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"You are visiting a friend in the nicest neighborhood in Raleigh. Million dollar houses all around. Gated community, you gotta show ID to get in, etc. You go for a walk at night....a car comes up behind you going slow. This is not the same as if you are in crack central in the hood and a car rolls up behind you following you. "

If you are in a million dollar neighborhood with a security guard, that is different.

I'm not sure what that extreme scenario has to do the 99.99% of the time people aren't walking around in million dollar neighborhoods with security guards.

I encourage you to walk around at night sometime. It's human nature to be a little more on edge in this situation.

4/13/2012 12:20:22 AM

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"Most black people "

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"Most black people "

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"Most black people "

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"Most black people "

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"Most black people "

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"Most black people "

4/13/2012 12:20:52 AM

nah, tacolu is going to stick with

"If only Martin had complied with Zimmerman, he wouldn't have been shot."

4/13/2012 12:21:02 AM

If I lived in FL I would have my concealed carry & a sidearm, you never know when you might encounter a community watch captain walking down the street.

4/13/2012 12:21:30 AM

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"I encourage you to walk around at night sometime. It's human nature to be a little more on edge in this situation. "

Oh really?

Interesting.

So Zimmerman has the right to be a little more "on edge" to then, since night time is the bad time.

See, it can go both ways.

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 12:22 AM. Reason : .]

4/13/2012 12:21:34 AM

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"And Zimmerman wasn't doing anything wrong "IF" Trayvon attacked him for following him. It can go both ways. "

Well, look.... we were talking about the instant that each was threatened in this scenario. You can't just go skipping ahead in time all willy nilly like....

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 12:24 AM. Reason : s]

4/13/2012 12:21:41 AM

I wonder what weird things tacolu has done in his life that random strangers coming up to him at night have asked him to do.


I bet he lives an interesting life...

4/13/2012 12:21:51 AM

I expect to see tocolu on the news for killing a black guy

4/13/2012 12:23:03 AM

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"So Zimmerman has the right to be a little more "on edge" to then, since night time is the bad time. See, it can go both ways. "

LOL, no, because Zimmerman wasn't walking around, he had a gun, and he just called the cops. If he was scared, he would have done his due diligence at this point.

It should be obvious, but i guess i'll spell it out for you, but people feel WAY safer (and generally are) in cars than walking around.

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 12:23 AM. Reason : ]

4/13/2012 12:23:34 AM

too many words to read in this thread

4/13/2012 12:23:39 AM

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"Well, look.... we were talking about the instant that each was threatened in this scenario. You can't just go skipping ahead in time all willy nilly like.... "

I am totally agreeing with you on this point.

We can all agree that at some point, these two came face to face for whatever reason.

When they did, I think they BOTH might have had the reasonable assumption that they were defending themselves from each other.

So when the shit hits the fan, its not going to end well.

4/13/2012 12:27:45 AM

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" When they did, I think they BOTH might have had the reasonable assumption that they were defending themselves from each other. So when the shit hits the fan, its not going to end well."

This is the most reasonable thing you've said in 40-something pages...

But only 1 of the 2 of them was accurate in their assumption.

And only 1 of them was carrying an item on their person that in most states gives them a legal responsibility to exercise good judgement.

So what happens, all other things being equal, when the person who should be more responsible makes the wrong assessment...?

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 12:31 AM. Reason : ]

4/13/2012 12:30:19 AM

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"It should be obvious, but i guess i'll spell it out for you, but people feel WAY safer (and generally are) in cars than walking around."

SMH

4/13/2012 12:30:41 AM

You missed the point.

4/13/2012 12:31:12 AM

^ it's his MO

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 12:31 AM. Reason : ]

4/13/2012 12:31:38 AM

So, can we all agree that on this page of 56, we all agreed to ignore tacodude?

4/13/2012 12:33:26 AM

I'm slightly impressed he knew the circumstances surrounding tupac's death though.

4/13/2012 12:35:45 AM

haha, ok ok ok

I've been caught. It's my alias

4/13/2012 12:36:47 AM

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"On his first day in jail, Zimmerman ordered nearly $80 worth of goods from the commissary, and the list indicates he may be planning for a prolonged stay. The list included: soap, deodorant, contact lens solution, underwear, socks, two puzzle books, playing cards, a calling card, a cereal bar, Jolly Ranchers, an orange, popcorn, Tostitos, cookies, root beer, and a peanut butter and jelly sandwich."

I'm glad he's enjoying his stay..

4/13/2012 12:53:48 AM

^ you shouldn't feel the need to scrutinize this case on that level. Who gives a rats ass what he did on his first day in jail??

Our media does a good enough job of dramatizing things really without us having to support them.

Keep in mind if things had worked how they're supposed to in the first place, none of us would have ever heard of this case.

4/13/2012 12:56:32 AM

^ true, this case would've been run of the mill.

4/13/2012 12:58:23 AM

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"Keep in mind if things had worked how they're supposed to in the first place, none of us would have ever heard of this case."

That's a very broad and dangerous statement which is one reason this thing has blown up like it has.

4/13/2012 1:00:00 AM

Zimdecision 2012, haha

4/13/2012 1:06:02 AM

You can sit here and say you would react someway, but sitting in the comfort of your own home on the internet, and actually in the situation is totally different.

Just like what I posted about that guy getting shot right outside in the parking lot from my bedroom in FL.

I'd have told anyone before that how I would have reacted in that situation, ran to help the guy etc, but when it happened, I fucking FROZE.

So we can't sit here and say "Oh I'd have just sat in the car and waited on the cops to come" like some of us think Zimmerman should have done.

In the heat of the moment, we do things we might not ever think we would do.

Just because you make the wrong decision, doesn't always mean you are LEGALLY liable.

4/13/2012 1:17:42 AM

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"In the heat of the moment, we do things we might not ever think we would do. Just because you make the wrong decision, doesn't always mean you are LEGALLY liable."

Haha, In the heat of the moment... of watching someone walk down the street.

I've probable seen hundreds of people walk down the street today. I didn't feel the need to follow, fight, then shoot any of them.

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"The results of the study supported Biased Evidence Hypothesis and indicated that participants who saw a photo of a dark- skinned perpetrator judged subsequent evidence as more supportive of a guilty verdict compared to participants who saw a photo of a lighter-skinned perpetrator. "

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1601615

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"Jurors' racist beliefs were only associated with the verdict when the defendant's race was not made salient. This finding suggests that the effects of individual prejudice toward a Black defendant can be reduced by making the defendant's race salient."

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1559-1816.2009.00511.x/abstract?userIsAuthenticated=false&deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 1:22 AM. Reason : ]

4/13/2012 1:21:08 AM

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" Haha, In the heat of the moment... of watching someone walk down the street. I've probable seen hundreds of people walk down the street today. I didn't feel the need to follow, fight, then shoot any of them. "

Yes, because Zimmerman shot Trayvon during heat of the moment of this "nigger" walking down the street in "his" neighborhood.

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 1:25 AM. Reason : .]

4/13/2012 1:24:37 AM

^ you realize that you've brought up Martin's race more than literally anyone else in this thread? But I bet you still blame "liberals" for always playing the race card, right?

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"We find that persons of African and Hispanic descent were stopped more frequently than whites, even after controlling for precinct variability and race-specific estimates of crime participation."

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1198/016214506000001040

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"Does Victim Race Affect Police Clearance of Violent Crime Incidents? Results suggest that the race of the victim, particularly in combination with the race of the offender, is related to police clearance of violent criminal incidents"

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07418820802266462

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 1:29 AM. Reason : ]

4/13/2012 1:26:51 AM

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"^ you realize that you've brought up Martin's race more than literally anyone else in this thread? But I bet you still blame "liberals" for always playing the race card, right?"

Prove it.

Go count it out and get back to us.

4/13/2012 2:05:05 AM

^
http://brentroad.com/message_search.aspx?type=posts§ion=9&searchstring=black&username=tacolu&usertype=match&sortby=date&sortorder=descending&page=

You've got both myself and emce beat by miles.



[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 2:09 AM. Reason : ]

4/13/2012 2:08:18 AM

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"Go count it out and get back to us."

4/13/2012 2:11:23 AM

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"Go count it out and get black to us"

4/13/2012 3:46:58 AM

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"So we can't sit here and say "Oh I'd have just sat in the car and waited on the cops to come" like some of us think Zimmerman should have done. "

I can absolutely say that I would not have gotten out of my car to follow someone. Ab.So.Lutely.

4/13/2012 3:48:34 AM

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"^ you realize that you've brought up Martin's race more than literally anyone else in this thread? But I bet you still blame "liberals" for always playing the race card, right?"

This. Whatever his intentions were coming into this thread has obviously been derailed. Shit he spent half a page railing about blacks and the way they overreact when something bad happens to "one of them" and how glad he is whites don't do that.

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 8:44 AM. Reason : X]

4/13/2012 8:44:14 AM

I am.

When is the last time you saw a bunch of white people rallying or throwing a fit in public like the black community does when something "racial" happens to them?

It gets to be ridiculous after awhile.

4/13/2012 12:09:09 PM

OWS

4/13/2012 12:24:57 PM

^ that's class based but really no different at all when it comes down to it.

And I can say with certainty that I as a white upper middle class male my whole life I can not remember a time when I've felt persecuted. Most black people can't say that, especially in this area.

And, of course, there is the fact that the vast majority of blacks in this country aren't in the streets protesting about anything.

4/13/2012 12:52:31 PM

someone just posted on facebook that trayvon was shot from behind... is this true?

4/13/2012 1:27:39 PM

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"Prosecutors say he fatally shot Martin in the chest during a confrontation on Feb. 26 in a community of townhomes in Sanford, a suburb of Orlando."

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 1:31 PM. Reason : ]

4/13/2012 1:28:37 PM

Nothing that I've seen in the police report would support that claim

4/13/2012 1:29:31 PM

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"someone just posted on facebook that trayvon was shot from behind... is this true?"

And I bet they were black.

The amount if misinformation posted by the black community on Facebook is laughable.

Go to the TrayvonMartinUpdates page.

You'll have a good time there.

4/13/2012 1:32:59 PM

Then goto wral and golo to laugh at all the dumb racist rednecks.

And btw, I absolutely don't care if Zimmerman is proven guilt or acquitted. Whatever the truth is I hope is what comes out. I just find it sad that people on both sides are taking this as an opportunity to show their true colors (in other words ^ this guy railing against the black community as a whole).

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 1:48 PM. Reason : X]

4/13/2012 1:46:35 PM

Because the overwhelmingly vast majority of the black community tries to make a racial issue over just regular shit happening to them.

Like the thread I made about Tyler Perry claiming he was racially profiled because he was pulled over by two white cops for making an ILLEGAL turn.

http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=625924

4/13/2012 1:51:48 PM

How in the hell are you able to speak on what the vast majority of the black community does, thinks, or says?

4/13/2012 1:54:39 PM

It's simply not true that the "vast majority" if the community does that. The outspoken minority does. The "vast majority" work hard to provide for themselves and their family.

4/13/2012 1:55:28 PM

because a dude that has made billions off of dressing up like his mom on stage represents the vast majority of a population

4/13/2012 2:03:43 PM

http://www.theonion.com/articles/zimmerman-charged-with-seconddegree-murder,27914/

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"Is it just me, or is this rush to judgment taking forever?"

4/13/2012 4:38:22 PM

the following video has a reenactment of the trayvon martin murder (starting at 0:33):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO-k4GqbATg

4/13/2012 8:27:09 PM

^ that is ridiculous...

4/13/2012 8:32:29 PM

I was asked to caption this photo...


My reply:


WHY WON'T YOU DIE?

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 8:33 PM. Reason : s]

4/13/2012 8:32:43 PM

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"Like the thread I made about Tyler Perry claiming he was racially profiled because he was pulled over by two white cops for making an ILLEGAL turn."

Despite what your "folksy wisdom" might erroneously lead you to believe, this DOES in fact happen.

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"The results of the study supported Biased Evidence Hypothesis and indicated that participants who saw a photo of a dark- skinned perpetrator judged subsequent evidence as more supportive of a guilty verdict compared to participants who saw a photo of a lighter-skinned perpetrator. "

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1601615

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"We find that persons of African and Hispanic descent were stopped more frequently than whites, even after controlling for precinct variability and race-specific estimates of crime participation."

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1198/016214506000001040

Quote :

"Does Victim Race Affect Police Clearance of Violent Crime Incidents? Results suggest that the race of the victim, particularly in combination with the race of the offender, is related to police clearance of violent criminal incidents"

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07418820802266462

4/13/2012 8:43:31 PM