^

Then that guy is the proverbial cock sucker

11/8/2005 11:39:24 AM

I really think this thread has progressed past the point of posting hands where AA lost.

11/8/2005 12:04:07 PM

Sorry, just pissed me off in the way that AA lost. Would it make it better if I ask what I did wrong, or how you would've played the hand?

11/8/2005 12:06:29 PM

i lost to Kh2h with AA

called my preflop raises aswell. fished the flush even after i slightly overbet the pot each time to try and ruin flushdraw odds.

11/8/2005 1:17:13 PM

so im thinking of playing in the 20+2 deep stacks pot limit omaha tournament tonight

5000 starting chips, 30 minute blind levels, start at 10/20 like normal poker stars tournaments.

the only thing is, i dont know if i want to commit 10+ hours to it

11/8/2005 3:05:44 PM

i love pl omaha.

11/8/2005 3:09:59 PM

pssssssssssstt

it appears as if the 20+2 180 player sngs on stars are permanent.


lemme just say one word,


juicy.

11/8/2005 3:17:35 PM

i really am going to have to open up an account on that site, pp has no omaha tournaments, you are talking straight high right, not split?

any stud hi/lo tourneys on stars? ooc

11/8/2005 3:19:48 PM

there are daily 10+1, 20+2, 30+3, and 100+9 with the occasional 200+10 plo hi tournaments on stars


the 20+2 deep stack today is plo hi.

and yes, they do have 7cs8 tournaments occasionally, but rarely over like $10+1

ive played a few of them, they are pretty nice.

if you can play a somewhat competent plo game, the 20+2 tournament is so soft its unbelievable, im over 80% in the money

and the tournament structure is much better than party, you start with 1500 chips for one thing

[Edited on November 8, 2005 at 3:25 PM. Reason : e]

[Edited on November 8, 2005 at 3:25 PM. Reason : e]

11/8/2005 3:24:13 PM

pp has no diversity when it comes to tournaments

11/8/2005 3:25:31 PM

i really like stars alot.

their ring games can be rather tough though.


(im trying to sat into the 500k tournament right now on stars)

11/8/2005 3:30:22 PM

yea, i can't complain about the cash games on pp...i really have been meaning to branch out to stars and paradise, i think what you just told me is enough motivation to actually do it

11/8/2005 3:31:23 PM

id rather impale myself than play paradise again.





no matter how good the games are.

11/8/2005 3:33:21 PM

really why's that? i heard they had a pretty good bonus program, no?

11/8/2005 3:33:58 PM

paradise?

its like a $50 bonus for signup, then your pso promo also.

the software is probably the worst in the industry, esp after they bogged down themselves like crazy with a fuckton of freerolls.

(like the "millioin dollar freeroll") thing

11/8/2005 3:36:23 PM

dzags18 it's not that you played it wrong, it's just a mundane hand. AA gets cracked all the time, it's that simple. There was no way you were possibly going to win that hand because that guy was not folding at any point in the hand. You bet it right and he called you down and caught. It's the nature of limit poker, and sometimes no-limit. Honestly the only stupid call he made the whole time was the $2 call of your initial bet preflop. Look at it this way.

He is in the BB for $1 and decides to call $3 with a hand that is obviously an underdog to whatever people are raising with. This is stupid and a poor play over time.

The next call he makes is only for $1 preflop, which is the correct call at that point considering he is calling $1 to win $12.

After the flop he does the smart thing and bets his pair to see if it's good. He get's reraised, but only $1 more, so now he has to call $1 to win $16. At this point he might even think he has the best hand and you are betting up AK.

On the turn, he turns an inside straight draw. Not a huge improvement, but if he still thinks you have AK then he is definitely still ahead. Even if he is behind, unless you are wielding JJ then he has a shit ton of outs (7,9, or 10). So now he is calling $2 to win $20.

The river gives him 2 pair, and you are beat. Yes you bet it right, and yes he got lucky. I am sure the guy was an idiot, but his logic wasn't that far off from being correct. AA is not unbeatable, especially in limit poker where people chase like motherfuckers. It's the nature of the beast. You had no way of winning this hand.

11/8/2005 4:59:55 PM

Damn, thats pretty shitty the way Raymer got knocked out. That fucking online player drew out with nothing on the flop just like he was playing online to knock out the defending champ.

11/8/2005 10:27:32 PM

^^ I know that, it just annoyed me, was just a stupid call on his part but what can you do.. I met up with him later and took most of my money back. I know AA will not always win, I hate playing it, especially in limit where its hard to see how strong it is. I got beat again later once when a guy stayed in with a gutshot straight draw (I think 10 high, he was holding the evil 7 9 again). I later drew AA again and got into a pot with the same guy, he had JJ and caught the J on the turn Oh well, nothing you can do, thats online poker for you.

11/8/2005 11:06:46 PM

^^ that guy called with shitty hands all night and managed to suck out. i'm glad he doesn't win

11/8/2005 11:15:20 PM

^ I concur.

In other news Mike Matasow is no longer the biggest douchebag at the table. The honor belong to "The Sheik," who managed to:

1) Get into a pissing contest with Mike (lame)

2) Trash talk about Mike's awful calls, seeing as his plays were far worse. (very lame)

3) Trash Talk with the low stack (ultra lame)


Mike's got a big mouth and bigger ego, but he's playing 100 times better poker than most of these guys. The old maxim holds true: It ain't trash talking if you back it up.

[Edited on November 9, 2005 at 12:29 AM. Reason : How the hell does Dannerman finish 2nd....]

11/9/2005 12:28:57 AM

Dude I disagree. Mike is the absolute biggest asshole in the world. I thought the comment the announcer made about him and Helmuth being as different as night and... late evening was funny as shit. I do like Helmuth a lot though, but I would like to punch Matusow in the teeth.

11/9/2005 12:31:16 PM

yeah i don't like mike very much either, but i like him a lot better than that sheik fucker. at least mike is funny when he's being a dick. this guy is just petty and a piece of shit

the best line i heard was sheik saying "don't touch my chips, mike" and mike replying "shut up"

11/9/2005 1:17:23 PM

I'm betting mike just uses it as a total mind game, and it completely got to shiek. He whispered something into shiek's ear when he lost, and I'm betting it was something positive. When you have that much control over someone's emotions, you can fuck with their game by making it personal.

11/9/2005 2:25:30 PM

but it was never shiek goin after mike.. it was mike callin shiek

11/9/2005 2:40:39 PM

more poker stories instead of opinion

11/9/2005 2:44:56 PM

more stories as long as they aren't just hand histories copied and pasted. those things are a pain in the ass to schlog through

[Edited on November 9, 2005 at 2:59 PM. Reason : v]

11/9/2005 2:58:03 PM

ill take mike over hellmuths whiny ass any day, that guy is so fucking annoying

11/9/2005 3:00:24 PM

Im beginning to feel like I have developed a new 6th sense.

I can visualize the card on my screen before it hits on the river.

The problem is

it only works when Im all in,

and I only seem to see the 1-3 cards in the deck that will bust me out of a tournament in huge pots.

11/9/2005 3:22:26 PM

Quote :

"So Jon, you find it completely reasonable that I just had 2 hands within 2 minutes of eachother where I was dealt the exact same cards and the exact same flop came out in the exact same order? I find that impossible to contribute to simple randomness."

not that it comes anywhere close to the same odds, but i played a house game about a year ago and my friend was dealt pocket kings 3 hands in a row. we shuffled between every hand and even rotated between 2 different decks. i'm pretty sure the odds of that are about 1:822,800

11/9/2005 4:17:12 PM

Yeah I think we discussed that hand in this very thread. I remember crunching the numbers on Excel.

11/9/2005 4:52:20 PM

^^ I was dealt pocket kings twice on absolute, both times club/spade, flop came AQ8 (I don't rememebr the suits, but it was the same both times) for both... CONSPIRACY

11/9/2005 6:24:55 PM

Quote :

"Turner, when are you coming into town? I think I heard the Monday of Thanksgiving. We have a lot of gin to play, in between sessions at POKER."

Unless I win my way into the $10k event at the current WSOP circuit here in Vegas (which is pretty unlikely), then I'll be there on that monday... and I plan to go straight from the airport to PKR!

11/9/2005 7:17:56 PM

Cool! Lemme know if you need a ride from the airport. I can pick you up and we'll head straight over to POKER.

11/9/2005 8:39:43 PM

Here's an early decision I took my time on in a $10+1 tourney on PP:

Quote :

"NL Texas Hold'em Trny:17278672 Level:1 Blinds (10/15) - Wednesday, November 09, 20:39:26 EDT 2005 Table Multi-Table(509004) Table #77 (Real Money) Seat 8 is the button Total number of players : 10 Seat 1: rockdog25 ( $1155 ) Seat 2: Russell995 ( $925 ) Seat 4: Gibbs4Pres ( $1355 ) Seat 5: wjsill ( $1220 ) Seat 6: haynesarris ( $1535 ) Seat 7: RWorzalla ( $925 ) Seat 8: spidasox ( $975 ) Seat 9: Silverpony20 ( $985 ) Seat 10: Kojack05 ( $1000 ) Seat 3: bluvschicubs ( $910 ) Trny:17278672 Level:1 Blinds (10/15) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to Kojack05 [ Ad Kc ] rockdog25 calls [15]. Russell995 folds. bluvschicubs folds. Gibbs4Pres folds. wjsill folds. haynesarris folds. RWorzalla folds. spidasox folds. Silverpony20 calls [5]. Kojack05 raises [45]. rockdog25 calls [45]. Silverpony20 calls [45]. ** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, Ac, 5s ] Silverpony20 checks. Kojack05 bets [150]. rockdog25 calls [150]. Silverpony20 folds. ** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ] Kojack05 bets [300]. rockdog25 calls [300]. ** Dealing River ** [ Jc ] Kojack05 checks. rockdog25 is all-In [645]"

I bet the flop hard to both knock out flush draws and look like a steal. I bet again on the turn, 300 chips into a 480 chip pot. When limper called both bets I was concerned about a fledgling flush draw or an Ace with a bad kicker.

The Q and J on the turn in river meant a possible two pair, so I checked the river. He of course went all-in and sent me into the tank. Did he hit a set of 5s? Maybe even 9s? AJ seemed like a decent possibility, AQ less likekly, but hey its 10+1 and I'm used to seeing people limp with anything and everything.

His hesitation on the turn was my only clue. Either he was pondering a call, or setting a trap. Was the check on the river bad, and would you call?

11/9/2005 8:53:17 PM

i don't know what he has, but i'm sure it was more than you.

11/9/2005 10:02:33 PM

bodog sit and go, knock the guy out on the 3rd hand of the 2nd level.

got some awesome breaks.

4 of a kind, after the guy was bluffin a set of 7s(I started with 72 suited and an unraised BB)
flopped 2 sets which turned into full houses(on shit hands by the way)

last hand I got dealt J2 off suit, called the guys small raise.

my chips: 1300
his: 700

flop: JJ9
he raises 60, I call
turn: 2
he bets 60, I call hoping for a reraise on river
river:4
he bets 120, i reraise another 120, he rerasies 120, I put him all-in, slightly worried that he has a better full house, but I can make up for it later if I lose.
he calls and flips em over, JQ....money in my pocket

I am not the best player in the world, but when you get dealt gifts like that, it makes up for getting bodogged in the normal tables.

11/10/2005 2:12:40 PM

just finished 2nd in a 10 player PL hold 'em sng. me and this guy went heads up for like 25 minutes. he finally busted me with unraised pocket queens after i hit a jack on the flop with KJ. oh well

11/10/2005 4:32:18 PM

8 straight tournament busts by gutshots on the river.

im seriously thinking i can see the cards before they come.

only the ones that break me.

oh, and another bubbler

11/10/2005 4:34:39 PM

^play ring games

I been knocking the crap outta shitty european players all afternoon despite getting burned by 3 miracle gutshots/runner-runner-flushes, each for at least E75

11/10/2005 5:00:48 PM

fucking rivered again, so i finished 2nd AGAIN. dammit, i wanna win one of these things

11/10/2005 6:17:33 PM

bah, pocket 2's caught sets TWICE against my aces and jacks. i hate this game

11/10/2005 7:12:14 PM

ALMOST made the final table in the first WSOP Circuit Tourney at Paris/Bally's... $300 buy in, 476 players... got 12th Measly profit of $1,190 for 12th place after 12 hours of poker today. All the money is of course at the final table ($42k for 1st)... oh well... that was just the first in the series, and there are two more big series right after... I plan to have a BIG cash at a final table soon!

11/11/2005 3:21:19 AM

I folded 6-3 off tonight!

11/11/2005 4:24:00 AM

Quote :

"I folded 6-3 off tonight!"

This is the problem with your game, Greg. Hands like 6-3off are GREAT for making small, hard to detect straights, and sometimes working their way into 2 pair or small boats! You also must remember that you have two altogether different flush draws with 6-3off, thus you hold half the key flush cards in the deck! There are so many hands that can be made with 6-3off, and once you, the amateur, realize this, and stop folding said hand, you will finally find that drastic improvement in your game.

11/11/2005 4:45:06 AM

I won the world series of poker by only playing hands where i had 63 off.

11/11/2005 5:25:00 AM

does the winner of that tournament get a bracelet jon?

11/11/2005 7:22:48 AM

Jon please try to cash at one of those televised ones....

I wanna be able to point to the Tivo and say, that I used to play with you for 5 dollars and that I won the first multitable tourney at nitros.

11/11/2005 10:46:07 AM

why do europeans love to limp raise with aces utg?

11/11/2005 12:00:31 PM

POKER STORIES ARE SO INTERESTING!

11/11/2005 12:02:26 PM

Game # 164056700 - 2-7 Triple Draw Fixed Limit EUR 0,25/0,50 - Table "Bridgeport"
Game ended 2005-11-11 21:28:24 GMT+01:00

Players:
noidroid (EUR 877,50 in seat 1)
Bionicle (EUR 17,68 in seat 3)
gunsan40 (EUR 10,00 in seat 4)
Fyrtaliess (EUR 5,97 in seat 5)
MrsFish (EUR 699,75 in seat 6)

Dealer: Fyrtaliess
Small Blind: MrsFish (0,15)
Big Blind: noidroid (0,25)
Blind out of turn: gunsan40 (0,25)

MrsFish was dealt: 3c - 9h - Tc - 4h - 7s

Bionicle Call (0,25)
gunsan40 Check
Fyrtaliess Call (0,25)
MrsFish Call (0,10)
noidroid Check

MrsFish changed 2 cards: 3c - Kd - 9c - 4h - 7s from 3c - (9h) - (Tc) - 4h - 7s
noidroid changed 3 cards
Bionicle changed 3 cards
gunsan40 changed 4 cards
Fyrtaliess changed 2 cards

MrsFish Check
noidroid Bet (0,25)
Bionicle Call (0,25)
gunsan40 Fold
Fyrtaliess Call (0,25)
MrsFish Call (0,25)

MrsFish changed 2 cards: 3c - 5h - 8h - 4h - 7s from 3c - (9h) - (Tc) - 4h - 7s
noidroid changed 1 card
Bionicle changed 2 cards
Fyrtaliess changed 2 cards

MrsFish Bet (0,50)
noidroid Call (0,50)
Bionicle Call (0,50)
Fyrtaliess Call (0,50)

MrsFish stood pat: 3c - 5h - 8h - 4h - 7s
noidroid changed 1 card
Bionicle stood pat
Fyrtaliess changed 1 card

MrsFish Bet (0,50)
noidroid Call (0,50)
Bionicle Call (0,50)
Fyrtaliess Fold

MrsFish shows: 3c - 5h - 8h - 4h - 7s (8,7,5,4,3)
noidroid shows: 4d - 5d - 2c - 3s - 8s (8,5,4,3,2)
Bionicle didn't show: 2h - 3d - 8d - 7c - 4s (8,7,4,3,2)

noidroid wins: EUR 5,50 (with 8,5,4,3,2)
Rake: EUR 0,25



GRRR!!!!



ahahah this is fun

the hand isnt that interesting, look at the top.



[Edited on November 11, 2005 at 3:32 PM. Reason : weqr]

11/11/2005 3:31:44 PM