omfg, an EA game that's better on the PS3? i'm so confused now

via Penny Arcade

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"Also, in a radical reversal - like you might see in a wrestling match - the Playstation 3 version is clearly the better of the two. Clearly. People can talk about the contrast of the comparative images all night, if they would like, slight texture differences and so forth. Both look excellent. The 360 version quite simply doesn't have it in the performance department. It runs, and well, but once you've played it on the PS3 you start to notice performance dips and lost frames that used to just fade into the background. Also, this is the rare case where the 360's consistent UI is actually a hindrance to a cohesive experience: PS3 owners pull up an entirely in-game menu to select friends to play with. 360 owners get the same experience up until the end, when you leave the game UI altogether while this huge blade thing sweeps in and obscures the game. Typically, joining and invites occur outside the actual game experience. It's only jarring here because the distinction between single player and multiplayer is so liquid. Still, I thought it was interesting, particularly if that becomes a trend."

12/17/2007 8:08:09 PM

It's not confusing....it's because the PS3 was the pilot development platform. It doesn't sound like the 360 has a shoddy port though, and that's the difference. And part of what upsets PS3 owners rightfully so.

Criterion Games who makes the Burnout series is a Sony developer at heart. In interviews they pretty much blatantly come out and refer to their partnership. Difference is that they are competent enough to deliver multi platform that works well. Also Criterion uses a rendering engine that is traditionally partnered with Sony pretty closely. All the GTA series uses this, BLACK (pretty big FPS release for PS2 toward the end of the life cycle), Burnout series, and some other stuff maybe.

Good to hear for the PS3 camp, now they just need to actually SELL the damn thing.

12/17/2007 10:11:28 PM

Ohh and this might be an interesting read for new play station owners or those that forgot that PS2 was still alive and kicking decently this year...

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/12/17/we-3-ps2-a-year-in-review/

12/17/2007 10:13:52 PM

The crashes in burnout paradise are impressive as hell. And it does run like butter.

12/18/2007 7:54:21 AM

nothing like "ps3fanboy.com"

and you wonder why we bust your balls!

12/18/2007 8:27:09 AM

Double Post.

[Edited on December 18, 2007 at 9:13 AM. Reason : .]

12/18/2007 9:08:42 AM

^ There's also xbox360fanboy.com, and a wiifanboy.com. All run by the same company, Joystiq.

12/18/2007 9:12:41 AM

The update dropped this morning by the way. The coolest thing I've discovered is you can go to sites like Gametrailers and download WMVs directly from the PS3 browser, and they play perfectly. Background downloading even works with the browser now. DivX sites like Stage6 work as well. Also, the new visualizations for music are really cool.

12/18/2007 9:43:54 AM

i've read varying degrees of xvid working with the new update

anyone tried it personally?

12/18/2007 9:45:49 AM

The South Park xvids i downloaded using torrents from http://www.southparkfiles.com/ worked. Going through my porn collection was hit or miss, but I have no idea what codec half that shit is anyway. I think the consensus is that xvid files which use some of xvid's unique features won't work, while the one's that don't will. Also, most of the WMVs I tried worked just fine, except a few I downloaded from Microsoft's site. On those, the video played but no audio. Go figure.

12/18/2007 9:51:08 AM

So I'm buying a PSP.....

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218416

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"With today's PS3 firmware 2.10 update and PSP firmware 3.80 update, Sony has secretly updated the Remote Play functionality to allow playing of all PSone downloadable games AS WELL AS PS1 ORIGINAL DISCS! Straight to the source on the Playstation Forums. This is really interesting tech news!"

12/18/2007 11:37:31 AM

wow... that's money

N2O and Frequency/Amplitude on the PSP FTW

12/18/2007 12:32:02 PM

It's actually a cool feature for those with legit PSPs. But then it begs the question, my god, why would you ever own a legit PSP

12/18/2007 1:01:34 PM

What's a 'legit' PSP? If you're saying you can't do this on custom firmware, I implore you to check again. You can, and it's awesome.

12/18/2007 1:05:59 PM

how does that work exactly. You play a PSone game via download or disc thats currently in the PS3 but you can be playing it on the can via the PSP? if so thats awesome and i'll have to pick one up.

12/18/2007 1:11:36 PM

I mean, isnt there a new PSP firmware release that shores up and improves the connectivity to the PS3?

You can't update that new psp firmware if you are running homebrew, so I figured this wouldnt even work right.

12/18/2007 1:19:13 PM

I've got my PSP up to date as of the last custom firmware (3.73 M33-3, I think?) and it does remote play, including powering the PS3 on/off.

With this PS3 update, you can play any PS1 game you've downloaded from PSN and stored on your PS3. You can also have any PS1 disc in the PS3 and play that.

I'm really impressed that Sony actually pulled this off. When they announced it around PS3 launch, I thought it would be a long time before we saw any of it working. Now here we are 1 year later and they've surpassed my expectations.

12/18/2007 1:25:24 PM

Well I meant, I saw in NeoGAF forums that there is some lag and controller delay issues that are improved with a new PSP update in addition to the PS3 latest update.

You can't really update to that latest Sony PSP firmware and still run that 3.733 (I run that as well) as far as I know.

12/18/2007 1:41:40 PM

you are correct, there is no custom firmware equivalent for 3.80.

But the latest custom firmware will run games over remote play just fine. You have to go into a menu on the PSP to adjust the delay if you are getting lag.

12/18/2007 2:49:58 PM

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"Trust me, Electronic Arts, when they threw out the 300 million [for Bioware and Pandemic]—that is multiplatform—that is not 360 only...It has to [come to PS3], I wouldn't be shocked if Mass Effect 1 came to PlayStation 3."

that'd be nice

12/18/2007 3:21:42 PM

now that I've had a chance to play with the new firmware a little bit.... wow. I'm amazed at how fluid it all is. You can adjust the image quality and lag settings from the PSP if you have a shady internet connection. I have yet to experience any serious stuttering or anything while streaming anything.

From the shitter at work (or anywhere else with WiFi), I can turn on my PS3 at home and:

-stream my entire library of videos off my PC. I'd say about 90% of my files work,that's a lot of files. (DivX + XviD included)
-browse the internet on my PS3 (ghetto proxy)
-stream any music/pictures directly from PC
-play any PS1 game (I've got about 3 downloaded so far, but I'll probably download more now)
-even play some (hopefully more soon) PSN games (the poker game works) [everyday shooter on psp, plz sony]

and then when I'm done I can turn the PS3 off.


That's a solid frame for what could be an awesome integrated online service (PSN or Home). Hopefully Sony stays on target in 08 and delivers some content.

[Edited on December 18, 2007 at 9:40 PM. Reason : bl]

12/18/2007 9:37:14 PM

I dont get it, I just tried to connect via PSP but it says a system update is required to 3.30. Well, I don't want to do that or I will lose my homebrew. I was able to connect I suppose with remote play after registering the PSP. But I see no function to browse the XMB of the PS3, turn it off or on, much less play a ps1 game on the disc.

Confused....

12/18/2007 10:02:46 PM

ok need some help. I have my PS3 set for 1080p output and I just brought it over to my gf's house and her tv only does 720p so when I hooked it up via HDMI it says unsported mode (which was expected) what i didn't expect was that the PS3 wouldn't auto reset the display settings if it was detected as unsported. I had a feeling I should have reset it to 720p before bringing it over.

Is there a way to reset it? or if someone can tell me what controls to press. I can power the system off via the controller no problem because i've memorized those commands without seeing whats on screen but not for the settings.

12/18/2007 10:05:10 PM

nvm...just have to hold the power button for 5 seconds on start up to reset the display settings to 480i

12/18/2007 10:08:17 PM

I've never seen people so excited to play 12 year old games.

12/19/2007 8:55:51 AM

you're a sad, sad little man

[Edited on December 19, 2007 at 9:16 AM. Reason : because the virtual console is such a shitty concept, right?]

12/19/2007 9:16:15 AM

I guess i'll be waiting til the PSP 3.80m33 patch comes out. I'll give Dark Alex 3 or 4 days max to break it. I'm still fuddled on how you actually do stuff like remotely turn on PS3 or remote play in general, as Fanatik said he could do that on the same firmware that I have. If anyone can answer that (ATTN: Fanatik) please help.

I will say this - I had a chance to try out the new media server capability and the new music player and visualizations that are brand new. Let me be the first to say that I'm mightily impressed. You guys know how critical I am of Sony, it is because I want them to improve on a somewhat hollow set of firmware and gaming catalog. I think they need to take strides to prove themselves. But I must say, I really really like how well and seamless this media streaming is. I was able to connect to more movie formats (like from my Canon Powershot SD700) than I was on the 360. Also the music seemed to pipe better out of my 7.1 surround. The new media player with the solar/earth visualizations is really really hot.

I was also able to checkout Burnout Paradise and I was really pleased how they integrated multiplayer. See, that is the next big thing- EASY multiplayer implementation and finding of games - and Criterion does an EXCELLENT job with this, all without needing an in-game XMB list. Don't get me wrong, that's still needed - but props to Criterion for recognizing the flaw and filling it in themselves. Not many developers would be so willing...

Good job Sony. You may make a believer out of me yet. Get the in-game XMB, clean up the play station store, pipe content in like a fat dude at golden corral, get those games out and you'll at least be covering up and moving past the big mistakes you've made this generation.

12/19/2007 9:26:07 AM

Let me revise my statement.

While it's a cool functionality, I've never seen people so excited to play 12 year old games they could already easily play.

It's like "Oh man, I can play Final Fantasy 7 for the 40th time, but this time it'll be on my PSP, so it'll be so much cooler"

12/19/2007 9:31:30 AM

^ You can't always be around your console and a tv, so its fun. I was excited to play old nes games on my DS with homebrew emulator.

12/19/2007 9:35:06 AM

^^You get excited over POKEMON, it's been the same game for longer than 12 years.

12/19/2007 9:45:11 AM

picked up a ps3 last saturday and I've been having some problems with the video. The system is connected to one of the dvi ports on my tv with an hdmi to dvi cable. After I hooked it up, everything worked fine at first, but when I left it on overnight and turned on my tv the next morning, there were fuzzy blue lines running all over the screen. I switched the ps3 to the other dvi port, which i had my computer hooked up to, and after a while the video just went away and wouldn't come back, even with system reboot. I switched the system back to the original dvi port and I got video, but I'm still having the fuzzy line problem if the system is on for an extended period of time.

Before the ps3 I had my dvr connected to the dvi port using the same hdmi to dvi cable and never had this problem. My computer has been connected to the other dvi port since I got the tv and I have never had the problem of the video just going out. Anyone heard of anything like this or have any thoughts of what the problem is?

12/19/2007 10:17:17 AM

buy a new TV with HDMI inputs you cheap bastard

i still wonder how you live without greg and chris around to provide you with food

12/19/2007 10:26:55 AM

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"^^You get excited over POKEMON, it's been the same game for longer than 12 years."

So has Final Fantasy, but I'd argue there's a difference between consistant gameplay within a franchise and being the exact same game it was when it was released.

Personally, I think it'd be cooler if they made it so the PS3 could rip and create little ISOs to stick on your PSP memory card that contained the games, so that you wouldn't be limited to one disc based game at a time or by the strength of your wireless connection -- I'd assume the PSP is powerful enough to do that. Sure, that'd make it a haven for piracy, but isn't that what the PSP already is?

[Edited on December 19, 2007 at 10:54 AM. Reason : .]

12/19/2007 10:53:13 AM

a PSone emulator for the iPhone is in the works too btw. There is a beta out now but its really really buggy.

12/19/2007 10:54:56 AM

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"buy a new TV with HDMI inputs you cheap bastard i still wonder how you live without greg and chris around to provide you with food"

haha..it does have one, but it only does 1080i, the dvi ports do 1080p

as for food, its amazing what you can get with an orange vest and a cardboard sign this time of year

12/19/2007 11:05:36 AM

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"It's like "Oh man, I can play Final Fantasy 7 for the 40th time, but this time it'll be on my PSP, so it'll be so much cooler""

Well, it doesn't look quite as shitty on the PSP screen.

12/19/2007 12:03:56 PM

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"Personally, I think it'd be cooler if they made it so the PS3 could rip and create little ISOs to stick on your PSP memory card that contained the games, so that you wouldn't be limited to one disc based game at a time or by the strength of your wireless connection -- I'd assume the PSP is powerful enough to do that."

I think you misunderstand the application of remote play.

It isn't sending game code via wifi to the PSP or emulating anything. All emulation is done on the PS3 and the video and audio is streamed to the PSP via remote play. Then the control signals from the PSP are sent to the PS3 to control the game. So ripping the game to the PSP directly won't do anything for you.

12/19/2007 12:24:41 PM

Yes kainen

Which is why he said it would be cool if you actually could do that.

12/19/2007 12:32:31 PM

I understand that Sandsanta, but he also stated the assumption that the PSP is powerful enough to do that. Which it isn't. Closest thing is an emulator, PSX-P, but it's a 10 fps buggy affair.

12/19/2007 12:38:27 PM

^actually, with PSP + POPstation you can rip + run ANY PS1 game flawlessly from the memory stick on PSP. You can even make one ISO out multiple discs (for multi-disc games) and play those. The process is incredibly easy.

^^^^^^Stein, you can run PS1 games not only from the disc drive, but also any PS1 games you've d/l from PSN. They only have a dozen or so up right now, but you can be your ass they're gonna be dropping a ton of them from now on. I really think it's something people will buy, considering you can now play them anywhere without having to carry any kind of media or plan ahead (which games should i take w/me type of thing)

What I'm hoping is that they make more of the PSN originals playable on the PSP. The poker game released a patch that allows it. Hopefully we'll see more patches in the future, and games will start using this functionality now that it works so flawlessly.

Kainen: as far as your PSP troubles are going. Make sure you've registered the PSP with the PS3. Make sure you've enabled "turn on/off PS3 over internet" in the "Remote Play Options" menu on the PS3. If that fails, unregister the PSP and re-register it (I had to do this for some reason). Also, Remote play uses TCP 9293, so make sure it's forwarded on your router for your PS3. Other than that, it should be working.

[Edited on December 19, 2007 at 1:14 PM. Reason : k]

12/19/2007 1:11:56 PM

Didnt know about Popstation, is that a 1.50 kernel firmware or can we use it on the 3.7 m33? Sounds fantastic....maybe I can get around to finishing Vagrant Story

I'll try those steps you mention, but where at in the XMB would we even see how to interface with the PS3 stuff - like turn it on, whatever. Because I'm able to connect to the PS3, or it says I can, and it's in the Network Bar that it is connected, but I'm not sure how to do some of things I want to do. The only option i see is 'game sharing' and when I do that it times out trying to connect.

12/19/2007 1:18:22 PM

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"Didnt know about Popstation, is that a 1.50 kernel firmware or can we use it on the 3.7 m33? Sounds fantastic....maybe I can get around to finishing Vagrant Story I'll try those steps you mention, but where at in the XMB would we even see how to interface with the PS3 stuff - like turn it on, whatever. Because I'm able to connect to the PS3, or it says I can, and it's in the Network Bar that it is connected, but I'm not sure how to do some of things I want to do. The only option i see is 'game sharing' and when I do that it times out trying to connect."

Popstation is just the converter tool. You rip your PS1 game, run it through POPstation, then throw the ISO on your memory stick. It actually uses the official Sony emulator that is meant to run the PS1 games you purchase off PSN (built into the 'official' PSP firmware). It runs on M33 (ever since ~3.1 or whenever Sony added PS1 emulation). So it is possible to do exactly what Stein said (I've been doing it for months now), but it's nice to have the other option of playing over Remote Play as well (those PS1 games take up lotta room on a 4GB mem stick).

As far as remote play goes. From the PSP XMB, go to "remote play" (its towards the right end of the XMB). It will then ask you if you want to connect via Internet or Local network (you can connect to PS3 ad-hoc as well as over the net). If you connect Locally, assuming everything is setup right, your PS3 will boot up once it sees the PSP connecting and go straight to a screen that says "Remote play in progress" or something like that. At that point, your PSP basically becomes your PS3 display. You are literally controlling your PS3 from your PSP. Everything is available on the XMB, except for the "users" and "settings" menus. You can watch videos/play music, browse the web using the PS3 browser, hit up the PSN store, even use your PS3's buddy list. If you've got a PS Eye, you can take a look at what's going on in your crib. You can hit the "Home" button at any time on the PSP to pull up a menu with remote play settings, to stop remote play, or to turn off PS3.

It's slightly different if you're connecting over the net. After you pick "connect over internet" it will ask you to sign into the PSN. Once you're signed in, it takes about 30 seconds and your PS3 should magically turn on and do the same thing I mentioned above.

Note that while you're connected over Remote Play, you can't do ANYTHING directly on the PS3. It is stuck on that screen that says "remote play in progress". You can cancel out of that screen if you wish, but it terminates Remote Play. So if you're not showing that screen on your PS3 --> You're doing it wrong.

Hope that helps.

[Edited on December 19, 2007 at 1:32 PM. Reason : df]

[Edited on December 19, 2007 at 1:34 PM. Reason : ds]

12/19/2007 1:31:19 PM

Quote :

"^^^^^^Stein, you can run PS1 games not only from the disc drive, but also any PS1 games you've d/l from PSN. They only have a dozen or so up right now, but you can be your ass they're gonna be dropping a ton of them from now on. I really think it's something people will buy, considering you can now play them anywhere without having to carry any kind of media or plan ahead (which games should i take w/me type of thing)"

See, I have a similiar issue with Nintendo just for this reason -- it doesn't make any sense that people should have to buy the same game multiple times. There should be some way to rip the games you have, or get credit for having them, without having to plunk down the money again for something.

12/19/2007 1:38:47 PM

thanks for the help fanatik. I tried doing this while my PS3 was still on, and when the PSP connected ot it - the PS3 gave no indication that anything was happening. Perhaps Ill try this while the PS3 is off tonight

12/19/2007 2:04:09 PM

If your PS3 is on you have to go to "Remote Play" on the PS3 itself and start a session. The lock-out screen will then pop up and you're free to connect your PSP.

12/19/2007 3:22:37 PM

so it's easier to transmit low resolution video than it is to code ff7 for the psp

interesting

12/19/2007 6:33:00 PM

Damn. Tried it again, still wants me to update my PSP. I was able to turn my PS3 on with the PSP but anything after that required a sys update. Not sure how you are doing it considering we run the same firmware.

12/19/2007 8:52:02 PM

i have a ps1 in my garage if you need to borrow it kainen

12/19/2007 10:24:06 PM

not really intrested in playing any ps1 games really. more just want to try it out ya know. like, try streaming music or video through my psp in the house. sounds entertaining. except, it doesnt work quite right.

12/19/2007 10:44:21 PM

Hows the Warhawk Expansion???

12/20/2007 11:26:23 AM