I do hand it that. How many nobel prizes and oscars will be handed out before the scam is realized?

Fortunately for these asswipes peddling this fear, they predict that "oh in 100 years or so we will see DISASTROUS EFFECTS of EPIC PROPORTIONS to the world" ...... which would be about 50 or 60 years after they're dead.


They'll never have to own up to the shit they're causing.

2/28/2007 4:38:30 PM

Chemistry-wise, carbon sequestration is real. But the impact it may or may not have isn't known. Plus the amount of co2 we can artificially remove from the air is miniscule compared to the amount of co2 that transfers from ocean/atmosphere and from all photosynthetic plants to the atmosphere every day

2/28/2007 4:41:09 PM

Quote :

"TerraPass is audited by the non-profit Center for Resource Solutions, creator of the Green-e program and the country's leading authority on renewable energy certification. These audits verify our purchases and help to ensure transparency and accountability."

i mean its all on their webpage, all you have to do is look

2/28/2007 4:53:49 PM

It's all a scam, guth, don't you understand?

2/28/2007 5:00:05 PM

Quote :

"Is TerraPass a non-profit initiative? No. We thought long and hard about this, as many social ventures do. Ultimately we decided that timely access to capital was a critical factor. By creating a for-profit structure, we have been able to attract financing in very short order to fund critical marketing programs and spread the word."

Like I said, sounds like a scam to me. They are audited by the same company who certifies almost all of the companies they fund. Thats a conflict of interest.

2/28/2007 5:31:34 PM

the main difference in oil companies and terrapass is that oil companies sell oil and terrapass sells co2 credits

financially they are both trying to make money

OMG THAT SCIENTIST WAS FUNDED BY TERRAPASS, THERE GOES HIS CREDIBILITY

i plugged my info into the terrapass site...heres what it suggested, fyi

Quote :

"Your car emits 11,445 lbs of CO2 per year. You should get an Out of Towner TerraPass. An Out of Towner TerraPass offsets 12,000 lbs of CO2, enough to balance one year of your driving. Vehicle:1998 Infiniti Q45 automatic transmission Mileage:18 mpg (city), 23 mpg (highway) Distance:12,000 miles per year Fuel use:585 gallons per year Emissions:11,445 lbs CO2 per year Out of Towner TerraPass 12,000 lbs CO2 offset Add to cart $49.95 for 1 year only $0.14 per day! includes tax & shipping"

[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 5:38 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 5:41 PM. Reason : http://www.terrapass.com btw]

2/28/2007 5:34:40 PM

http://www.green-e.org/docs/Green-e_National_Standard.v1.pdf

2/28/2007 5:42:55 PM

http://www.theinternet.com

2/28/2007 5:43:51 PM

Why should anybody take Gore seriously? Besides some of the outragious claims, the administration he was a part of had a horrible environmental record and he does nothing in his personal life to curb any of his environmental claims. He has done nothing to warrant any credibility on the issue...

2/28/2007 8:29:02 PM

ooo i started a trend and a fight.

you can also help get green power of the ground in Raleigh if you donate an extra $4 a month (min.) to Progress Energy's Green Program.

http://www.progress-energy.com/custservice/carres/greenpower/index.asp

Quote :

"NC GreenPower - this program allows residential and small commercial customers to contribute $4 per month for a 100-kilowatt-hour block of green power. The $4 per block monthly fee is added to the customer's regular electric bill. This block of renewable energy will come from solar, wind and biomass resources. "

So there's a possible way Al Gore could be doing the same thing in TN correct? Even tho I heard today that all his energy comes from Green sources, I believe they meant through this type of program.

But it seems to me republicans and who ever else thinks this stuff is a scam (in relation to TerraPass & Global Warming) wants to see a perfect clear cut solution 3 years ago to the pollution and CO2 we put out. And since there isnt one, everything must be a lie and everyone must be a hypocrite who believes in fighting global warming.

I believe its an ironic stance, seeing as Iraq is almost in the same boat to said republicans.

I cannot plant trees, grow corn, install solar panels, etc to do what I think is right in offseting my carbon footprint. But I will take the chance on someone else helping me do so, b/c the free market is catching up to people like myself.

3/1/2007 2:02:42 PM

Six pages on this bullshit? This is just pathetic, guys.

3/1/2007 2:20:08 PM

^^ you can turn down your consumption in your pool house.

We're not coming down on him because he uses energy... we're coming down on him because he preaches to us about reducing consumption while heating and cooling his POOL HOUSE.

3/1/2007 3:19:35 PM

Quote :

"Six pages on this bullshit? This is just pathetic, guys."

Right, when something goes down with a conservative, the shit goes on for 6 months. When a liberal gets found out, we're supposed to pretend that it's no big deal. Interesting.

3/1/2007 3:22:55 PM

his pool house may be used as a guest house or offices

the point is that you dont know

[Edited on March 1, 2007 at 3:38 PM. Reason : .]

3/1/2007 3:28:05 PM

How did Gore get "found out?"

ALERT: MILLIONAIRE OWNS A BIG HOUSE





The significant difference between Gore and most other millionaires is that Gore apparently donates a shit-ton of money each year towards research and the environment

3/1/2007 3:40:57 PM

This is retarded. Let's say McCain supports the clubbing of baby seals (a major Republican initiative). It then comes out that he has a totally humane baby seal zoo in his back yard, where none of the seals are clubbed whatsoever. But he still goes out and clubs like a million seals a day just to make up for it. He's still being a good Republican.

3/1/2007 3:52:26 PM

Quote :

"The significant difference between Gore and most other millionaires is that most other millionaires aren't known worldwide for preaching how bad pollution is and that we're all killing the Earth with our businesses and cars"

^wow that is about the worst analogy of the day

3/1/2007 4:25:23 PM

Quote :

"^wow that is about the worst analogy of the day ever"

3/1/2007 4:43:59 PM

^^throughout every debate on this issue i think you've severely misrepresented gore's views/statements.

[Edited on March 1, 2007 at 4:44 PM. Reason : .]

(and that was the point that spookyjon is making)

[Edited on March 1, 2007 at 4:44 PM. Reason : .]

3/1/2007 4:44:00 PM

Attn spöokyjon

Do you add anything to this section? Even your sarcasm and analogies are lackluster.

3/1/2007 4:45:10 PM

oh just stfu

[Edited on March 1, 2007 at 4:45 PM. Reason : .]

3/1/2007 4:45:28 PM

Quote :

"We're not coming down on him because he uses energy... we're coming down on him because he preaches to us about reducing consumption while heating and cooling his POOL HOUSE."

i'm sorry...what?

Quote :

"Natural gas bills for Gore’s mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 per month last year."

Quote :

"This deserves its own thread. What a fucking hypocrite. He must not be that scared of global warming. That smug piece of shit needs to quit this fearmongering he accuses the Republicans of routinely using."

Nope sounds like a witch hunt to me.

[Edited on March 1, 2007 at 5:03 PM. Reason : time to go home and harness this massive t-storms energy! seriously its gonna be 65mph winds tonight]

3/1/2007 5:01:26 PM

Quote :

"throughout every debate on this issue i think you've severely misrepresented gore's views/statements."

Yeah, Twista should really watch the got damn movie.

3/1/2007 5:12:02 PM

for example? examples shouldnt be hard to find, right?

I ORDER YOU TO WATCH THIS BORING VIDEOTAPED POWERPOINT PRESENTATION

3/1/2007 5:20:06 PM

You seem to think Gore demands that everyone stop consuming power and immediately move to a mud hut.

3/1/2007 5:24:19 PM

funny people think i have misrepresented gore's views and then the example is something about a mud hut...I think you're getting my words confused with words that people like Boone have put in my mouth, hence why I asked for an example, not a blanket generalization that is not represetative of my actual views...theres a big difference in living in a "mud hut" and having amenities like a heated pool in the south or a private jet you take around the world

i just think its funny that there are still people who dont understand why Gore is a big hypocrite

3/1/2007 5:40:55 PM

As I said, the message was, "Do what you can."

I never got the impression that Gore lived an ascetic life or suggested it to others.

3/1/2007 6:26:24 PM

Quote :

"The significant difference between Gore and most other millionaires is that Gore apparently donates a shit-ton of money each year towards research and the environment"

funny, almost every multi-millionaire I personally know is all about conservation and protecting this earth

I've got a funny feeling that you must not know any millionaires or you just assume that every millionaire lives in Malibu or Marthas Vineyard...

[Edited on March 1, 2007 at 6:42 PM. Reason : ...]

3/1/2007 6:42:03 PM

i think its a pretty safe assumption that only a small percent of millionaires support carbon offsetting technology since a small percent of the population in general support carbon offsetting technologies

3/1/2007 6:45:16 PM

whats wrong with doing other things that protect the enviroment also


big landowners along the river basins in NC have done wonders for improving the quality of water in this state over the last 20 years

3/1/2007 7:03:26 PM

where the hell did i say there was anything wrong with doing other stuff?

3/1/2007 7:12:02 PM

you jumped right into the carbon thing

I'm just stating that not all millionaires are "FUCK THE EARTH, I'M RICH BIIITCH"

3/1/2007 7:15:39 PM

its safe to assume that a small percent of millionaires are active environmentalists as only a small percent of the general population is

3/1/2007 8:10:56 PM

Quote :

"Six pages on this bullshit? This is just pathetic, guys."

BridgetSPK

Note well that this was posted on page six. But you're just the messenger, right? Above it all?

[Edited on March 1, 2007 at 11:30 PM. Reason : .]

3/1/2007 11:29:50 PM

Quote :

"They [noted climatologists Al Gore and Melissa Ethridge] think they can live in a world of only Malibu and East Hampton -- with no Trentons or Detroits. It does not occur to them that someone has to manufacture the tiles and steel and glass and solar panels that go into those "eco-friendly" mansions, and someone has to truck it all to their beachfront properties, and someone else has to transport all the workers there to build it. (And then someone has to drive the fleets of trucks delivering the pachysandra and bottled water every day.)"

3/2/2007 10:30:56 AM

Quote :

"Because of the industrialization of agriculture -- using massive amounts of fossil fuel -- only 2 percent of Americans work in farming. And yet they produce enough food to feed all 300 million Americans, with plenty left over for export. When are liberals going to break the news to their friends in Darfur that they all have to starve to death to save the planet?"

3/2/2007 10:34:22 AM

Quote :

""Global warming" is the left's pagan rage against mankind. If we can't produce industrial waste, then we can't produce. Some of us -- not the ones with mansions in Malibu and Nashville is my guess -- are going to have to die. To say we need to reduce our energy consumption is like saying we need to reduce our oxygen consumption."

3/2/2007 10:37:00 AM

no free lunch

3/2/2007 10:42:50 AM

probably been posted by now:

http://billhobbs.com/2007/02/more_on_gore.html

Quote :

"Gore is chairman of the firm and, presumably, draws an income or will make money as its investments prosper. In other words, he "buys" his "carbon offsets" from himself, through a transaction designed to boost his own investments and return a profit to himself. To be blunt, Gore doesn't buy "carbon offsets" through Generation Investment Management - he buys stocks."

3/2/2007 10:49:44 AM

let something come out about cheney and haliburton and people have a field day...but gore gets money in his own way? "ITS OK HE IS DOING SOMETHING TO SAVE THE PLANET"

3/2/2007 10:54:21 AM

^^ very damning evidence. Thanks for posting.

3/2/2007 10:58:25 AM

the money is still used for environmental investment and that link is mostly speculation.

3/2/2007 11:27:24 AM

sarijoul said what I was going to say

Sounds like a smart man if he can profit from the green wave.

This is a more "damning" bit of that blog post if you ask me

Quote :

" The intended goal of carbon offsets is to combat global warming. The appeal of becoming "carbon neutral" has contributed to the growth of voluntary offsets, which often are a more cost-effective alternative to reducing one's own fossil-fuel consumption. However, the actual amount of carbon reduction (if any) from an offset project is difficult to measure, largely unregulated, and vulnerable to misrepresentation. Did you get that? Carbon offsets are an "alternative to reducing one's own fossil-fuel consumption" and yet "the actual amount of carbon reduction (if any) from an offset project is difficult to measure, largely unregulated, and vulnerable to misrepresentation.""

3/2/2007 11:29:38 AM

i heard a story the other day about an independent firm who provided an audit of sorts of the different carbon offset companies out there.

the main thing they found was that the companies WERE trying to do right. the main problem is that there are no standards for what one kWh translates to in carbon offsets, so the different companies varied widely in what they did per kWh offset.

3/2/2007 11:31:56 AM

Quote :

"Sounds like a smart man if he can profit from the green wave."

Sounds like he should be afforded the same credibility as the "climatologists" on the oil industry's payroll.

3/2/2007 11:32:33 AM

Perhaps. But there is no debating solar and wind power is cleaner than other forms of energy.

3/2/2007 11:42:10 AM

Quote :

"Sounds like a smart man if he can profit from the green wave"

Just as smart as profiting from anything else...but he gets a free pass since its a green company that he chairs

3/2/2007 12:40:21 PM

Gore at the damn airport--again! This time, it looks like he tried to circumvent security (VP VIP):

http://wral.com/news/national_world/national/story/1220100/

3/2/2007 12:58:25 PM

i thought he rode around in a private jet all the time. . .

3/2/2007 1:07:05 PM

I guess that means he never ever travels around in a private jet

3/2/2007 1:08:25 PM