yeah, I wish I found that site a long time ago

5/15/2007 4:54:44 PM

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"now that was a damn good read..."

5/15/2007 5:07:05 PM

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"Any righting of this universe's moral scales will be incidental. Tony's been living an expedient life for too long. If he was going to change, he would have done it. He's been going down this road forever. He's had too many close calls to count. Each time, he hears some version of Heidi and Kennedy in his head, Kennedy saying, "Let's go back," and Heidi saying, "No." Heidi is driving."

indeed

5/15/2007 5:12:30 PM

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"I think too many people are expecting this to end with an all-out mob war."

i do not see anything wrong with that

5/15/2007 7:02:04 PM

To be honest, I can see how Tony can cause it to happen to himself through self destruction. But in doing that, I am betting it will come to some sort of shooting incident. If it doesnt. Fuck this season

5/15/2007 7:04:58 PM

YEAH

EVERYONE HAS TO GO OUT IN A BLAZE OF GLORY OR THIS SHOW TOTALLY SUCKS

YOU PEOPLE

5/15/2007 7:43:03 PM

I mean seriously, ok, he gets caught and goes to jail

wow, what a dramatic ending....

5/15/2007 8:12:41 PM

I don't think anything will happen to tony physically by season end. The only thing that will happen is the pretty image of tony soprano as a semi-respectable human from the first 5 seasons is quickly being destroyed with an image of him as the ruthless mobster he has become. It's very similar to what happened in the Godfather saga.

5/15/2007 9:50:17 PM

what is tony yelling out at the end of the episode during the sunrise scene? I thought he yelled out "I did it!", but most reviews are quoting him as saying "I get it!". "I did it" would make more sense to me, seeing as how he was trying to say that subconsciously throughout the entire episode about Chris' death.

5/15/2007 11:02:16 PM

he said i get it.... referring to he needs to take a step back so that he doesnt lose control

5/15/2007 11:05:27 PM

I seriously doubt that's what he meant. if he did say "I get it", it's probably because peyote makes a lot of people think they have found some sort of understanding of life's problems through the drug. Unfortunately, that is rarely the case. Tony isn't going to change a thing about the way he goes through life.

5/16/2007 9:15:04 AM

he definitely said i get it, and it's definitely b/c of the drugs. but that was why ^^ he said it...he wants to go back to his ducks and tomatoes.

5/16/2007 9:32:18 AM

I don't buy that for one second.

5/16/2007 9:33:50 AM

want and action are two different things...he probably won't--all signs point to that. but that was the meaning behind his peyote revelation.

do you have another reason on why he might have said "i get it"? i mean the parallels between the coma and that episode lead to that conclusion...it's another "life is a gift" bullshit

[Edited on May 16, 2007 at 9:38 AM. Reason : ]

5/16/2007 9:37:45 AM

if he did in fact say "I get it", it's because he understands why he chose to go towards the light and keep his briefcase when he was in the coma instead of go away from it and head off towards his family with his alter-ego and cousin, tony B. Family has lost the importance to him that it once had. He doesn't want his innocent ducks or a simple life - he wants the gangster lifestyle. That's what makes him who he is, and he's finally coming to terms with it.

5/16/2007 10:01:04 AM

Looking at the HBO schedule we will have to wait at least 4 weeks to see the ending. They are going to give up their spot to "I lost my heart at wounded knee" in two weeks. God I hate HBO sometimes because they just want to delay the ending of this show because they know they really do not have anything that can take it's place.

And yes I was wrong about the Chris spin off. Can't get everything right.

5/16/2007 10:03:59 AM

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"They are going to give up their spot to "I lost my heart at wounded knee" in two weeks."

Good, that's memorial day weekend

and eleusis that's true...it may be the opposite of what we think. either way, he definitely said "i get it" hahaha what he "got" or didn't "get" we'll find out later...

[Edited on May 16, 2007 at 10:22 AM. Reason : ]

5/16/2007 10:21:48 AM

I think the "I get it!"(and yes, that's what he yelled) was a reversal of the "each day is a gift". Tony fed his instincts and put away some of the Melfi "bullshit" and got back to being Tony. And it paid off (pun intended). He's rid of Chrissy, his luck is back, he's having the time of his life, etc.

He's in hell (devil symbol in casino, red sunset, etc.) and he's loving it. Fuck each day is a gift and owning your emotions and all that bullshit. Tony now gets it.

5/16/2007 10:38:35 AM

this is very Scorcese and Copolla -esque

in the end everyone turns on everyone

5/16/2007 12:26:09 PM

Kennedy, I'm on my learner's permit after dark

5/16/2007 12:28:09 PM

I think everyone is being a little too 10th grade literature class thematic about this whole thing.

OK, so he said ''i get it'', isn't going to spark some radical behaivor or change in Tony. He's high, he just killed his '2nd' son, its the sun. He's emoting.

Next episode will continue the trainwreck that is, and David Chase continues to write Tony's chracter into the ground to remind us that he's as despicable as the whole outfit is. Outside of Meadow, AJ, Carm (a little bit), Bobby, and Melfi - the whole lot is a big turd.

5/16/2007 12:36:14 PM

so last week was chris's episode...bobby's episode had him popping his murder cherry...junior's episode finished with him sitting outside at the old folks home...whose episode will be next? aj's potential suicide attempt? maybe somehow carmella dies? phil?

5/16/2007 12:44:45 PM

i think paulie's episode is coming up next


dunno why, i just do

5/16/2007 12:58:16 PM

i think paulie's was the one where they went out of town to lay low about that body under the house...i think paulie's fate was simply being the wiseguy he is and remaining that same guy

5/16/2007 1:06:19 PM

^.

5/16/2007 2:45:33 PM

What ever happened to Artie Buco?

5/16/2007 2:55:50 PM

he might come soon, while not as big of a character, Benny just came back for the first time last week.

5/16/2007 5:36:46 PM

Silvio's due to create a major plot twist. You could tell from the last episode by watching his facial expressions when Tony spoke that Silvio knew Chris didn't just die from the wreck alone. He might suspect that Tony either caused the wreck or killed him afterwards.

5/16/2007 6:26:25 PM

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"i think paulie's was the one where they went out of town to lay low about that body under the house"

yeah.. good point...

silvio's been pretty quiet recently though.. maybe he's due?

[Edited on May 16, 2007 at 7:23 PM. Reason : ^ha... didn't even read that post above me.... ]

5/16/2007 7:23:01 PM

i wonder if each time he survives another close call, be it avoiding jail or surviving a fatal wound, he is descending into another level of Dante's Inferno.

the 9th layer being that of betrayal. i wonder if him killing Chris is really betrayal, or if he's just doing his Machiavellian duty and reducing a major liability.

I can't help getting all 10th grade literature class about this either...

5/17/2007 5:42:08 AM

Hello,
Is there anybody in there
Just nod if you can hear me
Is there anyone at home
Come on now
I hear you're feeling down
I can ease your pain
And get you on your feet again
Relax
I'll need some information first
Just the basic facts
Can you show me where it hurts

There is no pain, you are receding
A distant ship smoke on the horizon
You are only coming through in waves
Your lips move but I can't hear what you're saying
When I was a child I had a fever
My hands felt just like two balloons
Now I've got that feeling once again
I can't explain, you would not understand
This is not how I am
I have become comfortably numb

O.K.
Just a little pin prick
There'll be no more aaaaaaaah!
But you may feel a little sick
Can you stand up?
I do believe it's working, good
That'll keep you going through the show
Come on it's time to go.

There is no pain you are receding
A distant ship smoke on the horizon
You are only coming through in waves
Your lips move but I can't hear what you're saying
When I was a child
I caught a fleeting glimpse
Out of the corner of my eye
I turned to look but it was gone
I cannot put my finger on it now
The child is grown
The dream is gone
And I have become
Comfortably numb

The lyrics basically sum it up for me.

5/17/2007 11:46:02 AM

5/17/2007 1:39:16 PM

bttt for tonight's episode!

5/20/2007 6:20:46 PM

anthony jr is an idiot.

5/20/2007 9:28:58 PM

that's all i got

5/20/2007 9:57:23 PM

Time for Phil to go and Carmine to step up

5/20/2007 9:59:00 PM

i'm pumped for these final 2 episodes, that curbing was crazy

5/20/2007 9:59:22 PM

Fucking hell I can't believe he curb stomped that guy. Felt like Gears of Sopranos.

5/20/2007 10:38:44 PM

i thought the "i get it" thing was because tony got the fact that his luck was changing because he got rid of Chris...

anyways, you knew Anthony was going to kill himself, but i suspected he would follow through, i like how they did it much better. It fits Anthony's character that he tried, but it was more of a cry for help...perfect

if tony ever should have killed anyone, he should have killed the dude who made an unnecessary sexual advance towards his daughter...really bad how that guy lived...in another season, he would have been killed i think

5/20/2007 10:49:32 PM

yeah i didn't quite understand what phil was sooo upset about. oh well i hope next week brings an all out mob war

5/20/2007 11:01:10 PM

Tony did that to Coco because it was a punishment worse than death. He hints around to that when he's talking to Carmine.

5/20/2007 11:12:45 PM

You don't kill a made guy unless you have permission. Especially not a made guy in a rival family.

5/20/2007 11:43:19 PM

10 bucks on tony losing a family member before this is all said and done with. prolly a mistake from a hit on his life, but i don't think he gets it - but has to live with a sacrificed family member.

My bets on Meadow. Not sure how but I have a really sneaky suspicion about it. After all, she is the best thing he has in his life bar none. Plus that would just be shocking.

5/20/2007 11:55:36 PM

^yes, and what has she had happen to her? everyone has had something negative happen to them

5/21/2007 2:07:49 AM

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"WARNING: This column contains major plot spoilers for last night's "Sopranos" episode. Sometimes, it's not the fire that burns you. It's the juices. Two episodes ago, in "Walk Like a Man," Tony suggested that Chris pull a steak off the barbecue because it would continue to cook in its own juices, even away from the flame. At the time, it was an apt metaphor for the growing resentment Chris and Tony were feeling for each other in the aftermath of Adriana's death. But it applies even more to last night's "The Second Coming," where nearly every character is stewing in the juices of some very old beef. Phil is still after Tony about the ancient murder of his brother Billy; he makes a not-so-veiled reference to it when he says of Chris' widow that grief takes longer the closer the dead person was to you. A.J. botches a suicide attempt, then tries to justify it with sob stories from seasons past. Carmela finally unloads on Tony, not only for passing on "The Soprano Curse" to their son, but because she's tired of hearing about his depression: "You have any idea what it's like to spend day after day with somebody who is constantly complaining?" When talk of A.J.'s near-fatal plunge into the Soprano family pool leads some of the other Family captains to acknowledge their own children's shaky mental health, Paulie suggests it's all the toxins these kids have been exposed to for their entire lives (in an episode where Tony's guys are still dumping asbestos into the Meadowlands). In this environment, it doesn't matter when the initial exposure or tragedy was; it stays with you for years, maybe your whole life. A.J. tries to kill himself -- in the pool where Tony's beloved ducks once represented his desire for a happy family -- after too much time studying the W.B. Yeats poem that lends its title to the episode. It's the second time someone on the show has quoted it; in season five's "Cold Cuts," Melfi used the famous "Things fall apart" line with Tony, and Yeats' bleak outlook on the future of civilization applies to this whole season. The center of Tony's world -- the men he loved and trusted most -- is coming undone. Bacala. Junior. Paulie. Hesh. Chris. Either humiliated or marginalized or dead at Tony's hands. The week after killing his surrogate son, Tony barely gets home in time to save his actual son's life, in one of the more harrowing sequences the show's ever done. And then there's Phil. Question: If you locked Phil and Paulie in a room together, whose air of entitlement and martyrdom would suffocate the other one first? But where Paulie's too dumb and relatively low-ranking to cause much pain and suffering through his woe-is-me routine (save to the odd civilian like Minn Matrone or Jason Barone), Phil is just clever enough and far too powerful to be dismissed. No way his man Coco feels confident enough to harass Meadow, the daughter of a boss -- even the boss of Jersey -- unless he knows he'll get Phil's backing on it. Back in "Stage 5," Phil told Butchie he was done with compromises, and here he explains to Tony -- who's never done any significant prison time -- that in the can, "compromise" meant, at best, getting a very pale imitation of what you wanted. Phil won't compromise on the asbestos deal because he's itching for a war with Tony -- a war he's willing to wage only because of his huge manpower advantage. (Witness the way he hides from Tony and Little Carmine in the little turret of his suburban castle; he's a coward at heart.) But the show's built up to wars before -- both within New York and between New York and New Jersey -- and always backed off at the last minute. With only two episodes left, is there still time for one? Whatever happens over the final two hours, don't expect anyone to get out of the life. We've been told time and again over the last two years -- with Eugene and Vito and Chris -- that there's no escape from the Family, and "The Second Coming" provides even more reminders. Midway through the episode, Melfi's own therapist, the smug Dr. Kupferberg, tells her of a study suggesting not only that sociopaths can't be helped by traditional "talk therapy," but that it can make them worse, help them justify their worst traits. As omniscient viewers of the TV show, we know that Kupferberg has a point, that Tony usually lies too much to get anything useful out of Melfi (last week's dream session where he confessed to killing Pussy and Tony B. was more productive than most of the real ones), and that he sometimes uses her to map out strategy. Most times, he's running a scam on Melfi, which is why he's able to spot A.J.'s lame excuse-making in that endless family session with Dr. Vogel. But Tony -- who's not even bothering to hide his newfound Livia-ness with multiple "Poor you!"s -- does have the occasional moment of insight, as he does when explaining part of the meaning of his "I get it!" peyote revelation from last week. Mothers, he says, are like buses: "They're the vehicle that gets us here. They drop us off and go on their way, they continue on their journey, and our problem is we continue trying to get back on the bus instead of just let it go." Only someone with Livia for a parent would view motherhood that way, but the Family functions as a bus, too, one that everyone's either afraid or incapable of staying off for long. Meadow reveals that she's dating another son of a wiseguy (Patrick Parisi, whom Patsy had earlier acknowledged "can be a moody (expletive deleted) sometimes") and has now given up on med school in favor of becoming a lawyer -- two choices guaranteed to keep her involved in her father's lifestyle in some way. (Meadow being Meadow, she lets the man in her life talk her into it.) Meadow had her chance to get off the bus for good, but instead she's inching towards a lifetime bus pass. Carmela had two chances -- first when that elderly shrink told her to leave Tony, then when she actually threw him out -- and both times she couldn't do it. Vito drove home to his own death, so great was the pull of his old life. Adriana couldn't leave Christopher and died because of him. Chris in turn couldn't leave Tony, and now he's gone to Hell for him. Getting back to Yeats, one of the lines that transfixes A.J. is the notion that "the best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity." On this show, "best" is a relative term -- of the regular characters, Melfi's the only genuinely good person -- but there's no lack of contenders for "worst." And they're all filled with their own stupid, destructive passionate intensity, even if what made them passionate happened so long ago that -- like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that vexes A.J. so -- they can't really remember how the fire got started. But so long as those juices keep flowing, they'll keep cooking. Some other thoughts on "The Second Coming": -If you're Silvio Dante, will there ever be a more useful book to read than "How to Clean Practically Everything"? Maybe he can loan it to the waitstaff at Coco's restaurant. -Michael Imperioli remains in the opening credits, while Vince Curatola (Johnny Sack) has been gone for weeks. Show of respect to an original castmember, or hint that Chris will pop up in a dream sequence soon? -One of the readers of the Sopranos blog reminded me last week of Tony's story from "Soprano Home Movies" about the brain dead little boy who fell into a pool, and the season has been littered with talk of dead children and babies, including all of Tony's infant car seat references last week. So what does Tony say after he gets A.J. out of the pool? "You're all right, baby. You're all right." -What kind of finesse has to be involved in a curb-stomping like the one Tony gave Coco without actually killing him? -As usual, the show is taking Memorial Day weekend off, so the next new episode won't air until June 3, with the series finale on June 10. Alan Sepinwall may be reached at asepinwall@starledger.com"

http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/05/sopranos_rewind_the_second_com.html

5/21/2007 5:23:12 AM

Yeah when he curbed Coco I think that was the first time I shouted during the whole series. I was like OH DAMN!

5/21/2007 8:48:01 AM

i jumped out of my chair and looked away screaming "OH GOD!"

and the beatup face should now be known as the coco face

5/21/2007 8:53:38 AM

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"You don't kill a made guy unless you have permission. Especially not a made guy in a rival family. "

they have certain circumstances where killing a made guy is allowed without hesitation. This was definitely one of them. He was probably under the false impression that Phil and New York had his back, but he failed to realize that they are cowardly and not completely unified yet.

5/21/2007 9:58:34 AM

Get a mop.

5/21/2007 12:52:17 PM

"Time for Phil to go and Carmine to step up"

does little carmine have the brains to operate a family? i'm afraid not, though i've noticed his character has seemed to mature a bit. jeezus, him running NY would be like Dubya running 'merica.
still, I could see Tony aligning with carmine (if he still has any clout in ny or miami), as a possible scenario for the last 2 eps.

honestly though, i see NJ basically being whiped out, and then Phil goin back to the can for life at the end of the series. basically all the big players being taken out.

5/21/2007 12:56:22 PM