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"I can't wait for UNC to try and say that Willingham's research was bogus because players were intentionally tanking the tests. "

hahahahahhahaha

[Edited on November 10, 2014 at 8:32 PM. Reason : new page]

11/10/2014 8:31:58 PM

wouldn't shock me in the least to see something to that effect quoted in the IC thread

[Edited on November 10, 2014 at 10:05 PM. Reason : . ]

11/10/2014 10:05:26 PM

^^
LOL. I wouldn't put it past them to do that. Seriously.

11/10/2014 10:16:06 PM

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""Our track record is pretty doggone good," Williams told a Charlotte radio station on Aug. 15, 2012. "And our track record has been pretty doggone good for 15 years at Kansas, nine years at North Carolina. And we know how much we emphasize the academic side in the basketball office. We know what our guys are majoring in. We know -- every day we're in touch with those kids. So it's something, again, that I'm very proud of.""

So which way is it Roy? You knew they were in fake paper classes or not?

11/10/2014 10:26:49 PM

Didnt see it on here yet, but this is a pretty big link in my opinion.

Tydreke Powell commented yesterday that he and other athletes were sent to Durham to take some mental aptitude tests. The UNC staff told them to purposely get all the answers wrong so that they would be entitled to extra assistance from tutors. If they can't pass the basic reasoning tests they were given, they get extra time for exams, tutors can read their tests to them, things like that.

Well.... some of the PP folks are connecting the dots. It looks like Catinia Farrington, who is the girlfriend/business partner of Fats Thomas, works at a Durham facility that administers tests like this. Not sure if she is connected or not, but it wouldnt surprise me.

If so, then this scandal has come full circle and is connected all the way around

11/11/2014 10:06:41 PM

oh lawd

11/11/2014 10:35:45 PM

This is so awesome.

11/11/2014 10:45:10 PM

didn't she also have one of the rental cars in her name too?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2013/07/09/north-carolina-pj-hairston-haydn-fats-thomas-rental-car-parking-tickets/2502181/

[Edited on November 11, 2014 at 11:00 PM. Reason : yep]

11/11/2014 10:50:07 PM

Plz let it be true

11/11/2014 10:57:53 PM

One of my favorite things about this scandal is going on Facebook, seeing a State/Duke post a link/status about this and then seeing all the Carolina fans throwing out things like 'everyone's just jealous', 'everyone does it', 'the Carolina Way is still as strong as ever', etc.

11/11/2014 11:02:16 PM

https://twitter.com/ICMeltdown

I'm hooked on this twitter feed presently.

11/11/2014 11:04:52 PM

I'm just gonna leave this here:

http://chapelboro.com/columns/sports-notebook/arts-angle-egg-uncs-face/

11/12/2014 11:51:37 AM

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you today's Daily Tar Heel cover:

11/12/2014 11:57:35 AM

I don't even know how to begin criticizing that dogshit of an article

11/12/2014 12:18:14 PM

Deflect, deflect, deflect. The Carolina Way.

11/12/2014 12:18:18 PM

Art is responding to the comments on that article too. Lots of fun. He's in the "real world".

11/12/2014 12:23:41 PM

^^^^ I thought it was a dumb episode in American history, but the Editorial Board's headline reminds me of John McCain berating Donald Fehr during the baseball steroid meetings in Congress:

"Do you not get it?"

There is a minimum level of aptitude and academic achievement that is required for any individual to be a student at a university able to progress on and graduate with a degree in his or her chosen field. Part of these requirements that university require of all students is that they do their own work and put forth an honest effort. THAT'S IT!

Athletics has absolutely nothing to deal with that statement at all. If the Daily Tar Heel Editorial Board think the above statement is too difficult for student-athletes, then they are stating one of two things, or both:

1.) The student-athletes in question should have never been admitted to the university.
2.) The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill should not have varsity athletics programs.

[Edited on November 12, 2014 at 12:34 PM. Reason : .]

11/12/2014 12:31:03 PM

^^^^
The article as of itself may have a point. NCAA needs reform. "Student" athletes need more time to graduate so they can focus on sports during eligibilty, and on studies later(if they don't get drafted). But if the article somehow ties that in to suggest UNC not be punished, then its horsehit of course. But credit to DTH, they have been surprisingly critical of UNC during this whole scandal

[Edited on November 12, 2014 at 12:34 PM. Reason : ]

11/12/2014 12:32:32 PM

But they're suggesting we admit "students" to universities to play sports...and then not expect them to attend class and even attempt an education.

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"A major reason that I feel so connected to Tar Heel athletics (and thus make an effort to attend games, etc) is because our athletes attend Carolina as much as I do."

LOL, that guy doesn't even realize how hilarious (and true, for most of their fanbase) his comment is

11/12/2014 12:36:02 PM

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"NCAA needs reform."

The NCAA does need reform. But what the fuck does that have to deal with this scandal where Chapel Hill is at the point their accreditation is under review and could be threatened (which would financially cripple the university)? The NCAA has absolutely nothing to deal with that. This is not something stupid like free shoes, this is academic fraud which throws into question the integrity of degrees given to all UNC students, including the ones that don't give a shit about the basketball team.

[Edited on November 12, 2014 at 12:42 PM. Reason : .]

11/12/2014 12:36:55 PM

but..but...but...but, PRESSURE TO SUCCEED!!!!1111

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"I wonder if you even read the report before making those claims?"

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"But it didn't spread past AFAM"

LOL. I suppose he didn't read it, either, considering the scope of the report was the AFAM department.

[Edited on November 12, 2014 at 12:43 PM. Reason : ]

11/12/2014 12:38:52 PM

Sorry if this Dan Kane article from this weekend was already posted, i missed it:

http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/11/08/4305374/2005-unc-basketball-champs-2-semesters.html

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"During the season that the UNC men’s basketball team made its run to the 2005 NCAA championship, its players accounted for 35 enrollments in classes that didn’t meet and yielded easy, high grades awarded by the architect of the university’s academic scandal."

11/12/2014 1:04:26 PM

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"But they're suggesting we admit "students" to universities to play sports...and then not expect them to attend class and even attempt an education."

Right. That's what's absurd about that argument. There are admission standards to get into these universities for athletes. They are admitted on the basis that they are students.

And sure...we can argue about how that maybe isn't the best way to do it. But UNC knows the rules. Blatantly cheated and broke the rules for at least 18 years..and then complains about the rules?

11/12/2014 4:08:22 PM

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120245/fire-roy-williams-unc-scandal-could-have-been-much-worse

Can we discuss how fucking idiotic and ignorant the sub-header is on this article:

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"UNC Shouldn't Fire Coach Roy Williams for the Fake-Classes Scandal. It Could Have Been Much, Much Worse."

I wish my job worked like that. "Hey man, we know you fucked up and probably should be fired. But now that we think of it, you could've fucked up way worse, so congrats you aren't fired"

11/12/2014 4:14:46 PM

Roy's hometown newspaper:

http://www.citizen-times.com/story/sports/2014/11/11/roy-williams-tar-heels-stripped-title/18857879/

11/12/2014 4:30:58 PM

I'm looking forward to the "hey, he didn't rape a bunch of little boys" argument that surely has to be next on the PR talking points.

11/12/2014 4:32:03 PM

i've said before that i'm not above wanting UNC to literally close its doors b/c of this... but i'll go ahead and say it y'all: i wouldn't be at all sad if roy williams had a heart attack from all the stress. b/c honestly, the dude has to be sweating bullets every hour of the day.

11/12/2014 4:46:10 PM

You mean "surprised", not "sad", right? lol

11/12/2014 4:47:45 PM

maybe i should've said i won't be sad when he has a heart attack.

whether he really has one or not, he's got to come up w/ some sort of medical excuse to quit before next season, right? i'll be amazed if he finishes this season, but then again he's never done anything to hurt a player, not one day in his life.

11/12/2014 4:49:53 PM

no, he said he's never done anything wrong, ever.

11/12/2014 4:52:00 PM

UNC needs to decide if they want to preserve their athletic legacy, or their esteemed academic reputation.

They can salvage one of those two with some decisive reform, but not both.



I'm actually looking forward to this thing splitting the academic and athletic communities within the university. That is going to be a hoot. So far they're pretty unified. But we all know the in-fighting is just around the bend. Om-nom-nom-nom it's gonna be GREAT.

We need someone to pose as a "concerned UNC student" to write an editorial in the DTH about restoring the academic honor of the university by de-emphasizing athletics. Get that debate publicly going to counter the PR machine's unified message.

Let's get this party started.




[Edited on November 12, 2014 at 5:02 PM. Reason : ]

11/12/2014 4:52:26 PM

Put someone like jim Boeheim in this situation and he wouldn't give a fuck trying to convince people. And then there's Roy "boasting" about grad rates, APR and not having done anything wrong in his life. I hope that slimy fucke loses his titles...

[Edited on November 12, 2014 at 5:00 PM. Reason : ]

11/12/2014 4:54:39 PM

All I know is the interview with Oprah where Roy Williams finally spills all the beans will be the greatest thing ever.

11/12/2014 5:45:30 PM

Being an NCAA investigator has to be one of the cushiest jobs there is.

As far as I can tell, they barely do anything other than rely on 3rd party information before randomly deciding how to approach punishments.

11/12/2014 6:05:45 PM

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" I'm just gonna leave this here: http://chapelboro.com/columns/sports-notebook/arts-angle-egg-uncs-face/ "

the comments in this article were a great read, hehheh

11/12/2014 9:52:27 PM

The Matt Nicholson guy ran circles around cross eyed Art

[Edited on November 12, 2014 at 10:16 PM. Reason : ]

11/12/2014 10:16:29 PM

Best thing I heard today was a guy emailing David Glenn to ask why we're listening to Tydreke Powell when he's a "so-called college graduate who can't even speak properly."

Uhhhh, that's the point. He was given a bogus education.

11/13/2014 3:36:20 AM

lololol

from the comments

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"Hearing people that for years espoused "the Carolina way", and brag about how smart their athletes were because of their grad rates and APR's, now trying to justify the worst assault on academics since the destruction of the Great Library in Alexandria...is both nauseating and humorous at the same time. "

11/13/2014 6:42:33 AM

^^ no longer live in the area, how has David Glenn been covering this?

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"Right. That's what's absurd about that argument. There are admission standards to get into these universities for athletes. They are admitted on the basis that they are students. "

And considering how often we're told the competitiveness of admissions into Chapel Hill, there's a lot of good high school grads that were declined for admission that would take the spots. Probably even a few that actually wanted to learn Swahili.

[Edited on November 13, 2014 at 7:31 AM. Reason : .]

11/13/2014 7:27:44 AM

^NO longer live in the area either, but when I did I seemed to hear DG say lot of "this goes on everywhere, folks" and stuff like that.

11/13/2014 8:12:44 AM

^ There's nothing stopping David Glenn from spilling the beans on those schools. Produce the evidence.

11/13/2014 8:31:37 AM

Sure, a lot of what he talked about does go on everywhere. There are easier courses that athletes know to take, and when you walk into a freshman level elective and see an athlete, you know its an easy one. Athletes at every school get free passes. However I think we can definitively say that they do not get free semesters at every school. One thing is getting an easy course here and there, being allowed to miss extra classes, having extended deadlines... but what went on at Carolina does not go down everywhere.

11/13/2014 8:35:24 AM

really really really sick of "it happens everywhere"

ok so even if it does. they are the ones that got caught, and attention needs to stay on them.

11/13/2014 8:40:03 AM

When I was a was in school I had a work study working for the academic support staff so I at least have a little bit of first hand experience here. Sure the staff there figures out what classes are best to take to give guys the best chance to stay eligible. There are no free classes however.

Due to the fact I got to see what classes athletes were being assigned to I of course took advantage and took a few myself. My best comparison is those classes were equivalent to high school classes. If you showed up and could memorize stuff you were in good shape. If you didnt ever show up to class or if you didnt at least spend a couple hours memorizing things you still would fail the class. Yes they were easier than just about every other course I took, but they still required work and for you to learn some stuff.

Also, unlike your regular students, the athletes were getting constant updates from professors on their progress. Several times a semester we would get reports about where they stood and if they were coming to class. There were people specifically hired to follow the ones around who werent at least showing up and making sure they did. Guys who werent doing well or werent showing up ended up having to spend extra hours in study hall with tutors and the coaches were in the loop as well for disciplining guys who werent at least showing up for class.

Based on my experience that is what I generally expect happens at most schools for athletes. It was so far away from what happened over at UNC though its mind boggling how they continue to even try to justify it.

11/13/2014 8:46:38 AM

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"really really really sick of "it happens everywhere" ok so even if it does. they are the ones that got caught, and attention needs to stay on them. "

Everyone speeds on the highway...

It's just the one's who push it too far that got clocked

11/13/2014 8:55:37 AM

I mean I had a sociology class where the actual exams were the practice exams straight from the book. No football or basketball players in that class though. A smoking hot volleyball player was though. Pretty much the only thing that made Dr. Islam's class bearable.

11/13/2014 9:04:31 AM

I was in an AFAM class at State of about 30-40 students...there were like 4 basketball players in there, a couple football players, a few women's bball players too. And that class was a complete joke. Me and like 3 friends all got A's or A+ in there. I don't recall ever having tests. But we pretty regularly had presentations to make. Maybe once a week or once every two weeks we had group and individual presentations. And homework (admittedly, on like a high school level) at least once a week. Our final project was an individual project that we had to present in front of other sections of the class and other AFAM professors. So while it was a really easy class, there was legitimate work required. The athletes went to class regularly...maybe even more than I did. Some days a manager would wait at the door and make the players sign in before class.

This was by far the easiest class I ever took. But it was a far cry from any kind of paper class or no-show class like what has gone on at UNC. We actually had to do work. And it was graded pretty leniently. But it's not like you could turn in recycled papers and/or just not do work.

I guess my point is...yeah there are easy courses everywhere. And athletes definitely know about these classes and benefit from them. Perhaps I'm incredibly naive but i just don't believe that no-show or paper classes exist everywhere.

[Edited on November 13, 2014 at 9:22 AM. Reason : ll]

11/13/2014 9:20:30 AM

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"how has David Glenn been covering this?"

longwindedly

11/13/2014 9:29:56 AM

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"I guess my point is...yeah there are easy courses everywhere. And athletes definitely know about these classes and benefit from them. Perhaps I'm incredibly naive but i just don't believe that no-show or paper classes exist everywhere."

Agreed. The class I took with a lot of athletes was Bees and Beekeeping. But there was still work to do and still a final. But doggone was that an easy class. Apparently it's now available online.

As an aside, Professor Ambrose was pretty amazing, and I still remember most of what I learned in that class, which is more than I can say for many other lectures.

[Edited on November 13, 2014 at 9:38 AM. Reason : ]

11/13/2014 9:32:22 AM

I had Will Roach in my English class my freshman year. Didn't realize he was a basketball player til the end of the semester, so he acted like a normal student. Think that was it for classes with athletes that I knew were athletes, though I was in engineering.

[Edited on November 13, 2014 at 9:40 AM. Reason : /]

11/13/2014 9:38:58 AM