aaronburro Sup, B 52977 Posts user info edit post |
57 years of cheating 11/7/2014 6:36:37 PM |
BlackDog All American 15654 Posts user info edit post |
1957, first NCAA recognized National Title by UNC 11/7/2014 7:48:04 PM |
JT3bucky All American 23249 Posts user info edit post |
McAdoo is suing the school in a class action suit.
break out the popcorn 11/7/2014 11:37:34 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148333 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "McAdoo told CNN he had expressed interest in studying criminal justice, but was told on his first day of scheduling that he had to pick from three majors that fit his football schedule -- Exercise and Sport Science, Communications, and African-American Studies, where the paper class scandal existed. McAdoo said his pre-determined schedule included some of the paper classes." |
Quote : | "McAdoo's lawsuit could potentially uncover even more than the damning Wainstein investigation, which was by far the most thorough and provided a slew of information that had previously been discounted by UNC.
The difference is in the power of subpoena.
McAdoo's lawyers will be able to depose people who declined to talk to Wainstein -- potentially key participants whom Wainstein called out for refusing to cooperate, like the former director of football Cynthia Reynolds and the former interim head football coach Everett Withers." |
]11/7/2014 11:42:51 PM |
Kurtis636 All American 14984 Posts user info edit post |
That first quote, just wow. 11/8/2014 12:14:20 AM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148333 Posts user info edit post |
Hopefully he's not using the same lawyers as last time though. The ones who didn't even check to see that his bullshit paper was plagiarized from many sources. 11/8/2014 12:44:55 AM |
JT3bucky All American 23249 Posts user info edit post |
I believe that paper was one of the sham class "recycled" papers though.
One they gave to paper class students on the regular. 11/8/2014 1:16:32 AM |
GoldieO All American 1801 Posts user info edit post |
More criticism in the Charlotte Post this morning about why the sole focus on AFAM despite athletes majoring in other departments.
http://www.thecharlottepost.com/news/2014/11/08/opinion/afam-studies-isn-t-only-scapegoat/ 11/8/2014 9:34:31 AM |
BlackDog All American 15654 Posts user info edit post |
I'm sure McAdoo can also be called out for just wanting attention and being crazy 11/8/2014 9:48:11 AM |
simonn best gottfriend 28968 Posts user info edit post |
^^
Quote : | "Asa Kelly is a senior at UNC-Chapel Hill." |
i'm really torn. on one hand i love burning down unc... but on the other hand, i don't care about undergrads talking about social issues.]11/8/2014 11:31:08 AM |
dubcaps All American 4765 Posts user info edit post |
new dan kane. http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/11/08/4305374_2005-unc-basketball-champs-2-semesters.html?sp=/99/100/&rh=1
Quote : | "In the 18 years of paper classes, men’s basketball players accounted for 363 enrollments, an average of 20 enrollments per year.
The football team accounted for 1,377 enrollments during that period, but the football team has roughly nine times the number of athletes. " |
consolidates a lot of information.
[Edited on November 8, 2014 at 8:01 PM. Reason : ]11/8/2014 8:01:15 PM |
jbtilley All American 12797 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "McAdoo told CNN he had expressed interest in studying criminal justice, but was told on his first day of scheduling that he had to pick from three majors that fit his football schedule -- Exercise and Sport Science, Communications, and African-American Studies, where the paper class scandal existed. McAdoo said his pre-determined schedule included some of the paper classes." |
Probably the three departments that had programs in place to keep athletes eligible. 11/8/2014 8:09:25 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37586 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | ""@mtdukes: Notice posted in the NC State tailgate lots demanding a more complete UNC-CH investigation. http://t.co/cM99dGtXp3 "" |
[Edited on November 8, 2014 at 8:10 PM. Reason : A]11/8/2014 8:09:37 PM |
BlackDog All American 15654 Posts user info edit post |
Yep this link posted above
http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/11/08/4305374_2005-unc-basketball-champs-2-semesters.html?sp=/99/100/&rh=1
Is by far the best place to read about the summary of what is going on involving the basketball team if you don't want to sort through this thread.
Quote : | "During the season that the UNC men’s basketball team made its run to the 2005 NCAA championship, its players accounted for 35 enrollments in classes that didn’t meet and yielded easy, high grades awarded by the architect of the university’s academic scandal." |
Also about what I said regarding McCants:
Quote : | "One of the basketball players, Rashad McCants, had previously told ESPN he took nothing but paper classes in the spring 2005 semester. His transcript showed he was in three independent studies plus one lecture class that had no instruction. He received straight A-minuses, making the DEAN'S LIST." |
I want them to say this in a Grand Jury environment. I love how everyone is constantly trying to shield Roy no matter what.
Quote : | "The Wainstein documents also reveal a friendly relationship between Crowder and Wayne Walden, coach Roy Williams’ hand-picked academic counselor for the basketball team.
They show the two working together to get players into the classes and Walden providing tickets and other team freebies to Crowder.
Walden told investigators he was aware that Crowder was grading the papers, but he said he can’t recall telling Williams." |
Well I can't recall a lot of things when am first asked, but give me some time and I will remember most of the time if it is important...
Quote : | "In the 18 years of paper classes, men’s basketball players accounted for 363 enrollments, an average of 20 enrollments per year." |
Quote : | "the 2005 team alone had 10 of 15 players with that major" |
[Edited on November 8, 2014 at 8:56 PM. Reason : Ruh-Oh!!!]11/8/2014 8:28:30 PM |
goalielax All American 11252 Posts user info edit post |
since the day the report came out, i've repeatedly said that basketball players took far more fake classes per scholarship than football...one the order of 53% more. glad dan kane is putting that in print 11/8/2014 9:56:25 PM |
UJustWait84 All American 25819 Posts user info edit post |
I really hope they drop the hammer right before the NCAA tournament. Allow UNC to have a monkey breathing down their neck all season and then make an example of them right as the tournament kicks off so that the entire country gets to hear the narrative. 11/8/2014 10:15:04 PM |
simonn best gottfriend 28968 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Probably the three departments that had programs in place to keep athletes eligible." |
not even mane, one of the emails was about that woman that was the head of the philosophy department putting someone in her feminism class.
this shit is everywhere. i hope it just ruins unc as a university, i really do.11/9/2014 3:10:48 AM |
Kurtis636 All American 14984 Posts user info edit post |
I really want Illinois to open their season by putting up a 2005 National Champions banner. I actually hope the NCAA hasn't done anything by then and Illinois just does it. 11/9/2014 6:10:19 AM |
chezcrakas Veteran 356 Posts user info edit post |
I just hope Dan Kane continues to dissect each season, including 1993. get thoes smug mf'ers Dan 11/9/2014 9:10:48 AM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27785 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I really want Illinois to open their season by putting up a 2005 National Champions banner. I actually hope the NCAA hasn't done anything by then and Illinois just does it." |
That's not how this works.
That's not how any of this works.11/9/2014 11:51:55 AM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148333 Posts user info edit post |
Illinois Fighting Illini
2005 Helms Bakery National Champions 11/9/2014 1:01:00 PM |
ncsuallday Sink the Flagship 9818 Posts user info edit post |
so the State Fans Nation article yesterday ended with
Quote : | "Just remember, no matter what you think…this will all be over by Friday." |
What does that mean? Did I miss something - like, is the NCAA supposed to announce something Friday?
http://www.statefansnation.com/2014/11/news-unc-news/11/9/2014 1:05:28 PM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27785 Posts user info edit post |
I think they're making fun of the UNC people who said something similar years ago when all this mess started. 11/9/2014 1:21:54 PM |
ncsuallday Sink the Flagship 9818 Posts user info edit post |
oh ok that makes sense. thanks. 11/9/2014 1:37:43 PM |
dingus All American 552 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I really hope they drop the hammer right before the NCAA tournament. Allow UNC to have a monkey breathing down their neck all season and then make an example of them right as the tournament kicks off so that the entire country gets to hear the narrative." |
lol like this would ever happen11/9/2014 2:30:36 PM |
simonn best gottfriend 28968 Posts user info edit post |
well i'll be. look what's on the front page of my reddit feed: http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/09/report-unc-took-26-bogus-classes-during-2005-spring-semester-national-title-run/
the article is sloppy as all hell, but i ain't mad at him.
Quote : | "On average, during the 18 years that the paper classes were being offered at UNC, the basketball team averaged 20 enrollments per year." |
i haven't seen it put quite like that before... that's really a lot to average over that long of a span of time.11/9/2014 4:32:01 PM |
dingus All American 552 Posts user info edit post |
^ somehow the preponderance of those enrollments will have been under bill guthridge and matt doherty. just watch 11/9/2014 10:56:44 PM |
simonn best gottfriend 28968 Posts user info edit post |
i wonder how much money is being thrown at matt doherty to not talk if he gets subpoenaed. dude is still right of mind and has nothing to lose relative to roy.
when he's found dead in the front seat of his car from a heroin overdose, don't believe it.] 11/10/2014 12:14:23 AM |
goalielax All American 11252 Posts user info edit post |
y'all remember when some UNC fan made a fake NCAA news website just to blow smoke around this when it first cropped up? that may have been the first place the "over by friday" thing started. 11/10/2014 7:49:20 AM |
jbrick83 All American 23447 Posts user info edit post |
I thought it was the IC mods (Greg Barnes I think)...that made the famous "this will all be over by Friday" comment back during the week of the LSU game. They said just a few players will be suspended for one game and maybe one or two players (Austin and Little) would be suspended for more games...but that it and that "it will all be over by Friday".
lulz 11/10/2014 8:15:40 AM |
goalielax All American 11252 Posts user info edit post |
ah yeah, that sounds familiar. still, the fake website was a nice touch 11/10/2014 8:17:21 AM |
dmspack oh we back 25463 Posts user info edit post |
^^I think that's right. And I guess that was something like 2 weeks into the initial investigation. hahahaha
[Edited on November 10, 2014 at 8:54 AM. Reason : d] 11/10/2014 8:54:01 AM |
Flyin Ryan All American 8224 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "^ somehow the preponderance of those enrollments will have been under bill guthridge and matt doherty. just watch" |
Guthridge is part of the Carolina Club. Doherty, sure, he'll be thrown under a bus.11/10/2014 11:09:13 AM |
dmspack oh we back 25463 Posts user info edit post |
Yeah Gut is up there. He had like 2 Final Fours in only 3 or 4 seasons there. Plus all his time as an assistant under Dean.
Doh is somehow gonna be made to be the scapegoat for this 11/10/2014 11:37:59 AM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148333 Posts user info edit post |
Doherty was a rogue coach 11/10/2014 12:04:36 PM |
spencer All American 3640 Posts user info edit post |
these were posted over on PP. nothing we don't know already, other than that someone on PP listens to 102 JAMZ and/or is a Twitter follower. dude's name is Tydreke (not Tadrick) Powell, btw (audio: http://d24edc7kaf4agn.cloudfront.net/1639552/unc-player-on-academic-controversy.mp3?rhihttphost=media.102jamz.com)
Quote : | " 102 JAMZ @102_JAMZ · 6h 6 hours ago "You know Roy Williams knows. He's a snake. One thing about # UNC if you ain't got a class with a basketball player, you better!" -Powell" |
Quote : | "102 JAMZ @102_JAMZ · 6h 6 hours ago "I got my degree in communications & I took the paper classes. I went to # UNC from 2007-2011." -Tadrick Powell" |
Quote : | "102 JAMZ @102_JAMZ · 6h 6 hours ago "Butch Davis came into a meeting once and said to us 'if you wanted an education, you shoulda went to Harvard." -Tadrick Powell # 3LC" |
11/10/2014 4:39:58 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25463 Posts user info edit post |
^Who is he...a former football player I guess? 11/10/2014 4:41:47 PM |
jbrick83 All American 23447 Posts user info edit post |
I like the one about the girl taking a test for a football player and then they all rain the train on her.
Jennifer Wiley anybody??
^ Tydreke Powell. I think he was a pretty solid defensive tackle for them.
[Edited on November 10, 2014 at 4:55 PM. Reason : ,] 11/10/2014 4:54:49 PM |
spencer All American 3640 Posts user info edit post |
yeah. four-star DL who started a couple years, served as captain, and got honorable mention All-ACC once
most interesting part of his senior year bio on goheels is "Afro American studies major" 11/10/2014 4:55:53 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148333 Posts user info edit post |
yeah...went undrafted...apparently is on the Vikings but doesn't have any stats...practice squad maybe? 11/10/2014 4:56:10 PM |
scotieb24 Commish 11086 Posts user info edit post |
I'll allow it11/10/2014 4:59:19 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148333 Posts user info edit post |
wonder who the bball player was whose name they bleeped out 11/10/2014 5:01:21 PM |
jbrick83 All American 23447 Posts user info edit post |
^^ I believe its a combination of running the train while making it rain on the girl. 11/10/2014 5:02:46 PM |
Doss2k All American 18474 Posts user info edit post |
What a bunch of lying ass dirty cheaters I hope this is the beginning of people selling them out. 11/10/2014 5:40:17 PM |
Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
as someone born and raised in the Triad, to anyone else from the area
102 JAMZ! 11/10/2014 5:42:16 PM |
GingaNinja All American 7177 Posts user info edit post |
What a glorious monday. 11/10/2014 6:46:22 PM |
erice85 All American 4549 Posts user info edit post |
Ahoskie representin'! 11/10/2014 6:57:09 PM |
tower All American 12280 Posts user info edit post |
102 Jamz goin' national 11/10/2014 7:41:09 PM |
jaZon All American 27048 Posts user info edit post |
lol @ him saying they were told to intentionally fail some learning disability tests 11/10/2014 8:07:16 PM |
aaronburro Sup, B 52977 Posts user info edit post |
^ I can't wait for UNC to try and say that Willingham's research was bogus because players were intentionally tanking the tests. 11/10/2014 8:20:00 PM |