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"The main thing you'll notice in this thread is if you own a PS3 and a 360 you realize that there's a lot lacking with the PS3 and it's library. If you just own a PS3, you get real defensive about people saying it's game library sucks."

So people who want to talk about games get defensive when trolls talk about how much the PS3 sucks? Ya think?

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"Yeah, because if you don't own those games, what would you own that's even remotely good and PS3 specific?"

Resistance, Motorstorm, NG: Sigma, Folklore, Warhawk.......what exactly is your definition of remotely good? I love it when people who don't even play the games drop blanket statement like that.

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"Call of Duty 4 on the 360 outsold its PlayStation 3 counterpart by 1.1 million units, and the 360 version of Assassin's Creed outsold the PS3 version by 603,000 units"

3x the userbase = 3x the sales on multiplatform titles? Let me know if that went over your head and you need clarification on basic math. Multiplatform titles sell just fine on the PS3, it's the exclusives that are having trouble selling. The attach rate for the PS3 is ~4 games, and ~7 games for the 360. Perfectly reasonable for a year difference.

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"Uncharted is like Assassins Creed. Its awesome one time through so its not a must have, its a must play via rental."

You're right, Uncharted has no replay value and is therefore not worth purchasing. Neither is Bioshock or Mass Effect.

12/14/2007 2:19:51 PM

i cant tell if the 'Mass Effect has no replay value' is a joke or not

12/14/2007 2:20:57 PM

this whole thread is a joke

12/14/2007 2:22:06 PM

^^Ask Golovko, he's the one making the criteria.

12/14/2007 2:23:09 PM

I can't comment on the replay value of Uncharted. I don't think i'd want to go through it again but then again I haven't beaten it. I've got R/C sitting in a gamefly package for weeks but I've yet to play it so I can't comment either. If I like em to replay, what I usually do is just keep it and pay the rest of the price from Gamefly. I did this with lots of 360 titles including Dead Rising.

But Shrike, i'll respectfully disagree with you on Bioshock (well for one, i beat it twice) and with the new content patch disabling vita chambers, and fixing wide screen, I'll probably beat it three times.

But will flat out disagree with you on Mass Effect, comeon man - don't you have to PLAY it to decide that? I mean you don't know if you'd hate it or love it, not to mention replay it.

12/14/2007 2:26:07 PM

Mass Effect has replay value because its not a linear game. You don't have a set path to follow. Eventually it will lose its replay value once you've gone back through a few times.

Assassins creed however only has 1 way to play the game.

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"Bioshock or Mass Effect."

Bioshock has at least 2 play throughs. Mass Effect has a few. And unless you have nothing better to do but play games. We are talking months of replay value for each.

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 2:29 PM. Reason : .]

12/14/2007 2:26:19 PM

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"Good god, that's awful numbers, I have to admit. I noticed I can't find a 360 Rock Band anywhere in 5 stores I looked at - and each one had troves of PS3 boxes of it. This hearkens back to my point earlier in the thread - there are a surprising amount of people that own both consoles, yet 360 draws the multi console purchase for the reasons I cited. This is why I think Sony needs to get off their ass and 1) fix PSN 2) quality control 3rd party devs like EA that release shod ports and 3) add something extra. Maybe not achievements but come up with a perk to rise a lateral release's value. They can't survive on this software sales or attachment rate that is putrid. Just my take on it, someone else I'm sure probably has a more informed take - go for it."

Until they fix the Guitar Hero/Rock Band issue for the PS3 multi-console owners (myself included) should buy Rock Band on the 360 so four players can play. I was close to buying it on the PS3 in case I decided to download a lot of songs, but decided against it.

As for the "add something extra", Home will take care of this. I'm not sure if I'll care for it, but it will at least give something resembling achievement points to the PS3.

12/14/2007 2:36:37 PM

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"3x the userbase = 3x the sales on multiplatform titles? Let me know if that went over your head and you need clarification on basic math. Multiplatform titles sell just fine on the PS3, it's the exclusives that are having trouble selling. The attach rate for the PS3 is ~4 games, and ~7 games for the 360. Perfectly reasonable for a year difference."

http://www.venganza.org/images/spreadword/pchart1.jpg

Quotes like this make you seem a tad bit basic, iskander.

[Edited on December 16, 2007 at 1:36 PM. Reason : durrr]

12/14/2007 2:42:01 PM

^^^^All those games have replay value and are worth buying. Which was my point to begin with. Uncharted is as much a must buy as any game that's come out this year. But its on the PSlol3 so it must suck according to Golovko.

^I'm sure you have something other than an unverifiable assertion to refute my claim.

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 2:58 PM. Reason : :]

12/14/2007 2:42:04 PM

^you really suck at reading. Where did I say uncharted sucks? OR that ps3 games automatically suck?

12/14/2007 2:48:01 PM

^ You stated that they are not worth purchasing, in comparison to similar 360 games which obviously are.

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"But Shrike, i'll respectfully disagree with you on Bioshock (well for one, i beat it twice) and with the new content patch disabling vita chambers, and fixing wide screen, I'll probably beat it three times."

Haha, maybe all the games should come out of the box GIMPED like that to increase replayability. This is such a fucking joke you guys. To state that one game has more replayability over another when they have relatively the same amount of gaming hours to completion. STUPID. Its all opinion. What the fuck is wrong with you guys?

And seriously, when it comes to replay, why not an online game? How about you trash Warhawk somehow? I have played that game more than any other title, its unlike any other game out ON A CONSOLE, and cost $40 to boot. I this title also "not worth dick?" For what reason?

Motorstorm is totally rad, they continue to update it, tons of single player hours, and the online gameplay is bad ass. Tell me why this game also "Is not worth dick."

Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted all "aren't worth dick" because there is no replayability. Tell me OBJECTIVELY how Bioshock warrants more times around/ because you can play it by choosing whether to consume to little girls? Wow, totally different game depending on how you do it? Give me a fucking break. In my opinion, the game is totally awesome, but I don;t think it is better or worse than HS, R&C, or Uncharted really. They are all 3 totally different games.

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 2:53 PM. Reason : .]

12/14/2007 2:51:49 PM

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"Haha, maybe all the games should come out of the box GIMPED like that to increase replayability. This is such a fucking joke you guys. To state that one game has more replayability over another when they have relatively the same amount of gaming hours to completion. STUPID. Its all opinion. What the fuck is wrong with you guys?"

as far as Bioshock goes, you have to play the game twice to see both endings.

and a game has replay value when its something more than a linear story line. Obviously online games don't suffer from this problem.

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" Uncharted"

so if you play Uncharted a 2nd time through, what changes?

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"^ You stated that they are not worth purchasing, in comparison to similar 360 games which obviously are."

wrong. I stated games like Assassins Creed and Uncharted aren't worth buying because once you played through it once you are done. They are both badass games but are worth a rental. FYI I have Assassins Creed on the 360 which is how I came up with this conclusion about THAT game. I'm not talking out of my ass as you would like to believe.

If you are referring to Mass Effect, you can play that game several times through and follow different paths. That means its got replay value. duh.

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 2:55 PM. Reason : .]

12/14/2007 2:53:25 PM

^ Or I could try Youtube, but I'm just arguing now because that seems the thing to do in this fucking mess.

^ You can play as different characters and get to watch a different person's ass during the game play.

^ mass Effect is a totally different game, no arguing there. But you did mention Bioshock and Halo 3, and I don't see why they are more worth the purchase that Uncharted and Resistance, respectively.

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 2:58 PM. Reason : .]

12/14/2007 2:55:10 PM

wrong. the thing you are doing now is acting like a 2 year old because you have no argument. You have no solid ground to stand on and prove us wrong so you resort to childish tactics.

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"^ You can play as different characters and get to watch a different person's ass during the game play."

correct. in addition you can play as a different 'class'. Make different in-game choices. Be a total prick or be the savior of the universe. so when you factor in all that with different characters my initial assessment of replay value of only a few times has been increased. thanks

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 2:58 PM. Reason : asdf]

12/14/2007 2:56:46 PM

difficulty, placement of enemies. You can play through the game in tons of different modes, including a mirror mode, wireframe mode bla bla.

I'd say that's more incentive to replay it than getting a different CGI movie at the end of the game.


and

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"You have no solid ground to stand on and prove us wrong so you resort to childish tactics."

I'd say SOMEONE is projecting.

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 2:58 PM. Reason : d]

12/14/2007 2:57:36 PM

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"you really suck at reading. Where did I say uncharted sucks? OR that ps3 games automatically suck?"

When you've never played a game, yet conclude that it isn't worth while, what am I supposed to think?

12/14/2007 2:57:36 PM

^^^ Obviously you're not getting my sarcasm here.

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 2:59 PM. Reason : .]

12/14/2007 2:58:55 PM

^^I have played uncharted, thanks.

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"difficulty, placement of enemies. You can play through the game in tons of different modes, including a mirror mode, wireframe mode bla bla. I'd say that's more incentive to replay it than getting a different CGI movie at the end of the game."

lol thats so wrong on so many levels. You don't just get a different CGI movie. You get different choices in-game. A different story line. Different options that were not available to you the first time through etc etc etc.

Your idea of replay value is:

Ok, I played this on easy so I know there will be a guy hiding behind that column. But its so awesome cause it will take 4 bullets to kill him instead of 1!!! yay for a whole new game!!!

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 3:00 PM. Reason : .]

12/14/2007 2:59:47 PM

I think he's talking about Bioshock and not Mass Effect. You don't get a new game when you choose not to consume the little girls.

12/14/2007 3:00:42 PM

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"as far as Bioshock goes, you have to play the game twice to see both endings."

and that's your idea of replay value?

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 3:02 PM. Reason : d]

12/14/2007 3:01:28 PM

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"^ mass Effect is a totally different game, no arguing there. But you did mention Bioshock and Halo 3, and I don't see why they are more worth the purchase that Uncharted and Resistance, respectively."

Halo 3 story is the same. No one is talking about replay value on single player Halo 3. unless you are an achievement whore that wants the achievements for legendary etc.

Halo 3 multiplayer is a different story. Although its fun to play single player on co-op at least once even if you beat the game already alone.

Bioshock you are the same character regardless. You just get two different choices in game. Save the little sisters or harvest them. So as I said earlier thats two play throughs.

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"and that's your idea of replay value?"

If i play a game once and have to play it a second time to see the alternate ending...what word in the english language would I use to describe that?

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 3:04 PM. Reason : .]

12/14/2007 3:03:24 PM

^ your argument is totally SUBJECTIVE and by no way represents FACT, as you say you are only stating. That is why I think you are full of shit.

12/14/2007 3:05:54 PM

So Uncharted doesn't have replay value even though it has different modes you can replay through the game with that actually affect your experience

But Bioshock does, because you can play the exact same game twice and get a different CGI movie at the end?

OK, just making sure.

12/14/2007 3:07:34 PM

^ You're incorrect as well. Whether or not you consume the little girls does change the experience. The argument here is that it is no better or worse in terms of replayability than Uncharted.

Trying to bring objective reasoning into this, but would rather just have a normal thread that talks about PS3 and PS3 games, recommendations, opinions, etc. and not system wars bullshit. There is another thread for that:

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=490610


[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 3:13 PM. Reason : .]

12/14/2007 3:09:54 PM

I haven't played BioShock, so I'm just going by what he stated as his reason why BioShock is so replayable.

^standby for the obligatory "But thare aren't any gamez on PS3 to discuss. Sony sucks, you're all fanbois." comment by Golovko.

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 3:14 PM. Reason : d]

12/14/2007 3:12:59 PM

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"^ your argument is totally SUBJECTIVE and by no way represents FACT, as you say you are only stating. That is why I think you are full of shit."

Because I own both consoles I want the PS3 to fail so that I would have flushed $400 down the toilet. You sir are an idiot. the 3 or 4 of you in here that disagree happen to be the ones who own ONLY a ps3 and think its God's gift to man. Of course you think I'm full of shit and vis versa.

So since someone brought up "SUBJECTIVE" I think you should re-think the meaning of that word and who it really describes

12/14/2007 3:16:20 PM

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"When you've never played a game, yet conclude that it isn't worth while, what am I supposed to think?"

That he's just like everyone in this thread who wound up not picking up Lair?

12/14/2007 3:31:01 PM

^^ When did I ever say that you want the system to fail? I am simply saying that the things that you earlier said were "FACTS" are actually opinions, which would make the argument subjective. So not sure where you get off calling me an idiot.

And fuck you for telling me to rethink the word subjective. I have time and time again defended BOTH systems, and even recommended the 360 on occasion to a few that have asked for their opinions on which system to get with descriptions of what they want to do with the console. I have said time and time again how I think both systems are great and both have their advantages. If you are going to throw down in here, at least know the fucking facts.

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 3:42 PM. Reason : .]

12/14/2007 3:37:54 PM

Ah yes, the ole' Lair = Uncharted = Heavenly Sword = Warhawk argument. All PS3 exclusives are created equal amirite? I was wondering when that would creep up again......

But seriously, if you don't like the games, don't buy them. There are plenty of quality PS3 games across various genres, and if you can't find one you like, then stick to whatever you were playing before.

There are no bigger critics of the PS3 than those of us who've owned one (exclusively) since the summer and before. The difference is, our criticism is constructive and we actually discuss the games and features, and what we'd like to see change. If you don't want to do that, and just want to post bullshit like "there are no worthwhile PS3 titles" and "the PSN sucks", then you can continue expecting the same garbage that's flooded the past 3 pages.

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 3:52 PM. Reason : :]

12/14/2007 3:38:36 PM

i like how some of you act like there anything worth picking up on the 360 other than Gears, Mass Effect, Bioshock, and Dead Rising

and two of those have better PC versions

12/14/2007 3:47:09 PM

what does that even mean? Why even bring that into this conversation? Hasn't this thread had enough bullshit? If you want to do console wars, go to this thread please:

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=490610

12/14/2007 3:49:36 PM

Call of Duty 4 is on sale for $40 at Amazon. I am of course talking about the verison for the PS3 as I am in a PS3 thread. However, for those that only have Xboxes and happen to be in this thread for one reason or another, it is also on sale for the same amount.

http://tinyurl.com/26zytl

Perhaps if you have both consoles and would like to decide which console this game is better on, please refer to the "Console Wars" thread:

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=490610

[Edited on December 16, 2007 at 1:37 PM. Reason : tiny]

12/14/2007 3:55:25 PM

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[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 4:00 PM. Reason : .]

12/14/2007 4:00:37 PM

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"Ah yes, the ole' Lair = Uncharted = Heavenly Sword = Warhawk argument. All PS3 exclusives are created equal amirite? I was wondering when that would creep up again......"

I was more making reference to, outside of FanatiK, none of you even played Lair and yet all concluded that it wasn't worthwhile.

12/14/2007 4:28:39 PM

My god that game makes me shudder just thinking about it.

12/14/2007 4:32:10 PM

Is this a battle of the Platforms thread? Pointless.

So whats the deal with Rock Band on the PS3? We played with 4 players last night and had no issues at all (except for the drums being hard as hell). Retarded fun party game.

12/14/2007 6:16:23 PM

ut3 anyone?

12/15/2007 6:06:53 PM

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/12/15/extended-trailers-for-final-fantasy-xiii-and-xiii-versus-on-japa/

Trailers for FFXIII and FFXIII Versus. Pretty badass.

12/16/2007 1:19:00 PM

i now have a ps3

thanks for all the advice earlier. gt5/gt hd please come quick.

12/16/2007 1:36:18 PM

MLB 08 The Show Screens...

12/16/2007 6:10:55 PM

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Great shadows!

[Edited on December 16, 2007 at 8:33 PM. Reason : .]

12/16/2007 8:32:48 PM

Will this do for hooking up the PS3 to a HDTV?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024004&p_id=2412&seq=1&format=2

12/16/2007 8:53:38 PM

Also, what racing game do you'll recommend I get? I've read good things about DiRT.

12/16/2007 8:54:26 PM

for racing? motorstorm

12/16/2007 11:36:15 PM

hands down dirt until gt5

12/17/2007 12:17:11 AM

^^^^ Yes. I got a cheap one like that, works fine.

I think Motorstorm is a whole lot better than dirt. Plus the online multiplayer in Motorstorm is fantastic. I really don't think anyone could suggest Dirt over Motorstorm.

[Edited on December 17, 2007 at 9:22 AM. Reason : .]

12/17/2007 9:21:10 AM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8972574&postcount=1

Profile 1.1, Divx, and WMV-HD support tommorow. No word on DTS-HD MA.

12/17/2007 9:35:59 AM

^SWEEEEEEEET!

^^well if Dirt is different on the PS3 then on Xbox360 I could agree but I doubt it is. I've played motorstorm and it was no where near as fun as Dirt. IMO

12/17/2007 10:05:19 AM

You should try Motorstorm. If you like it, you'll probably get more replay out of it than DirT. I personally think DirT is more fun (not by much). The Burnout Paradise demo is a lotta fun, I'll def. be picking that up in January.


My gf gave me Rock Band this weekend as an early Christmas present. Man, that game is RIDICULOUS. awesome. Good times.

12/17/2007 10:22:43 AM

I've played DiRT and it is a fantastic game. Its the only racing game I've played longer than an hour (not a racing game fan). Sadly I must admit to only renting it because I had the free slot on game fly and it was during a serious gaming draught a month earlier this summer.

But I put 5 hours into it and 300 some odd achievements. So I mean - I liked it alot, the graphics were good and action was spectacular. Not sure about the ps3 port, I heard it had a couple of problems but still - I recommend.

[Edited on December 17, 2007 at 12:22 PM. Reason : sdf]

12/17/2007 12:21:43 PM