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3/25/2011 4:24:43 PM

FUCK. I was counting on settling for Gillispe.

3/25/2011 4:25:50 PM

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"that stellar recruiting class will definitely bring them down"

yeah just like our stellar recruiting class this past year yielded great results

Williams is arguably the best player in the country, you don't just seamlessly move on without losing a beat when you lose a player like that

3/25/2011 4:26:01 PM

having sean miller on the sidelines > our last 3 coaches with a good recruiting class.

losing williams still sucks for them though.

[Edited on March 25, 2011 at 4:30 PM. Reason : ]

3/25/2011 4:28:56 PM

i refuse to believe it until i hear it from miller or yow.

3/25/2011 4:30:02 PM

^ The point of a firm assisting you is that you will never hear it from Miller or Yow.

I really think a Shaka Smart credibility watch is in order.

[Edited on March 25, 2011 at 4:31 PM. Reason : ^]

3/25/2011 4:30:29 PM

Yow said she wanted a coach who had a proven track record of being able to make the NCAA tourney and advance (I'm paraphrasing)

Smart doesn't fit that criteria

3/25/2011 4:31:14 PM

3/25/2011 4:31:24 PM

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"yeah just like our stellar recruiting class this past year yielded great results Williams is arguably the best player in the country, you don't just seamlessly move on without losing a beat when you lose a player like that"

If you think Williams is making Miller look good, then you should be happy we aren't gonna land him at $3+M a year

3/25/2011 4:31:55 PM

MIND GAMES

3/25/2011 4:32:41 PM

I don't know if he's making him look good or not, hence why it will be interesting to see them next year without him

3/25/2011 4:32:49 PM

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"Yow said she wanted a coach who had a proven track record of being able to make the NCAA tourney and advance (I'm paraphrasing)"

I'm staying away from reading into that PC too much. A lot of idiots on packpride have been parroting "5 years HC experience" for instance, when she never actually said that (iirc she said 5 years coaching experience)

3/25/2011 4:33:49 PM

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"Yow said she wanted a coach who had a proven track record of being able to make the NCAA tourney and advance (I'm paraphrasing) Smart doesn't fit that criteria"

Right.

But I was more referring to the fact that we aren't going to get a very desirable target, and because we're NC State we will end up settling....

3/25/2011 4:35:15 PM

The criteria changes the more coaches turn you down.

3/25/2011 4:44:05 PM

Turgeon needs to be hired ASAP.

3/25/2011 4:49:40 PM

Re: Stevens:

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"Stevens' has received a raise after each of his three seasons at Butler and his contract contains a buyout clause estimated in the high six or low seven figures"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Stevens

I don't see it happening

3/25/2011 4:50:00 PM

so when's the meltdown?

3/25/2011 4:50:53 PM

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"I'm staying away from reading into that PC too much. A lot of idiots on packpride have been parroting "5 years HC experience" for instance, when she never actually said that (iirc she said 5 years coaching experience)"

I agree. The guidelines she laid out in the PC were not written in stone. They were just that...guidelines for hiring the ideal coach. If we swing and miss and couple, I'm sure she's willing (and smart enough) to find the next best thing. I trust that if we miss on our first few options (Millers, and whoever else they may be) we'll still wind up with a decent hire. I trust her a lot more than Lee Fowler.

3/25/2011 4:57:11 PM

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"Turgeon needs to be hired ASAP."

No thanks.

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" 2007–2008 Texas A&M 25–11 8–8 6th NCAA Second Round 2008–2009 Texas A&M 24–10 9–7 T–4th NCAA Second Round 2009–2010 Texas A&M 24–10 11–5 T–2nd NCAA Second Round 2010–2011 Texas A&M 24–9 10-6 3rd NCAA Second Round"

Looks like Herb v 2.0. Good but is likely already at his ceiling. I'd rather go with a relative unknown than that.

yeah yeah, beggers can't be choosers and all that. Can I say Fuck Fowler for not hiring Miller six years ago again? I'd like to kick that man in the nuts right now.



[Edited on March 25, 2011 at 5:06 PM. Reason : d]

3/25/2011 4:57:33 PM

Hindsight 20/20 etc etc. But yea, fuck fowler.

3/25/2011 5:03:25 PM

Would have been nice to avoid a bunch of public rejections this time around...

3/25/2011 5:05:23 PM

bullshit that was hindsight. Miller was a good coach at xavier even then. Granted, it wouldn't have been a slam dunk hire at that time, but it damn sure would have been more proven than sid lowe... and fowler didn't even interview the guy.

3/25/2011 5:05:33 PM

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"at least he didn't publicly use us for a raise ala calipari."

please substantiate this

3/25/2011 5:05:49 PM

^^^^^I wouldn't have been all that excited about Miller being hired back then. He was a Herb disciple and we wanted to get as far away from that as possible. Clearly, we should have made the move back then...but at the time I thought (and so did a lot of people) that it was best not to hire a Herb asst.

[Edited on March 25, 2011 at 5:06 PM. Reason : more arrows]

3/25/2011 5:06:05 PM

^ exactly

3/25/2011 5:07:13 PM

I still have hope that Archie will convince him to come here

3/25/2011 5:07:45 PM

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"please substantiate this"

well, 1) there wasn't much public about our interest or his rejection of us, so if he did use us for a raise then he did so quietly. 2) He has already turned us down, but its unlikely (just a guess) that he has begun any negotiations with the Arizona AD yet.

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"I wouldn't have been all that excited about Miller being hired back then. He was a Herb disciple and we wanted to get as far away from that as possible. Clearly, we should have made the move back then...but at the time I thought (and so did a lot of people) that it was best not to hire a Herb asst."

Noone is saying it would have been a slam dunk no risk hire like he would be now. But he damn sure was less risk than Lowe. I mean, we were in serious negotiations with Beilein at the time who runs basically the same offense as Herb so obviously we weren't THAT concerned with completely avoiding anything Herb.

[Edited on March 25, 2011 at 5:12 PM. Reason : d]

3/25/2011 5:08:50 PM

guys

aint nobody talking to nobody while theres games to be coached

3/25/2011 5:10:07 PM

^^I think, at that time, it was best to avoid Miller. That didn't mean we should have gone after Lowe or Beilein (who I and most people I knew were against), but I cannot blame Fowler for not going after Sean Miller at that time. Was it mistake? Absolutely...I wish we could go back in time and make that hire. The program would be in much better shape if it had been in Sean Miller's hands for the last 5 years. I would have been against Miller being hired 5 years ago...clearly I would have come around if his results at AZ are any indication of what he would have done here...but given the circumstances I do not blame Lee Fowler at all for not going after Sean Miller.

3/25/2011 5:38:23 PM

Are there any reasonably available coaches out there worth $3mill?

3/25/2011 5:50:12 PM

No

3/25/2011 5:52:34 PM

The only person that will be offered anything close to $3m is Miller.

3/25/2011 5:52:44 PM

I am kind of afraid that now that the other coaches know how much we have to throw around they'll all hold out until we offer at least $2m+ in desperation, this will probably happen around mid-May

3/25/2011 5:54:34 PM

turgeon is not my next candidate...i think he's boring as hell...sendek personality 2.0

3/25/2011 5:55:00 PM

I think that as a college bball fan, I am happy at what Miller is able to do at Zona so that their tradition does not just fall off.

Dont care so much that we did not nab him

3/25/2011 6:01:01 PM

Turn coat

3/25/2011 6:05:23 PM

N&O trollin yall hard

3/25/2011 6:07:19 PM

i could give two shits about a coach's personality

3/25/2011 6:07:23 PM

i find it hilarious how concerned people on the internet are about how much we pay a guy. like it's coming right out of your pocket.

3/25/2011 6:34:58 PM

my personal thoughts are... i heard it from this person who heard it from... ok.... you can shut the eff up now...
Honestly IF miller was thinking about leaving HE HAS TO DISPATCH ALL ALLEGATIONS OTHERWISE HIS TEAM WILL QUIT ON HIM IN THE TOURNAMENT HE IS STILL IN!!!!

3/25/2011 6:39:17 PM

i'm still going to blame fowler for not hiring miller. its really easy to do and it makes me feel better about things.

3/25/2011 6:41:59 PM

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"i could give two shits about a coach's personality"

and Fowler would've been crucified by our fans for hiring a Herb assistant

[Edited on March 25, 2011 at 7:10 PM. Reason : ]

3/25/2011 6:53:33 PM

NIT! NIT! NIT!

3/25/2011 7:19:29 PM

^^that comment was more about guys like turgeon.

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"i'm still going to blame fowler for not hiring miller. its really easy to do and it makes me feel better about things. "

regardless of how angry people were at the time, i'm sure people would have realized that someone being a herb assistant does not automatically mean they run the weave and heave.

also wtb brad stevens for a lot of not my money.

[Edited on March 25, 2011 at 7:24 PM. Reason : ]

3/25/2011 7:21:48 PM

We should have gone after marquettes coach so they would beat the tarholes

3/25/2011 7:44:33 PM

sound logic

3/25/2011 7:48:24 PM

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"i find it hilarious how concerned people on the internet are about how much we pay a guy. like it's coming right out of your pocket."

I'm concerned how much we spend not because I'm paying for it, but because it will have an effect on the athletic department as a whole. Future coach isn't being paid from some account that exists in a vacuum.

3/25/2011 7:54:58 PM

Heard from a $Texas booster @ State that Buzz Williams is suppose to accept the NC State Job at half time.

3/25/2011 7:57:28 PM

the people cursing fowler for not hiring miller years ago are the same ones who would have flipped their shit had fowler hired herb's assistant with just two years of experience...just sayin'


bring on turgeon, I happen to believe the ceiling at state is higher than the ceiling at A & M

3/25/2011 8:33:59 PM

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"I'm concerned how much we spend not because I'm paying for it, but because it will have an effect on the athletic department as a whole. Future coach isn't being paid from some account that exists in a vacuum."

Personally, I don't GIVE A FUCK about the athletic department as a whole.

3/25/2011 8:35:37 PM