one win doesn't make a season earl

11/29/2014 3:07:26 PM

Credible

11/29/2014 3:07:31 PM

i am sorry for all my bullshit against doeren this season

one win does make up for it IMO -- i'll take this unc asskicking, 7-5, 3 acc wins after last year playing 5th most freshmen in FBS

gg doeren

11/29/2014 3:08:31 PM

He's not iron-clad yet. I support him, but he's not at a level where a losing season doesn't put him back on the hot seat. Same standard London is getting at UVA.

I expect 4-4 or better next year.

He is still the 5th best coach in the division. I want to see him challenge to move up to 4th or higher in this division.

Consistent top 4 in this division is golden.

11/29/2014 3:13:13 PM

7-5, crushed unc. works for me.

11/29/2014 3:40:37 PM

^^that's where I am.

3 wins takes some heat off. But it was still pretty ugly and I'm not going to just dismiss my concerns. Good win today and hopefully the beginning of some real progress.

11/29/2014 3:42:49 PM

Definitely the best win of his tenure here.

+35 credbility

11/29/2014 3:42:58 PM

More than doubled our wins over last season

3 ACC wins (2 on the road)

Beat UNC

Going to a bowl game

Credible as fuck right now

11/29/2014 3:43:57 PM

Check your expectations or you will go through the same heartache next year. We are still building and cant realiatically expect to pass the powerhouses who continue to build as well. We will still be behind fsu clemson and louisville which is 3 losses. Bc should be a tossup.

I dont know who we play ooc or coastal but Expecting less than 3 division losses next year is delusional.

Goimg backwards would warrant harsh criticism thougb

11/29/2014 3:50:06 PM

solid improvement this year, exceeded expectations, +3 credibility for 3 acc wins, +28 credibility for beating the baby blue buttholes

11/29/2014 3:56:16 PM

Don't forget this wasn't just beating unc. He shut out one of accs best offenses on the road in a rivalry game. This was extraordinary on an X's and O's level

11/29/2014 4:10:47 PM

Smarter than Fedora. +35

Comes back to the question from last week: Why the fuck didn't duke run the ball? UNC could be sitting at home for bowl season.

11/29/2014 4:32:16 PM

just an amazing domination. i like where doeren has the program headed. winning 3 of 4 in conference to end the season was just fantastic.

11/29/2014 4:40:04 PM

GG Doeren. I shitted on you for the 0-4 start to ACC but I suppose I got delusional from the Florida State Game. I would of been happy with a 1 point win today, good job spanking Carolina.

11/29/2014 5:16:03 PM

Lots of heat gone after today but I am still pissed at Dave about his shenanigans in the Louisville game. Coulda Woulda Shoulda

11/29/2014 5:25:27 PM

I'm poised it took until the last two games of the season to figure out just to run the dang ball.

11/29/2014 7:47:45 PM

Steady improvement

11/29/2014 8:00:35 PM

Great win today Pack

11/29/2014 8:19:36 PM

Awesome PC.

LOL starting 7:10

http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/11/29/4363412/listen-to-nc-states-dave-doeren.html

[Edited on November 29, 2014 at 8:30 PM. Reason : ]

11/29/2014 8:30:26 PM

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"i am sorry for all my bullshit against doeren this season one win does make up for it IMO -- i'll take this unc asskicking, 7-5, 3 acc wins after last year playing 5th most freshmen in FBS gg doeren"

This. And after all his bullshit going for it on fourth downs last year I had my doubts that he knew how to outcouch his opponents, but today he finally won me over.

11/29/2014 8:44:05 PM

I'll give Dave some credit, last two games have been great. 7-5 pretty much as good as we could have done this year. On the other hand we played the easiest OOC in my lifetime.

11/29/2014 9:43:30 PM

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"He's not iron-clad yet. I support him, but he's not at a level where a losing season doesn't put him back on the hot seat. Same standard London is getting at UVA. I expect 4-4 or better next year. He is still the 5th best coach in the division. I want to see him challenge to move up to 4th or higher in this division. Consistent top 4 in this division is golden. "

This seems fair.

And really, the absolute best any could've reasonable expected this season was 8 wins. And that would've been a stretch. These last two games have been great...against weaker competition, I know. But sticking the run, and being downright dominant up front, on both sides of the ball, has been an absolute joy to watch.

[Edited on November 29, 2014 at 10:47 PM. Reason : DD gets major +cred for this win in my book. couldn't have asked for much more in year 2]

11/29/2014 10:47:09 PM

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"This. And after all his bullshit going for it on fourth downs last year I had my doubts that he knew how to outcouch his opponents, but today he finally won me over. "

Questions were about his in game coaching. Like against UL this year. But I think in game coaching is overrated anyway

11/29/2014 11:37:53 PM

You guys run solely off emotion. If he really was as bad as you were saying. One win over another average team wouldn't completely change that. But since its UNC, beating them somehow compltely turns the table.

A lot of you owe me a big apology. I was called a troll all season just for having perspective about the teams we were losing to and teams we were beating. I was called a troll for having realistic expectations. I was called a troll for believing we would win some games once we stopped playing great teams. Well all I can say is. Whose a troll NOW?

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"Relax. We just lost to the best 4 teams in the acc. All we know for sure is that we are not in the top 3rd of the conference but we went toe to toe with half of them."

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"Every other team we lost to is ranked or getting votes so the "experts" also think they are the some of the best teams in the country. One of those teams was just the defending national champion with a Heisman winner. Even if we were where we ultimately want to be, these games would have all still been losable. Historically, these are the types of games we lost 90% of the time even with our best teams and best players like Williams, Rivers, or Wilson."

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"Didn't realize the year was over because we lost to the best 3 teams on our schedule. WE ARE 4-3 and you're talking about lack of progress because we lost to some good as teams. Who said we won't make a bowl?"

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"Bottom line, we did well to go 4-0. Look good and exceeded everyones expectations in those 4 games against easy competition. Hell, we were almost ranked. Then, we played the best team in the country and 2 of the best teams in the conference and everyone has given up. Under no circumstances should you have expected us to compete in those games or the next one. Complain if we lose to Wake."

11/30/2014 11:18:45 AM

you are still a dipshit troll

11/30/2014 11:47:01 AM

Whose troll? Earl's troll!

But it is funny/frustrating to watch a lot of posters emote all over themselves. But that's the internet (and lots of sports fans in general).

I've seen steady improvement. That's all you can ask for from a new coach and an extremely young team (and shit-qb play last year).

11/30/2014 11:52:19 AM

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"HCH - There can't be overreaction to getting shut out while giving up 21 first quarter points (again) on the way to 0-10. Calling for DD to be fired now is completely reasonable."

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"GenghisJohn - We nearly lost to Georgia Southern and Old Dominion. Old Dominion gained 500 yards of offense. That is who this team is."

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"BrickTop - cut him loose fucking travesty ... doeren should not coach a single snap of the 2015 season."

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"rflong - Starting to climb on the fire him wagon. Losing at home to BC is shameful. We needed this fucking win to get a bowl game and extra practices. Instead we will now lose out except maybe Wake. Seems like we've regressed back to last season the past 2 games."

(this one is particularly funny)

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"cptinsano - Are we sticking with "not enough talent to compete" or have we decided that GT are worldbeaters who remain justifiably ranked and who definitely didn't almost lose to Georgia Southern?"

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"JesusHChrist - If we get railed by the Loserville Tardinals (I saw that once on a YouTube comment years ago, and it's stuck with me ever since), then it becomes likely that this team folds, and even winnable games at Cuse and home against WF become a struggle. ... It should be obvious by now that this dude doesn't even football. Doeren will never out-recruit FSU or Clemson. So he will never have more talent than they will. This means he will have to -at some point- outclass them from the sidelines with inferior talent if he wants to win the Atlantic division (because that's why we hired him, right?). He's already shown in 2 seasons that he won't be able to do that. And food for thought. After this Saturday, he will have coached just as many games as the NC State head coach as he did for Northern Illinois. Dude's a bust."

[Edited on November 30, 2014 at 1:25 PM. Reason : "You guys run solely off emotion"]

11/30/2014 1:21:14 PM

hey, the team got a lot better. i give him credit.

11/30/2014 1:24:37 PM

Incredible. One win and everything he did wrong is okay. It still doesn't change the fact that he almost lost to Georgia Southern and that we are only going bowling because of cheap teams. Unc was our only credible win and we did it good, but he better be truly good next season. If we escape to the postseason under cheap wins against Georgia Southern like we did this season then to me he hasn't gained credibility.

11/30/2014 1:34:46 PM

folks are probably pleased about the last third of the season, being capped off with that asswhooping definitely meant more than it would have if we were 4-8.

11/30/2014 1:48:07 PM

2017...still got a couple of years to grow

11/30/2014 1:49:59 PM

Get off the "we almost lost to Georgia Southern", that team went 9-3, undefeated in their conference and almost beat a really good GT team. A win is a win.

We went 7-5, including 4 losses to teams currently ranked. We're one of the 10 youngest teams in FBS and still made a bowl game and showed improvement from last year. We're trending in the right direction.

Going from a 3-9 dumpster fire season to 7-5 and a bowl game is solid improvement. We are back to being an average ACC team after being the worst in conference last year. Next year no reason we can't be in the top half of the ACC.

11/30/2014 3:01:49 PM

I don't think anyone is slobbing his knob, but considering how things were last year, it's something to give hope for the future. GA Southern isn't terrible, and there's really no reason to expect a win against FSU, GT, or Clemson given the state of our program. 9-3 was a best case scenario, and 4-8 was a worst case scenario. Finishing 7-5 and beating both in-state rivals played is TOB level, but after last year, we should be happy with exceeding expectations. I gave Doeren shit all year, and he deserved it (especially for the Lville game), but at least he showed he can coach given the playcalling yesterday against unc-cheat. If this is his ceiling then yes, shitcan. But let's see what he can build on after a successful season. I'm at least willing to give him a chance, where as before I was ready for him to be axed. It isn't building him a statue or anything, just cautious optimism.

11/30/2014 3:15:18 PM

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"We are back to being an average ACC team after being the worst in conference last year. Next year no reason we can't be in the top half of the ACC."

Except not really. There are only two ACC teams that finished with a worse conference record than we did. We finished 5 out of 7 in the Atlantic. That's not average. That's below average.



Look, I'm happy about the win yesterday, but that was really Doeren's first quality conference win in two years. That doesn't just undo two years worth of solid criticism.


Doeren was always going to get another season, in my opinion. But he's seat is significantly cooler after beating UNC and getting a bowl (as it should be -- I have no issue with that). But I still stand by my concerns that I don't think he'll be able to outcoach FSU and Clemson in the same year in order to compete for the Atlantic, which is ostensibly why we hired him in the first place. We don't have the benefit of playing in the Coastal, so simply running in the middle of the division isn't going to contend for a conference championship appearance from time to time. We have to be able to string together a season where we only lose 1, maybe 2 conference games while playing FSU, Clemson, and Louisville every year. That's going to be incredibly difficult to do, and I'm still not sure he can do that. I'm happy for the win, glad to go bowling, and happy at the end of the season, but I'm not gonna give the guy a western-grip handy-J with a smile on my face just yet.

11/30/2014 3:58:42 PM

11/30/2014 4:17:11 PM

^^ im not sure saban could do what you are asking. You are ddelusional. In this division, contending for a conference championship means contending for a national championship.

11/30/2014 4:33:56 PM

what fault do you find in that post/logic?

it is possible to critical of a guy without calling for the guy to be fired

nuance, man

11/30/2014 4:33:59 PM

Clearly, NCSU is not the same level of program as Wake and Duke and we shouldn't hope to make a conference championship game once a decade

11/30/2014 4:37:03 PM

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" im not sure saban could do what you are asking. You are ddelusional. In this division, contending for a conference championship means contending for a national championship."

Then why did we fire the previous guy?

11/30/2014 4:43:07 PM

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"There are only two ACC teams that finished with a worse conference record than we did. We finished 5 out of 7 in the Atlantic."

Yeah, we're also the ONLY team in the conference that had to play FSU, Clemson, Louisville, and GT. Is it any surprise we went 3-5 in the ACC considering we lost to 4 top 25 teams? We played FSU tough, obviously crushed by Clemson(one of the few teams to play a healthy Watson this year) and GT, and we played Louisville very competitively on the road.

I meant average in terms of the entire ACC. Duke is 5-3, but I don't have any doubt we could play them next week and win.

11/30/2014 8:00:00 PM

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"Then why did we fire the previous guy?"

Amazing isn't it? TOB would go 7-5 and beat UNC, everyone wanted him gone. Now DD goes 7-5 with a win over UNC, and we are super pumped. The point was to get better so hopefully the upward trend continues.

We played the easiest OOC we have in forever, but our conference slate was easily the toughest in the league so I guess it evens out. Still somewhat excited to see what happens in the bowl. DC, Charlotte, or Nashville I'm going.

11/30/2014 8:11:18 PM

wake also went to the ACC title game in a year where FSU wen't 3-5 in the ACC and clemson was unranked at 8-5 ...


so either (as ridiculous as this sounds) we have to contend for a ntl title spot going undefeated in the atlantic ... or we have to get lucky and be good in a year that FSU falls completely apart.

granted Vtech and Miami to an extent have fallen off the rails, so there is a slim chance the same could happen to FSU again....


^^ is exactly correct.... lets have some perspective.

^point is moot... because I'd venture it was pretty well established TOB wasn't contending for any titles... there's nothing so far to say DD -WILL- but we knew TOB wouldn't ...

on a normal year... to get to the ACC championship game we're going to have to go through a 10 or 11 win FSU team. That's what we're looking for, and it remains to be seen if DD can get us to that point.

11/30/2014 8:13:59 PM

^^^ that's all hypothetical, Luda. You play the schedule you're dealt. The two teams in conference that we finished ahead of are also the only other two teams we beat head to head. That's probably not a coincidence.

And we will be dealt FSU, Clemson, and Louisville every year, among with some Coastal teams. And in order for us to have a shot at the ACC championship game, we have to do a lot better than our losing conference record. Am I happy with 3 conference wins after last season? Of course. 3 conference wins this year and a bowl appearance buys Doeren time. But it's hardly proof of great things to come. Maybe it will be, and I'll be "that guy" who doubted him. Maybe.

[Edited on November 30, 2014 at 8:27 PM. Reason : luda]

11/30/2014 8:22:29 PM

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"because I'd venture it was pretty well established TOB wasn't contending for any titles"

We were a Ron Cherry blown call @ Maryland from driving for a chance to win the Atlantic in 2010 but okay.

11/30/2014 8:29:52 PM

^it's amazing how people choose to forget that, but instead rabble rabble "he punted to gio...rawwwwr," "he punted at Clemson....rawwwr."


Buncha hate dragons, the lot of you.

11/30/2014 8:43:45 PM

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"Amazing isn't it? TOB would go 7-5 and beat UNC, everyone wanted him gone. Now DD goes 7-5 with a win over UNC, and we are super pumped."

year 2 of a tenure with an empty cupboard vs year 5 of TOB with NFL qbs and a much easier division.

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"Clearly, NCSU is not the same level of program as Wake and Duke and we shouldn't hope to make a conference championship game once a decade"

Several teams who are not on our level win shitty conferences every year.

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"be good in a year that FSU falls completely apart."

This just won't happen anymore. Bowden was not in control the last decade of his time there. Things are different now. Clemson and Louisville are also building powerhouse programs that will be consistently good.

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" The two teams in conference that we finished ahead of are also the only other two teams we beat head to head. That's probably not a coincidence."

BC is the only team who finished ahead of us that isn't ranked. Switch our game with GT to VT like they had and we would be even. We lost one winnable game all season.

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"We were a Ron Cherry blown call @ Maryland from driving for a chance to win the Atlantic in 2010 but okay."

Lets wait and see what DD can do with when he gets the type of all-world QB that only rolls around once in a lifetime...oh wait.

11/30/2014 8:48:11 PM

Looking back, 4 of our losses are against now-ranked teams. And that squeaker against Georgia Southern to open the season doesn't seem so bad now. They are 9-3, lead the nation in rushing, swept their shitty conference and pulled off the same kind of game against GT(GT scored with 20 secs left to win that one).

Even ODU is bowl-eligible.

Looking back, my support of this staff has been a roller coaster ride. I went into this saying that no matter what happened this year DD gets a pass because he inherited nothing. Then after obvious shit coaching during the Louisville game, I was done. Now, I'm pleased with where we are going.

11/30/2014 10:48:10 PM

Only grade A jerkoffs would throw even the smallest of shade in this thread..the day after he made love tenderly to all things UNC in Kenan.

11/30/2014 11:10:25 PM

To be fair, the unc game was pretty meaningless. Both teams in a bowl with nothing to gain and thats exactly how UNC played it.

11/30/2014 11:17:59 PM

set em up ----------->

11/30/2014 11:29:43 PM