My point still stands.

7/23/2007 3:19:47 PM

^ No, I'd say your point sort of lazily leans to the left.

7/23/2007 3:31:05 PM

You ^ and you ^^ really need to get a room, because maybe while you're busy humping each other we can have some semblence of a constructive discussion.

7/24/2007 12:22:29 PM

Quote :

"TreeTwista10 411 4M3R1C4N 52899 Posts user info edit post block user Quote : "terrorists crash planes into buildings --------> increase airport security to prevent further similar attacks" the fact that you even question this simple, basic truth indicates that you're either a complete idiot, or you're just trolling"

Read up you air head

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/16/a-pilot-on-airline-security/

7/24/2007 1:13:32 PM

hmmm...no mention of the Iraq in that entire link....guess that kind of shoots your theory that the Iraq War is the reason you're so inconvenienced by having to take your shoes off at the airport...shoots down that shitty theory once again

7/24/2007 2:44:49 PM

As a troll, you are pretty good, I suppose. As a critical thinker and useful contributor to this section, you are succeeding about as good as the Iraq war.

And, yes, that link confirms what I have been saying all along, that the Iraq war, also known as the war on terror, also known as the program to scare the people, is the reason we have security theater in place even though it doesn't work.

[Edited on July 24, 2007 at 3:05 PM. Reason : the depth of your ignorance hasn't been reached yet]

7/24/2007 3:01:40 PM

Quote :

"that link confirms....the Iraq war....is the reason we have security theater in place even though it doesn't work"

funny the link that supposedly supported your wildly innaccurate claim doesn't even contain the word 'Iraq'...do a quick Control + F

you lose once again

btw you might want to ease up on the obviously false democratic talking point stereotypes since you claim you're not a democrat

Quote :

"the Iraq war, also known as the war on terror"

"North Carolina, also know as the United States"

7/24/2007 3:09:02 PM

My point still stands, and you haven't refuted it yet.

7/24/2007 3:25:29 PM

thanks for conceding defeat once again

7/24/2007 3:36:01 PM

You're the one claiming the Iraq war has nothing to do with the war on terror. You lost right there.

7/24/2007 3:37:56 PM

i never said the iraq war had nothing to do with the war on terror ...in fact i pointed out that it was a part of the war on terror...just like NC is a part of the united states

you're the dumbass who posts a long link claiming the iraq war is the reason for airport security and the link you posted doesnt even contain the word iraq

you just keep losing to a dumb idiot stoner troll dont you

7/24/2007 3:46:46 PM

I'll say it again for you since you can't read.

This war on terror, which Iraq is a part of, is part of a larger fear mongering campaign by this administration to continue war contracts flowing into Haliburton. Security theater measures give the appearance that this administration is "tough on terror". Without the war on terror, the tough on terror stance would be exposed for what it is, and this administration would be in even more trouble than it is regarding it's policies.

I have no desire to play the semantic game that you'll try to play at this point seeing how you just lost. If you try to do it, I'll troll you, plain and simple.

7/24/2007 3:50:31 PM

hey salisburyboy i think you're logged into the wrong account

btw which blog did you read that in?

7/24/2007 3:52:46 PM

Blind Hate ftw.

7/24/2007 3:54:55 PM

whatever you gotta tell yourself

7/24/2007 3:55:56 PM

I don't have to tell myself anything, it's all right here in the thread. You trolling again and not saying much of anything, while everyone else (save for my comments to entertain myself from time to time) passes you by like a small pothole in the highway of ideas.

7/24/2007 4:47:50 PM

you're pretty boring when you're continuously getting pwnt by a stupid stoner idiot troll

seriously though on what blog did you get that fear mongering rant? which partisan blog told you that?

7/24/2007 4:53:25 PM

I guess it is incomprehensible to a guy that has no ideas of his own to think that someone else could have their own ideas.

[Edited on July 24, 2007 at 4:58 PM. Reason : *]

7/24/2007 4:58:12 PM

then how come a couple weeks ago when i mentioned that the BBC had admitted liberal bias you hounded me over and over and over again about what blog I had read that in...I guess its another one of your baldheaded double standards

once again you get pwnt by a stupid stoner...thats like saying bush is dumb and then being outsmarted by him...ouch you lose at life...AGAIN

7/24/2007 5:06:20 PM

Quote :

"then how come a couple weeks ago when i mentioned that the BBC had admitted liberal bias you hounded me over and over and over again about what blog I had read that in...I guess its another one of your baldheaded double standards"

Do you have memory problems, or is asking the same retarded questions over and over again just one of the fun tools in your troll array of weaponry?

Go back and look in that thread for the reasoning given for why we are fairly certain you didn't think of any of that on your own. You don't remember? It had to do with the misleading thread title, the attributing data/facts to a link that had no such data/facts, the quoting of a statement buried in an 80+ page report that you certainly didn't read. That sorta thing.

Keep trolling, I got all night.

7/24/2007 5:45:46 PM

so which blog did you read your little "fear mongering security theater" bullshit in? we all know you read it in pelosi's blog you little democrat fanboy

7/25/2007 11:25:06 AM

Can't even celebrate a national victory without getting blown up by some "turrist"

http://news.bostonherald.com/international/middleEast/view.bg?articleid=1013965

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"BAGHDAD, Iraq - A sense of rare optimism took hold after the Iraqi soccer team made it to the Asian Cup finals, and sports revelers turned out in droves, undeterred by violence. But deadly car bombings yesterday had authorities on alert and vowing to step up patrols today after dozens of sports fans were killed while rooting for their national team to beat Saudi Arabia for its first Asian Cup win. "

And

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"The Iraqi government has refused to take control of more than 2,000 U.S.-funded reconstruction projects, a move that could jeopardize the country’s credit line and cost American taxpayers, according to a report by the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction. The report found that no completed projects had been transferred to the national government since June 30, 2006. The Washington-based agency warned that delays in transferring the projects meant less collateral for the Iraqi government in seeking loans. The report singled out Finance Minister Bayan Jabr for his role in the process."

Security abounds!

7/30/2007 3:11:00 PM

Erios has had the best post so far

7/30/2007 4:26:02 PM

i disagree...but i dont like to imagine dudes having sex

i also disagree that a thread on tww talking about if the surge is working could ever have a semblance of constructive discussion

7/30/2007 4:32:51 PM

his thread was nuanced, well thought out, and non-dogmatic

so I can see where you'd have a problem with it.














weeee, look at me, I'm trolling!

7/30/2007 4:40:58 PM

this thread was a bait thread...it was an "hey i'm gonna create another thread to post bad news about iraq and continue to insinuate that the surge isnt working and could never work under the guise of a thread where i'm seriously asking an openended question"...he couldve just put it in this thread he already created \message_topic.aspx?topic=470363

7/30/2007 4:43:51 PM

Quote :

"i also disagree that a thread on tww talking about if the surge is working could ever have a semblance of constructive discussion"

Thats a really retarded and hilariously ironic thing for you to say, considering this thread indeed has constructive discussion if all the posts involving your pointless prattle and the replies to them are removed.

Quote :

"he couldve just put it in this thread he already created \message_topic.aspx?topic=470363"

Also, that thread was no created by me and a discussion about the surge isn't automatically a thing to Bash bush about, contrary to your partisan hacked mind beliefs.

[Edited on July 30, 2007 at 5:12 PM. Reason : *]

7/30/2007 5:12:03 PM

Quote :

"Also, that thread was no created by me "

it was created by State409c, so yes, it was created by you

Quote :

"contrary to your partisan hacked mind beliefs."

i'm so partisan that i've never voted...also i don't read the speaker's blog

7/30/2007 5:15:41 PM

Quote :

"Erios has had the best post so far"

And I think his point is continuing to be made.....

7/30/2007 5:19:30 PM

well State409c created this thread so he could continue to say how he doesnt agree with the war...everything has been mentioned in other threads...its really a pointless thread

i mean shit his first post blames bush for congress going on vacation...he has an agenda like he always does and this thread is no different

7/30/2007 5:21:38 PM

^ i'm not agreeing or disaggreing with anything here, but i'll be damned if you don't make every single possible effort to defend this administration

7/30/2007 5:23:18 PM

well i certainly make some efforts, yes...but mostly its because this section is too often a Blame Bush party...he's got plenty of faults...he has made plenty of mistakes...but the general consensus around here seems to be that he's the worst president ever, the worst person in the history of the world, that the iraq war is the most unjust thing in the history of mankind (while our enemies are beheading innocents and blowing them up for comparison of unjust things), that everything he does is illegal, that he has taken every single one of your rights and that basically everything is so horrible...and TSB is mostly liberals...I'm simply trying to ground things...there is too high a percentage of people who are quick to bash Bush...they hate him with a passion...I've always said I liked Clinton and Bush because they both seem like they'd be cool people to drink a few cold ones with...so what so many people perceive as trolling or idiocy or whatever is simply adding some balance to this extremly far left liberal section

7/30/2007 5:26:53 PM

point taken

7/30/2007 5:32:27 PM

it isn't that you defend Bush, its that you do it so dogmatically and simplistically that bothers people. that and the fact that you have certain people you clearly don't like and accuse them of trolling you just because they disagree, every time they post.

just say what you have to say, say it well, and leave it out other for others to judge. done.



oh and I meant his post, not his thread in my last post

[Edited on July 30, 2007 at 5:51 PM. Reason : .]

7/30/2007 5:34:39 PM

Quote :

"it isn't that you defend Bush, its that you do it so dogmatically and simplistically that bothers people"

but you must remember i'm replying to dogmatic and simplistic Bush bashing...if I point out essentially "its not as bad as you make it seem" in regards to Bush, the country, etc, people who hate Bush with a passion will naturally be bothered

and yeah i dont like Blind Hate...he's enjoyed trolling me on his various screennames over the years, like State409c and TypeA...and he is admittedly a troll...and this is a troll thread...and it doesnt deserve any legitimate discussion because its a bait thread

btw plenty of people accuse me of trolling because i present an alternate point of view to a particular topic like you claim I do to BH...just dont make it sound like he is some model poster and I troll his legitimate threads and topics of discussion cause thats far from the case

7/30/2007 6:13:02 PM

Quote :

"and it doesnt deserve any legitimate discussion because its a bait thread"

who is the greater fool, he who casts the bait or he who takes it into his mouth?

Quote :

"but you must remember i'm replying to dogmatic and simplistic Bush bashing...if I point out essentially "its not as bad as you make it seem" in regards to Bush, the country, etc, people who hate Bush with a passion will naturally be bothered"

that doesn't mean that you have to reply in kind.

7/30/2007 8:00:34 PM

A War We Just Might Win
By MICHAEL E. O’HANLON and KENNETH M. POLLACK
Published: July 30, 2007

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"VIEWED from Iraq, where we just spent eight days meeting with American and Iraqi military and civilian personnel, the political debate in Washington is surreal. The Bush administration has over four years lost essentially all credibility. Yet now the administration’s critics, in part as a result, seem unaware of the significant changes taking place. Here is the most important thing Americans need to understand: We are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, at least in military terms. As two analysts who have harshly criticized the Bush administration’s miserable handling of Iraq, we were surprised by the gains we saw and the potential to produce not necessarily 'victory' but a sustainable stability that both we and the Iraqis could live with [emphasis added]."

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"Today, morale is high. The soldiers and marines told us they feel that they now have a superb commander in Gen. David Petraeus; they are confident in his strategy, they see real results, and they feel now they have the numbers needed to make a real difference. Everywhere, Army and Marine units were focused on securing the Iraqi population, working with Iraqi security units, creating new political and economic arrangements at the local level and providing basic services — electricity, fuel, clean water and sanitation — to the people. Yet in each place, operations had been appropriately tailored to the specific needs of the community. As a result, civilian fatality rates are down roughly a third since the surge began — though they remain very high, underscoring how much more still needs to be done."

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"How much longer should American troops keep fighting and dying to build a new Iraq while Iraqi leaders fail to do their part? And how much longer can we wear down our forces in this mission? These haunting questions underscore the reality that the surge cannot go on forever. But there is enough good happening on the battlefields of Iraq today that Congress should plan on sustaining the effort at least into 2008."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/opinion/30pollack.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2

[Edited on July 30, 2007 at 8:32 PM. Reason : .]

7/30/2007 8:31:10 PM

i wouldn't rely on congress to tell the rest of us how the surge is doing.... Petraus will either need more men (not working) need to extend it (partially working) or will slowly reduce numbers down (working)

considering more civilians are dying from the 'insurgent attacks' i would say it's no longer a 'war' but just sheer terrorism. that is the point of suicide bombers right? to invoke fear, paranoia and general suspicion? ?

^ agree fully, other things I've heard agree with it as well

[Edited on July 30, 2007 at 8:36 PM. Reason : s]

7/30/2007 8:35:31 PM

as someone who has opposed this lie and charade from Day One, and actually long before Day One...

i think we should listen to Gen. Petraeus and give him troops and supplies he requests... while insisting
on appropriate Congressional oversight, of course.

The ability of the Iraqis to self-govern with reasonable stability will never be had without physical security.
this has become a humanitarian crisis (that we have caused), and needs to be resolved first before politics.

... then we can go about putting high officials from the Bush Administration on trial for treason.


that said, i've been ignoring every single post from both Blind Hate and TreeTwista. And my vote is: "yes"
... they should just go fuck)







[Edited on July 31, 2007 at 1:58 AM. Reason : ]

7/31/2007 1:48:50 AM

^i agree but i don't agree on congressional oversight... perhaps if they somehow put together a relatively non-partisan group of experts that could actually come up with a rational means of oversight and reporting then sure. but that is not likely to happen.

i have extreme misgivings about giving congress any real power when it comes to war making decisions... approval or disapproval overall i can go with but not "ok you get x number of stuff for x amount of time"

7/31/2007 11:11:00 AM

^Excellent idea. If only they would appoint some sort of non-partisan study group or commission to assess our Iraq policy. I think James Baker and Lee Hamilton would be pretty good choices to lead it...




As far as oversight, that is sort of what Congress was elected to do.

7/31/2007 11:36:44 AM

that and waste our money

7/31/2007 11:37:43 AM

yeah i thought congress was elected to debate and pass legislation... find new ways to tax us and waste money

7/31/2007 11:44:12 AM

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8QNJTMG1&show_article=1

not much being said about this...

i would think though that if it is big news when casualties are high...then it should be big news when casualties are low...

thats asking a lot though...

COME ON BLIND HATE....your first post in this thread was about April being the deadliest month of the war...well what bout July??

I ASK YOU....IS THE SURGE WORKING?!?!

[Edited on July 31, 2007 at 12:01 PM. Reason : ?!?!]

7/31/2007 11:49:01 AM

Anyone??

7/31/2007 1:28:55 PM

^^ It's just like the stock market and other news. If a given story doesn't fit the mainstream media's "ain't it awful" template as it relates to Bush, then they either don't report it or they bury it.

7/31/2007 3:49:07 PM

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"0EPII1 All American 18698 Posts user info edit post if ANYBODY has got good news to post (not just american soldiers distributing candy or playing ball with the locals), then please do. 7/12/2007 6:14:36 AM "

i fully expect him to not chime in

7/31/2007 4:07:26 PM

The lower death toll for the month is certainly an encouraging sign, but it is not yet clear how the overall strategy is working within the larger context of Iraq. None of our generals are making that claim, as it is not yet clear whether violence is simply displaced to other areas (pushing on a balloon). Hopefully down the road we can look at this month as a turning point rather than a blip, but we are a long way from being able to declare "Mission Accomplished". Additionally, American troops killed is but one indicator of the situation on the ground.

Even as we receive some mixed if not promising news on the military front, the political and humanitarian situation looks very troubling. Without those elements, it's impossible to declare the surge a success regardless of how well our military performs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/31/AR2007073100990.html

Mullen was quite candid on this to the Senate Armed Services Committee.

7/31/2007 4:24:13 PM

if the US surge being declared a 'success' is dependent on no terrorist activity then we will never win...but thats more of the propaganda war than the actual 'war' war

7/31/2007 4:26:29 PM

NPR ran a story on this and I also looked at the article itself. Both authors supported the invasion but became skeptical after it was obvious that there was no post-kinetic plan. One article does not a turn-around make, and the authors made it a point to note that the situation remains grave, but I'm glad to see that GEN Petraeus is making a positive impact. Everyone said that he'd have to make his presence felt fast and it seems like he has. In the words of the authors (from the NPR story) "we are no longer making catastrophically bad decision in Iraq".

The only lurking issue is the ability of the Army to sustain the surge, but it is good to hear that some feel the momentum is shifting.

7/31/2007 4:28:36 PM