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11/30/2011 4:08:15 PM

Lies, damn lies, and statistics, eh? Ok, I love playing this game.

Alabama's 11 D-1 opponents had an average offensive ranking of 92
Oklahoma State's 12 D-1 opponents (no 1-AA's here) had an average offensive ranking of 39

Oklahoma State will have faced 3 of the top 10 offenses in the country
Alabama - none

Oklahoma State will have faced 7 of the Top 25 offenses
Alabama - none

The "atrocious" Iowa State had a higher offensive output than every single team on Bama's schedule that wasn't named Arkansas.

Look, Bama has a solid defense, to be sure. But how much of that #1 ranking is also a result of facing some terribly inept offenses? There are 120 teams in 1-A. HALF of Bama's schedule was against teams ranked in the bottom 20 in total offense (Kent State #120, North Texas #103, Florida #101, Ole Miss #115, Tennessee #102, Auburn #104). I realize it's chicken and egg, but facing inept offenses has to help inflate their overall defense just as facing really good offenses has to hurt Okie State's.

11/30/2011 4:09:15 PM

Wow, a post without roll eyes. Color me surprised.

If Paul Johnson was coaching Bama, would you put them in the national championship?

11/30/2011 4:11:22 PM

they should just do away with the championship game all together and have the debate teams from the top BCS schools duke it out to decide the national champion.

11/30/2011 4:14:32 PM

aaaaaaand that's how I know when you've got nothing

what's next buddy? i am rubber, you are glue?

oh, and before someone comes through with the argument that SEC offenses are bad because the defenses are so good, every good OOC opponent put up more yards and points on LSU and Bama than their in-conference average, including Georgia Southern (even Western Kentucky came in a hair over vs. LSU)

[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 4:37 PM. Reason : .]

11/30/2011 4:15:19 PM

Really wish ddd would just shut up

11/30/2011 4:17:27 PM

like the BCS going away, aint gonna happen

[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 4:32 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 4:33 PM. Reason : ive been had, \/ you too \/\/]

11/30/2011 4:25:08 PM

^^?

11/30/2011 4:28:09 PM

hahaha - ghost edit like 5 mins after the original post. ya got me

[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 4:35 PM. Reason : .]

11/30/2011 4:30:59 PM

flawless victory

11/30/2011 4:33:00 PM

wait, what's going on in here? am i being accused of having an alias? cause i don't.

[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 4:49 PM. Reason : i've never played lacrosse in my life, and i'd never have a cross tattoo on my shoulder ]

11/30/2011 4:34:50 PM

gotta wonder if the other conference commishes will be happy with a non-conf champ getting the tile shot under the current BCS structure. i would think it would be a good exhibit for those who were pushing a +1 at a minimum.

[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 4:40 PM. Reason : .]

11/30/2011 4:36:49 PM

toLowerCase()

nice touch.

11/30/2011 4:45:12 PM

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"aaaaaaand that's how I know when you've got nothing"

What do you mean got nothing? You're the one being irrational here and scoffing at the notion that Alabama should be in the title game. My argument was made for me by the BCS standings and all media/fans that agree those are the best two teams in the nation.

I haven't heard anyone but yourself even waste a second talking about it because the large majority agree that they don't deserve to be there.

11/30/2011 5:43:47 PM

^^ Yeah, the lowercase got me for just a second.

11/30/2011 5:46:08 PM

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-ucla-bowleligibility

What's the NCAA saying here, that conference championship games don't count against a team's bowl eligibility record?

/Feels like a college-level participation trophy

11/30/2011 6:28:59 PM

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" Really wish brass monkey would just shut up"

How did I get dragged into this?

11/30/2011 6:55:30 PM

Wow, he must think you're a jerk...

11/30/2011 6:58:12 PM

Bama or LSU would destroy Oklahoma State. Every year people do the same argument, then the SEC beats ass in the Championship game and shuts everyone up until they forgot the following year.

I think they should make a rule where you have to win your conference to be considered for the National Champ. game. But that rule isnt in place this year, so therefore it should simply be Alabama and LSU again as much as I hate a rematch.

And the argument about Alabama and LSU not playing anyone is laughable. The reason so many of those teams are "shitty" on offense statistically is because they have had to play Bama and LSU. It would be like if in Week One Alabama beat a team 24-0 and then you say "but Bama isnt that good! look! their only win is against an 0-1 team that has a shitty offense!"

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"oh, and before someone comes through with the argument that SEC offenses are bad because the defenses are so good, every good OOC opponent put up more yards and points on LSU and Bama than their in-conference average, including Georgia Southern (even Western Kentucky came in a hair over vs. LSU)"

yeah, good teams NEVER overlook shit teams ever... never ever happens, 18-21 year olds who have been told they are the big shit at campus/school their whole lives have the mental strength and focus of Navy Seals.

[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 7:44 PM. Reason : d]

11/30/2011 7:42:25 PM

I'll stop talking after this Slave Famous..........


heard on the radio that OSU beat something like 5 teams w/ winning ending season records (6 if they beat OU) and Alabama only beat 3...just saying

[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 10:43 PM. Reason : sdf]

11/30/2011 10:40:59 PM

so PSU, Oregon, and WVU are all shit teams that LSU and Bama overlooked? sure

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"The reason so many of those teams are "shitty" on offense statistically is because they have had to play Bama and LSU."

let's just look at the 4 SEC teams I listed up there: Florida, Kentucky, Ole Miss, and Tennessee

kentucky. if you exclude their game against LSU, they would average 269 ypg. that would move them up from 118th in offense all the way to.....118th; no gain.

Ole Miss is 115th in total offense at 281.25 ypg. take out the LSU and Bama games and they would average 303 yards per game, capatulting them a whopping 3 spots to 112th.

Auburn makes a significant jump from 328.17 ypg to 355 ypg. that takes them from 104th to 88th - a gain of 16 spots...right behind Miss St and in fromt of Western Kentucky.

tennessee is 102nd in the country in offense. they averaged 332 and gain 27 yards per game on their average without LSU and Bama, taking them up to 86th - a gain of 16 spots - right between the B1G powerhouses of Indiana and Illinois.

finally, florida, who averaged 344.17 this year would move up to 369.5 w/o bama and lsu. they were 101st. they would be 81st - a gain of 20 spots. behind Florida International and ahead of Duke.

in short, bad SEC offenses are bad, whether they play Bama and LSU or not - at best the really awful just become awful. unless you think being in the 80-90 riange is significantly better than being in the 100-110 range

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"I haven't heard anyone but yourself even waste a second talking about it because the large majority agree that they don't deserve to be there."

you must only look to ESPN, because both SI and CBS have had articles about Okie State's resume vs. Bama's in the last week or so

[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 11:19 PM. Reason : .]

11/30/2011 10:53:19 PM

I am just glad I have been on the winning side of this argument for 5 years in a row



and yards gained are meaningless, give me points, that's whats important... Like the LSU/WV game. If you just look at yardage you would think WVU dominated their defense, but if you actually watched it, the game was never in doubt. LSU dominated.hell, even thats not important, winning is... you can look at stats all day long, if you actually watch the games and dont think Alabama and LSU are the two best teams you are a fool. Go have your Hawaii vs. Houston National Championship game.


LSU has more future NFL players in their secondary than most team have on their entire starting 22

[Edited on December 1, 2011 at 12:05 AM. Reason : s]

11/30/2011 11:49:22 PM

lol - ok, I'll be happy to give you points

Kentucky:
with LSU: 117th @15.83
without: 112th @ 18.296

Ole Miss:
with LSU and Bama: 116th @ 16.08
without: 112th@ 18.296 (yup, tied with Kentucky)

Florida:
with LSU and Bama: 71st @ 25.58
without: 56th @ 28.596

Tennessee
with LSU and Bama: 107th @ 20.33
without: 90th @ 23.096

yup, still awful. but hey man, Florida does break into the top half of D-1 and your boys are out of the triple digits

WVU, Oregon, Penn State, and Georgia Southern all scored more against LSU and Bama than their season averages (WKU was a point and a half shy)

so what's important now? edit: lol I see you've already changed it to wins...or is it now future NFL players...you wanna pick something else?

all I'm doing is making the argument for Okie State should they win bedlam this year.

[Edited on December 1, 2011 at 12:12 AM. Reason : .]

12/1/2011 12:09:00 AM

already told you before you posted... as in 12:05 vs. 12:09, not after you posted yours, so you implying that I changed it based on your precious data is wrong.


every year, same argument, then the SEC dominates, and the anti-SEC jealousy continues... waaa waaa waaa.





[Edited on December 1, 2011 at 12:23 AM. Reason : d]

12/1/2011 12:09:33 AM

and every year you ride the conference coattails because your team is a joke

12/1/2011 12:14:24 AM

lol

wow you are reaching, I was simply stating that they are clearly the two best teams... and if consider the second most all time victories and 6 national championships in the best conference in the country a joke then I guess only one team isnt a joke, awesome!

12/1/2011 12:21:35 AM

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"I was simply stating that they are clearly the two best teams..."

same

12/1/2011 5:46:22 AM

lol - no, you're right - tennessee totally isn't a joke because they won a national championship 13 years ago. that title in 1998 totally overrides the fact that they have a losing record over the last 4 years and just had a terrible kentucky end a 26 year losing streak. i guess notre dame hasn't been a joke for the last half decade, either. the richrod years at michigan? not a joke!

so where is the cutoff for relevance? because the last 20 or so years of NC State basketball have been awful. but that 1983 title is not even three decades old and is much, much more recent than 5 of the 6 titles that you say makes UT totally not a joke. does that make the sid years not a joke?

and don't give me that timestamp bullshit - you know damn well it took more than 4 mins to run the data that you thought would prove you right. and you also know that your original post was simply the bit about the last 5 years and your request to "give me the points, that's what's important" as a way to dismiss the yardage stats

[Edited on December 1, 2011 at 9:36 AM. Reason : ..]

12/1/2011 9:19:33 AM

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"and if consider the second most all time victories and 6 national championships in the best conference in the country a joke then I guess only one team isnt a joke, awesome!"

2nd most all time victories?? among SEC teams, sure, but not nationally.

12/1/2011 9:49:51 AM

Navy isn't a joke. Roger Staubach played there. (and TOB)

12/1/2011 9:54:34 AM

clearly - they also win in winston salem

12/1/2011 10:07:13 AM

^^^ - correct

I'm just glad I am always right about this argument.

^ - all about the wording son. If you asked "does Notre Dame suck now?" I would say yes. Same for Tennessee. If you asked does the program suck, which by definition takes into account ALL it's history, then no, of course not. It's just like how Alabama sucked ass and was totally irrelevant for almost a decade before Saban, so they sucked then and are good now. Tennessee beat them something like 9 out of 10 years, if you were so narrowsighted then as you are now then i guess you would have thought "Bama is shit compared to Tennessee!" But overall it's still up there with ND for the greatest program ever. Sorry that you are so slow and dimwitted that you have to think in absolutes and can't comprehend the ebbs and flows that are part of college football. Mid 90s to early 2000s USC vs them under Carroll. Ohio State right before Tressell. LSU in the 80s and early 90s. Gary Dinardo anyone?

And I love how this whole argument was about Bama/LSU being 1/2 and when he lost that he switched over to UT sucks haha. Good old trolling goalielaxative.

[Edited on December 1, 2011 at 12:19 PM. Reason : D]

12/1/2011 12:16:38 PM

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"Navy isn't a joke. Roger Staubach played there. (and TOB)"

haha



as far as this argument goes, if you put a gun to my head to pick the two best teams, I'd probably pick Bama and LSU but I don't think the issue is as "clear" as some people want to say. There's an obvious case for OKSt and goalielax has proven it's backed up by statistics and not just a gut feeling.

I think LSU/Alabama is a stupid championship game anyways because we've already seen who is better of the two. I'd like to see if another team can beat them, even if they aren't technically the second best team in the country at the moment.

12/1/2011 12:26:03 PM

clearly I was talking about the all time performance of tennessee when I was responding directly to your comments about the last 5 years

I love how you continually change tacks each and every time I address what you bring up to the point where you are now, for some reason, talking about Gary Dinardo.

we're in the present here jibbles. and in the present, the SEC has a ton of shitty offenses, Tennessee is a joke, and a clear argument for Okie State over bama can be made assuming Okie State wins Bedlam.

[Edited on December 1, 2011 at 12:28 PM. Reason : .]

12/1/2011 12:26:55 PM

^^ I totally agree with your last statement.

^ no, the way it happened was you made the retarded leap of logic that the only reason I thought LSU and Bama were the two best teams was because Tennessee has been down the last few years, which makes no sense. Some of us are able to look at things objectively, even without a visor



[Edited on December 1, 2011 at 12:32 PM. Reason : D]

12/1/2011 12:27:12 PM

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"I think LSU/Alabama is a stupid championship game anyways because we've already seen who is better of the two. I'd like to see if another team can beat them, even if they aren't technically the second best team in the country at the moment. "

since LSU already beat the 2nd best, they should go play a NFL team to see how good they really are and be crowned BCS champs!

/troll

12/1/2011 12:31:51 PM

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"no, the way it happened was you made the retarded leap of logic that the only reason I thought LSU and Bama were the two best teams was because Tennessee has been down the last few years"

where did I ever say that? do you even know what riding the coattails of something means?

you're one of "those" fans of a shitty SEC school who constantly pounds his chest about ESS EEE SEE teams other than his own, as if simply being a doormat in the conference makes you a part of the success of a few teams in the conference. THAT's riding coattails, and you're the foot fucking master of it around these parts

[Edited on December 1, 2011 at 12:42 PM. Reason : .]

12/1/2011 12:35:30 PM

I thought we already discussed the definition of a shitty program. Damn you are slow. Once again, sorry you have to view things as black and white and don't understand the nuances. OMG Florida is down this year from previous years therefore they are a doormat! Tenn went to the SEC Champ game 4 years ago but not since, they are forever a doormat now!!! Only two teams can go to the SEC championship, the rest are doormats! Read your dribble man, it's retarded. You are trying to make it sound like UT is equal to Vandy (in terms of overall program, not just this particular down cycle that happens to ALL programs)

Anyways, I have to run to a meeting. Carry on and I will win this argument for the 6th year in a row and you will be wrong for the 6th year in a row. This gets boring. Someone bring back Phisnlou, at least his arguments werent repetitive when he was continuously wrong.

12/1/2011 12:46:08 PM

the SEC cship game was 5 years ago jibbles. since then you've fired a legend, gotten punked by kiffins, and hired a shitty coach who's crowning achievement is losing to UNC in a bowl game. tennessee is, at present, a doormat and a joke. deal.

nothing you have said has proven me wrong in my assertions that 1) Okie State has a legitimate claim to the title game if they win bedlam and 2a) the SEC has a ton of shit offenses this year that 2b) aren't just a result of them having to play bama and lsu. nor will a lsu vs. bama title game prove me wrong. no where have I said that LSU and bama aren't top teams. I know you WANT me to have said those things, and you address each post as if I have, but I haven't.

it's your irrational approach to this and desire to ignore anything other than gut feeling and past year's performances (and some personal hangup) that prevents you from understanding that these are the points I'm making in this discussion.

[Edited on December 1, 2011 at 1:04 PM. Reason : .]

12/1/2011 12:53:11 PM

Naaaa nice try though, but they aren't Vandy. But I have to run laxative fan.

And 2007 to 2011 equals 4 years.

12/1/2011 1:04:15 PM

never said they are vandy

vandy can go to a bowl game this year

i mean I know you beat Vandy in OT, but clearly head-to-head matchups don't matter

[Edited on December 1, 2011 at 1:12 PM. Reason : .]

12/1/2011 1:05:31 PM

BOOMER

12/1/2011 1:12:56 PM

12/1/2011 1:16:45 PM

In all fairness, Bray's injury was as crippling to UT as any injury was to a particular team in the country.

12/1/2011 1:17:14 PM

SOONER

12/1/2011 1:17:41 PM

giving the response to your own call is almost as lame as giving yourself a nickname

12/1/2011 1:37:09 PM

BOOMER

[Edited on December 1, 2011 at 1:58 PM. Reason : SOONER]

12/1/2011 1:56:02 PM

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"“Coach Spurrier has been there for seven years, but after five years he only had 35 wins and got a new contract and all that kind of stuff. After five years at Clemson, if I have only 35 wins they will be looking for a new coach and they should be. There is a different standard here. He is actually right – they ain’t Alabama, they ain’t LSU and they certainly are not Clemson. That is why Carolina is in Chapel Hill, USC is in California and the University of South Carolina always has been and always will be in Clemson. You can print that. Tweet that.” "

http://www.tigernet.com/view/story.do?id=10193

12/1/2011 8:11:12 PM

if only he had been talking into a mic he was holding........


wow

12/1/2011 9:48:52 PM

TOB needs to step his game up. that is some major league ownage right there.

12/1/2011 10:08:59 PM