i thought he was gonna die

it was obviously an homage to gradiator. some of the camera shots were completely identical.

11/17/2005 2:57:19 AM

bad ass.

i thought octavian was going to cut that bitch's throat right there.

[Edited on November 20, 2005 at 9:52 PM. Reason : sdf]

11/20/2005 9:51:59 PM

Sucks verinas' wife killed herself, I was pretty sure he wouldn't kill her or the son.

11/20/2005 9:52:24 PM

Holy fucking shit that wasnt expected!


WTF is varinus gonna do now? Dumb Bitch killed herself

11/20/2005 9:58:06 PM

any idea if there will be a second season?

if not i dont like that ending

i can accept cesar dying, but verinus didnt deserve that

11/20/2005 10:04:35 PM

Lucius Vorenus is the correct spelling of the character's name.

11/20/2005 10:09:50 PM

What I want to know is what are some possible plot directions(other than the obvious historical ones). Anyone have any thoughts?

[Edited on November 20, 2005 at 10:14 PM. Reason : dasdasd]

11/20/2005 10:14:21 PM

Eirene seemed a bit too forgiving towards Pullo at the end, which I did not like. Perhaps the writers did it in an attempt to balance out the tragedies that occured?

11/21/2005 4:48:34 AM

did she kill herself, or just fall

11/21/2005 8:52:16 AM

She killed herself; it looked pretty obvious as she lept over the edge.

As for Eirene, how do we know she isn't going to put a knife in Pullo's back later?

11/21/2005 10:02:11 AM

she definitly killed herself

11/21/2005 10:02:25 AM

Eirene will end up dead. The soldiers cant live as normal people.

11/21/2005 8:13:08 PM

season 2 will start in 2007

11/21/2005 9:53:36 PM

Ouch~! With that kind of gap, they're going to lose a lot of momentum.

11/22/2005 9:58:06 AM

Its HBO thats how they do their shows.

11/22/2005 9:59:39 AM

holy shit that was intense

11/22/2005 11:35:38 AM

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"As for Eirene, how do we know she isn't going to put a knife in Pullo's back later?"

i missed this whole bit, why is she upset with him?

11/22/2005 11:40:40 AM

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"i missed this whole bit, why is she upset with him?"

Something about smashing her fiance's head into a stone column because Pullo got pissed when he found out she was engaged.

11/22/2005 11:43:05 AM

ah, that ought to do it

11/22/2005 12:05:40 PM

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"What I want to know is what are some possible plot directions(other than the obvious historical ones). Anyone have any thoughts?"

My guesses:

*Vorenus and Pullo will become military/political advisors for Octavian.
*After Octavian and Marc Antony sieze power, Servilia (or her relatives) will be beheaded along with many others.
*Both Vorenus and Pullo will play a military role at the Battle of Actium where Octavian defeats Marc Anthony and Cleopatra.

By the way, Marc Antony will follow through on his promise to Cicero. The little prick deserved it anyway.

11/22/2005 5:11:29 PM

Yeah Cicero was being an ass to Vorenus.

One thing that wasn't cool -- they left out Caesar's famous last words!!!

"Et tu, Brute?" is supposed to be one of the most famous quotes in all of history. Anyway, beware the Ides of March.

11/22/2005 9:56:41 PM

^actually, they did good by cutting away and leaving it inaudible -- much better to have the audience imagine caesar whisper it with his last breath. it would be lame to have him recite that shit like it were some high school play.

[Edited on November 22, 2005 at 11:19 PM. Reason : plus they wouldnt have to deal with do they say it in english or latin]

11/22/2005 11:18:43 PM

^ I have to agree. The writers really showed their independence from popular expectations by omitting those words. It's a good thing.

11/23/2005 2:58:02 AM

I can see what you mean about that. I must say that the scene where they killed him was supremely done. I kind of expected Mark Antony to do more but it still worked great.

11/23/2005 1:00:42 PM

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""Et tu, Brute?" "

Isn't that mostly a Shakespearean artifact? He might not have even said that.

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"scene where they killed him was supremely done"

agreed.

and having the backdrop of Naomi & Vorenus...very intense.

11/23/2005 2:15:24 PM

Quote :

"My guesses: *Vorenus and Pullo will become military/political advisors for Octavian. *After Octavian and Marc Antony sieze power, Servilia (or her relatives) will be beheaded along with many others. *Both Vorenus and Pullo will play a military role at the Battle of Actium where Octavian defeats Marc Anthony and Cleopatra. By the way, Marc Antony will follow through on his promise to Cicero. The little prick deserved it anyway. "

All of that sounds very reasonable. Octavian has found them to be friends and it would make since to bring them close to him.

Octavian 2008!

11/23/2005 3:40:36 PM

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"I can see what you mean about that. I must say that the scene where they killed him was supremely done."

Agreed. I thought the most powerful moment of the scene was where Caesar tried to conceal his stab wounds with his toga--very humanizing.

***

Anyway, now that the season has ended, what are your thoughts on the Caesar? Would you side with him? Or with the Senators? (by that, I don't the mean assasinatation plot) I think the series did a superb job showing the pros and cons of each faction.


***
On a side note, I received a copy of Cicero's work "A Life Well Spent" recently. After watching the series, it puts things in a whole new light.



[Edited on November 23, 2005 at 4:06 PM. Reason : edit]

11/23/2005 4:04:52 PM

Quote :

"they left out Caesar's famous last words!!! "Et tu, Brute?" is supposed to be one of the most famous quotes in all of history."

They put in the one I wanted "Sic Semper Tyrannis", but it was translated into english, like "et tu", would have been too, I don't think it would have been as good of a scene had they thrown in the "You too Brutus?". I liked it, although I always imagined Ceasar fighting off his attacks untill stabbed by Brutus.

11/23/2005 5:04:11 PM

ceasar dies?!

11/24/2005 2:43:17 AM

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"I liked it, although I always imagined Ceasar fighting off his attacks untill stabbed by Brutus."

I thought he put up a spirited defense considering he was mobbed by a bunch of people with daggers. I thought him catching the knife with his bare hand showed defiance.

11/24/2005 5:21:11 PM

cesar's death wa so brutal.

could some history buff explain exactly who cesar was? was he a tyrant or not? i couldnt get a picture of that from the series. they made his death kinda tradgic...

[Edited on November 24, 2005 at 6:05 PM. Reason : -]

11/24/2005 6:05:19 PM

no, what's tragic is your stupidity

11/24/2005 6:43:30 PM

you call that wit? ive never taken a history course. i decided to major in a different area.

[Edited on November 24, 2005 at 7:01 PM. Reason : -]

11/24/2005 6:59:46 PM

is romes hbo show any worse than his espn one?

11/24/2005 7:38:47 PM

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"could some history buff explain exactly who cesar was?"

I'm no history buff, but ceasar was a great leader who expanded and unified rome. He was killed for taking political power from the rich and attempting to give it to all his citizens. I think there was a great line in this miniseries "I believe the senate should contain the greatest men in Italy, not just the richest men in Rome".

11/24/2005 10:33:02 PM

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" was he a tyrant or not?"

It depends on your point of view. The people and working class of Rome liked him because he listened to them and was overall a good and effective leader. But he achieved this by use of force (obviously), so pretty much anyone who stood in his way was killed.

11/24/2005 10:34:29 PM

Not neccesarily.

He'd have killed his attackers long ago had that been his approach. He was a tyrant in the Greek sense of the word, but he wasn't a despot.

11/24/2005 10:42:45 PM

Octavian will exterminate all of the senators, and he is considered rome's best, most benevolent ruler.

11/25/2005 12:40:36 AM

I'll take Caligula anyday !

jk

11/25/2005 2:49:14 AM

can somebody send me a torrent link for ep 4 please?

11/25/2005 7:05:54 PM

http://www.mybittorrent.com/bittorrent/television/rome_s01e04_hdtv_xvid-loki,32795.html

8 trackers -- do use the multitorrent

[Edited on November 25, 2005 at 7:09 PM. Reason : -]

11/25/2005 7:09:11 PM

thanks

11/25/2005 7:11:06 PM

There will be no new Rome for a long time

11/25/2005 10:48:54 PM

Very happy with the show. Can't wait until second season.

11/27/2005 3:41:32 PM