

I'm willing to give Lowe some time, as I've said countless times, but he deserves a good deal of the criticism he is getting... If Wall doesn't commit, we STILL won't have a true high-elite PG on the roster...

1/3/2009 9:48:46 PM

the season is a marathon, not a sprint...i just can't get too worked up about a 9-3 record, when our 3 losses were by a combined total of 10 points

we're a couple plays here and there away from being 12-0...lets see how we look over the next few months

[Edited on January 3, 2009 at 9:51 PM. Reason : .]

1/3/2009 9:50:25 PM

Why would you want to kill Degand. He played a pretty good game overall sans a bad play at the end.

If Tracy Smith could hit layups, Harris could hit layups, Horner could defend anyone or at least make open jumpers, Ben would stop trying to play aggressive defense against guys half his size, Fells would learn to score, Mays would make basic passes, etc... we would have won.


This was a game we should have won because we matched up well with Florida. They also played pretty poorly in the first half. Unfortunately, we didn't take advantage of that to build up a big enough lead to sustain a complete meltdown in the clutch.

Sidney does not know how to win. Herb did not know how to win. Herb had better talent. Sidney looks like he can obtain better talent. Neither one can win with it. I say we let Sidney stay another year to stock our shelf and then let him work the register while someone else manages it.

[Edited on January 3, 2009 at 9:51 PM. Reason : terrible]

1/3/2009 9:51:09 PM

I'm not, but you have to admit that we are 0-3 against ACC-like competition. That doesn't exactly inspire me... Clemson should be tough, but we can run with the VT, UVa, GTs of the ACC...

1/3/2009 9:51:18 PM

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"If Wall doesn't commit, we STILL won't have a true high-elite PG on the roster..."

But Brown should come in come in looking better at the point than anyone we've had in a long time. (Nothing against Atsur). Both he and Harrow are performing phenomenally in high school. Mays should develop into a great backup.

1/3/2009 10:03:26 PM

A couple of comments...

How come the starting 5 are only on the court togther long enough to build up a 5 or 6 point lead then substituted? Serously, the starters are only in together for a few minutes each game it seems....

Our defense is horrible.
We have no transition game.
The guys are running like they have rocks in their shoes.
If the ball is loose, we stand there and watch it or jog over to it with no sense of urgency.
Basically, our fundamentals are not sound.

Next game, Sid needs to send a message. If you wont HUSTLE, you will be benched. I dont care if we get blown out by 50 points, sit them on the bench if they dont play 110%. I'd rather watch Fergy, Smith, and the bench play than anyone we had on the court tonight. Sit them all down! It's time to get tough with these losers.

1/3/2009 10:53:42 PM

i hope all you herb blowers stick around for next season...you know, when we have guards.

i mean i'll be the first to admit that sid's sucked it up so far this season, but i think all you need to do is look at the final play today to see why we sucked so much. and it has a lot more to do with personnel than coaching.

i'll also be the first to admit that if sidney doesn't pan out, i'm still glad we tried. herb and everyone else who was satisfied with hopeless post-season play can suck it.

1/4/2009 1:01:26 AM

I only defend Herb when someone says something stupid.

Problem is yes next year we get Lo Brown, Howell, Wood, dreaming of another 1/2 but we lose McCauley, Fells, and likely Costner. The talent won't improve unless we land Wall/Favors/Cousins.

1/4/2009 1:04:40 AM

i agree that we need a real pg to come in. Wall would be nice if he commits, but if he doesn't that leaves us with another 1 year gap.

Ryan Harrow is looking really good right now as a junior. I'm excited to get him here to see what he can do. I think he will be a good one.

1/4/2009 1:09:53 AM

wall would undoubtedly be huge for us.

but just having brown (a ball handler and scorer) and wood (a shooter) i think will do a lot for us.

i really hope that costner stays now though since he's turned out to be our best player this season. (but not if we need him gone to land wall/favors/cousins )

1/4/2009 1:10:13 AM

still credible on page 55

1/4/2009 8:19:30 AM