But we already have laws to protect those that don't want to have their health impacted from alcohol and porn users. Its about time we got on board with the cig laws as well.

11/21/2007 12:11:50 PM

i agree, it IS about time we get rid of more of our freedoms

11/21/2007 1:16:47 PM

You already made that comment on page 2 and it was addressed on page 3 without no further comments from you. Stop shitting on these threads.

11/21/2007 1:22:37 PM

its ok to take our freedoms...after all, we already mentioned it once on page 2

and did you guys hear that? pointing out that something takes away a freedom is "shitting on a thread" according to the resident troll...he does know a lot about shitting up threads so i'd take his word for it...oh wait a minute, his word isn't worth shit so fuck him

11/21/2007 1:53:49 PM

Can we ban French Fries also. They have no nutritional value and contribute to America's obesity problem. I do not want to get on an airplane and have to sit next to someone taking over half my seat also. True French Fries are not the only thing that causes people to be fat; but smoking is not the only thing that cause people's olfactory sense to be offended. Therefore my proposal has merit.

[Edited on November 21, 2007 at 1:56 PM. Reason : a]

11/21/2007 1:55:53 PM

can we ban automobiles? i refuse to walk down the sidewalk while breathing in your clouds of poisonous gases...there is no benefit to automobiles that you cant get from bicycles except for of course deadly 80 mph head on collisions

11/21/2007 2:01:10 PM

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"but smoking is not the only thing that cause people's olfactory sense to be offended. Therefore my proposal has merit. "

It's not that my olfactory sense is offended. If I attempt to drive with my AC off and windows down while sitting in traffic, someone in front of or beside me at a light puffing hard enough on a cig can actually trigger a very mild asthma attack in me.

Same when I walk into public buildings where those with no self control are feeding their addiction.

Am I supposed to stay hole up in my room because I have a mild asthmatic condition and I am afraid that smokers are going to trigger an attack?

11/21/2007 2:06:53 PM

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"If I attempt to drive with my AC off and windows down while sitting in traffic, someone in front of or beside me at a light puffing hard enough on a cig can actually trigger a very mild asthma attack in me"

What about same scenario but instead of being exposed to cigarette smoke you're constantly exposed to carbon monoxide-rich automobile exhaust? Also you're a fucking pussy if this is true. Apparently if somebody blew smoke in your face you'd immediately go into some convulsions...Darwin's Law anyone?

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"Same when I walk into public buildings where those with no self control are feeding their addiction."

lolololololol "those with no self control" says the guy who begs mods to suspend his accounts lolol

11/21/2007 2:09:43 PM

Quote :

"i refuse to walk down the sidewalk while breathing in your clouds of poisonous gases"

good call on banning automobiles. Cars cause 1000x's of deadly accidents a year also; it would be good to prevent people from doing something that might kill them. It's been proven speed kills. F=M*A
K.E= 1/2*(M*V^2)



^ WTF. unless you are parked 1 ft from the window of another car, while stopped at a stoplight, with the wind blowing just right I do not see how you are exposed to cigarette smoke. I do not think I have ever sat in my car and thought to myself damn who around is smoking cigarettes; i can smell it!

Regardless while on the highway you are exposed to 1000x more fumes and obnoxious gasses caused by the other cars then someone smoking. A good % of the harmful gasses are present in car exhaust; car exhaust just has different aromatics.

we rarely agree TT10 but 1/2 these people are a bunch of whiny bitchs


[Edited on November 21, 2007 at 2:14 PM. Reason : a]

[Edited on November 21, 2007 at 2:14 PM. Reason : a]

11/21/2007 2:13:38 PM

Asthma is a huge problem in the US which continues to grow each year. Quit being so ignorant and face the facts that cigarette smoking effects more than just the person who is smoking.

http://www.aaaai.org/media/resources/media_kit/asthma_statistics.stm

11/21/2007 2:14:19 PM

so does drinking, speeding in a automobile, industrial pollution, the guy in the cube next to you with the flu.

you guys act like there are not already restrictions in place, that I support, restricting smoking.

What's next the next time i go to a Panther's Game drinking will only be allowed at a designated area 25 ft away from the stands b.c parents do not want their children to witness drinking or for the person who occasionally gets splashed by a drunky holding a beer.

[Edited on November 21, 2007 at 2:18 PM. Reason : a]

11/21/2007 2:16:23 PM

Quote :

" ^ WTF. unless you are parked 1 ft from the window of another car, while stopped at a stoplight, with the wind blowing just right I do not see how you are exposed to cigarette smoke. I do not think I have ever sat in my car and thought to myself damn who around is smoking cigarettes; i can smell it!"

Do you smoke, because it seems like you do? It's pretty routine for me (especially in the summer) to be sitting at a light and smell the smoke, and feel my throat feel like a midget is attempting to choke me, only then to notice the person in front of me blowing their cancer into the air.

Quote :

"Regardless while on the highway you are exposed to 1000x more fumes and obnoxious gasses caused by the other cars then someone smoking. A good % of the harmful gasses are present in car exhaust; car exhaust just has different aromatics."

This is the point where you start using some numbers to back your argument. What are the ppm's of various cancer causing agents in second hand smoke and car exhaust. Smog is a real serious respiratory problem for the big cities (LA, Beijing, etc), fortunately for us, it isn't so much a problem in the Triangle or even Charlotte for the most part (except on hot summer days).

11/21/2007 2:19:57 PM

If you can't tell the difference between drinking and smoking as far as a public health hazard then you really shouldn't even be in college.

11/21/2007 2:21:09 PM

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"Do you smoke, because it seems like you do?"

Actually I do not. But I have never never ever remember sitting at a stoplight and been like hmmmm... is someone smoking around me.

We already have restrictions in smoking; I just do not approve of the gov't once again stepping in to restrict an individuals rights.

already smoking is
-banned from airplances
-public building
- restricted to "smoking sections" in restaurants in NC; or absolutely banned in other states.
- banned at schools
- encouraged at strategically picked areas outside buildings by placement of cigarette waste pits
- restricted to certain "designated" rooms at hotels and apartment complexes that must inform residents of which room they are getting

11/21/2007 2:27:59 PM

Quote :

" Actually I do not. But I have never never ever remember sitting at a stoplight and been like hmmmm... is someone smoking around me."

You don't have any sort of asthma issues, so obviously it isn't a problem for anyone, right? Do you think I am making this shit up? Do you have a point?

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"We already have restrictions in smoking; I just do not approve of the gov't once again stepping in to restrict an individuals rights."

Please point this right out to me in the constitution.

It's great this Democracy thing. The people, the majority, are calling for some compromise on the smoking issue. Seems like a win for all. The majority isn't being smacked in the face with cancer agents walking in and out of public places, the minority gets to keep their addiction.

11/21/2007 2:32:34 PM

some people are calling for a compromise

then you have people like joe_schmoe effectively calling for a complete ban which will never happen

11/21/2007 2:42:54 PM

the personal freedom issue is relevant here

don't blow smoke in my face as i leave the building, that personal freedom, my personal freedom overrides your personal freedom of smoking wherever you want - because my personal health, space, etc is being infringed upon.

why is there 6 pages of debating on this?

11/21/2007 3:05:56 PM

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"t's great this Democracy thing. The people, the majority, are calling for some compromise on the smoking issue."

you logic is kinda skewed. Part of being a democracy is just adhering to the majority but also respecting and protecting the minority. Back in the 1920's the majority of white southerners supported a ban on black people voting or going to the same restaurants....

11/21/2007 3:07:43 PM

^^if i am standing in the middle of some outdoor area and you walk past me while i'm smoking, do i have to move out of your way since you obviously have more rights and freedoms than me?

11/21/2007 3:17:54 PM

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" you logic is kinda skewed. Part of being a democracy is just adhering to the majority but also respecting and protecting the minority."

How is my logic skewed. First of all, you quoted my comment about the majority, then left my comment about the minority off...then made your own comment about the minority, which the part you left off addressed?

You're entering the domain currently occupied by TreeTwista posting like that.

The minority is being respected and protected. I have no problems with the minority smoking so long as it doesn't effect me. And as long as they aren't smoking at entrances to public buildings or smoking in my work place, they don't effect me.

11/21/2007 3:22:07 PM

Because you're too lazy to stand out of the way of the door as to not bother other people with your smoke you somehow have more rights than everyone that is entering and leaving the building?

11/21/2007 3:22:43 PM

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"don't blow smoke in my face as i leave the building,"

If someone blew smoke in my face I would probably punch them in the face.

Quote :

"you're too lazy to stand out of the way of the door"

I agree people should courteously step aside from the direct pathway out of the door. On my places of employment the "smokers" either use one of the non-main entrances to smoke or if they use the main entrance they stand like 10 ft to the side and unless its a summer day with no wind I rarely have been encroached by cigarette smoke.

But making smokers walk 100 ft is absolutely ridiculous as is the case at UNC.

[Edited on November 21, 2007 at 3:30 PM. Reason : a]

11/21/2007 3:28:17 PM

Chance you loose again

11/21/2007 3:37:41 PM

Quote :

"On my places of employment the "smokers" either use one of the non-main entrances to smoke or if they use the main entrance they stand like 10 ft to the side and unless its a summer day with no wind I rarely have been encroached by cigarette smoke. "

That's great, you've made the point you're impervious to cig smoke. Now if only asthmatics everywhere could be so lucky as you.

11/21/2007 3:41:59 PM

Quote :

"That's great, you've made the point you're impervious to cig smoke not a huge pussy like Chance"

btw maybe we can ban the use of wood or metal in all buildings...I mean we have to think of the anemics that might cut themselves by accident on a wood splinter or metal edge

11/21/2007 3:48:58 PM

or require all commercial companies to make their website blind friendly so that they are discriminated against....

11/21/2007 3:59:07 PM

Quote :

"btw maybe we can ban the use of wood or metal in all buildings...I mean we have to think of the anemics that might cut themselves by accident on a wood splinter or metal edge"

actually to some extent this is practiced in a lot of buildings now, especially hospitals etc. new things being built requiring that interior corners be rounded off etc. partly for cleaning purposes and partly for safety purposes.

11/21/2007 4:19:48 PM

Smoking is also banned in hospitals

Should we ban any 90 degree angle within 100 feet of a building?

11/21/2007 5:08:50 PM

Quote :

"That's great, you've made the point you're impervious to cig smoke. Now if only asthmatics everywhere could be so lucky as you"

Out of curiosity, what is in cigarette smoke that makes you start chocking to death while sitting at a light that isn't in the various noxious chemicals pouring out of every exhaust pipe around you?

11/21/2007 7:36:41 PM

If I am sitting on my bike at a light and a particularly offensive car pulls up, the same thing happens.

The thing you clowns keep misunderstanding in your trying to equate cig smoke and exhaust are the concentrations of the pollutants.

11/21/2007 10:45:43 PM

i'm pretty sure auto exhaust is a lot more concentrated with noxious gases...

11/21/2007 11:20:14 PM

As usual, you're wrong. Find some numbers to back your claim.

11/21/2007 11:27:51 PM

How bout I smoke a cigarette, and you suck on a car's exhaust pipe, and we'll publish our findings

11/22/2007 12:10:24 AM

Quote :

"If I am sitting on my bike at a light and a particularly offensive car pulls up, the same thing happens. The thing you clowns keep misunderstanding in your trying to equate cig smoke and exhaust are the concentrations of the pollutants."

ohhh so Chance I am guessing you also support banning smoking by automobiles traveling on the public roads. Just cause 1 in 100 can faintly detect cigarette smoke while driving coming from another car and 1 in 5000 might weeze a lil from asthma then the millions of other people that may choose to smoke should adapt to your problems.

Maybe the people who are fatally allergic to peanuts should push for a ban on all peanut products. You never know when some confectionery item may easily contain peanuts that you do not realize. All Americans much live with out peanut products to make the world a better place for those very few that may be harmed right??

11/22/2007 1:07:21 AM

Quote :

"Just cause 1 in 100 can faintly detect cigarette smoke while driving coming from another car"

I bet it's a lot higher than that.

11/22/2007 1:22:52 AM

i love smoking cigs in dh hill...that room between the stacks and stairs is the shit

[Edited on November 22, 2007 at 1:28 AM. Reason : ^i think its probably more like 5 out of 100....i know i rarely smell it coming from other cars]

11/22/2007 1:27:14 AM

I would guess 30-50%. Your window has to be open, which is mostly only going to happen in the warmer months, but I can usually smell someone smoking.

I don't have asthma, so i don't flip out, but cigarette smoke has a stronger, smellier odor than typical car exhaust. It's a little denser too, so it's more likely to stay relatively lower.

I can imagine though if someone had a can of aerosol with toxic chemicals in it, and was spraying it as they were walking around, people would have a problem with that. Smoking is kind of the same thing.

Smoking is a personal act, and if people want to smoke, they can do some on their own time and space. People don't fart openly in public, people don't chew with their mouths open, people who chew with tobacco don't spit it everywhere, why should people who smoke be allowed to blow it everywhere? These things have being societal conventions, yet smokers think they should have special privileges for their personal habits? Why should other people have to tip-top around a small segments addictions?

Just tell people to take that crap home, and keep their smoke out of my face.

11/22/2007 1:45:29 AM

Jesus Christ HUR, I used to think you were legit in your arguments. Now you just sound like TreeTwista, which is really really sad

11/22/2007 8:31:59 AM

Quote :

"Smoking is a personal act, and if people want to smoke, they can do some on their own time and space. People don't fart openly in public,"

So smoking should also be banned while riding in a motor vehicle on the roads right??

^ I do; but following my libertarian ideals I can not push for tolerance in a variety of social issues while ostracizing smoking just b.c I do not smoke. If smoking were prevalent as it were in the 50's I would agree with all of you. Fact is though, smoking is already heavily restricted toward specialized areas with the rights of non-smokers protected via already existing legislation.

Creating new laws like the new smoking ban requiring smokers to isolate themselves at an arbitrary 100 ft from any unc public building is just ridiculous. This also provides stepping stones in which influential people can pass laws restricting other activities that they deem have negative social/health consequences.

11/22/2007 9:45:24 AM

i can understand banning smoking from near buildings but trying to ban smoking in ones own personal vehicle is crossing the line

11/22/2007 9:50:27 AM

I fart openly in public.

11/23/2007 9:45:49 PM

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"The University bookstore will also stop carrying tobacco products as of Jan. 1."

http://www.technicianonline.com/media/storage/paper848/news/2007/11/26/News/University.Moves.To.Restrict.Smoking-3114507.shtml?reffeature=textemailedition

[Edited on November 26, 2007 at 1:41 AM. Reason : .]

11/26/2007 1:40:26 AM

So do we now go back through and find all the people who said "It'll never happen here" and point and laugh?
Personally, I think this is a good thing, especially because the Counseling Center is subsequently stepping up their addiction help guys, so that those people who now can't smoke as much can get better available help to quit. The University isn't just leaving smokers high and dry.

11/26/2007 12:45:56 PM

I can't remember if I posed this question before, but how long do you think it'll be before someone is tasered for violating these new smoking policies? Just curious.

12/3/2007 3:41:43 AM

Quote :

"Emily Bolch, a freshman in the fashion and textiles management disagreed. "Smoking on campus doesn't really bother me. I think N.C. State is just trying to get 'smoke-free' to compete with less masculine schools like UNC-Chapel Hill to be the most politically correct," she said."

lol

12/3/2007 9:18:57 AM

bttt by request



(UNC--smoking cock, not tobacco)

7/16/2008 4:18:27 AM

^ LOL

N.C. state motor fleet smoking ban gets final OK

Quote :

"RALEIGH, N.C. — North Carolina state employees could soon be barred from lighting up in vehicles owned or leased by the state. The Senate voted 43-5 on Wednesday to give final legislative approval to a bill that would prohibit smoking in all state-owned or leased cars in the motor fleet starting January 1. The measure now goes to Gov. Mike Easley's desk for his signature. Supporters said the ban will protect passengers' health and save money by reducing the need for cars to be cleaned. The bill requires nearly all the cars to have no-smoking signs inside. Opponents said the proposal is meddlesome, and worry it could set the stage for a more comprehensive public smoking ban in the future."

http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/3178835/

There's this ^, and has anyone noticed that the smoking ban near buildings at State has been almost completely ignored?

7/16/2008 4:38:39 AM

This i agree with.

Smoking in vehicles damages taxpayer owned assets.

7/16/2008 6:46:24 AM

^ Yeah, I'm not a smoker, so I could do without someone else's leftover cigarette smell. And I see the point about property damage.

It just seems like one thing after another is being "banned" these days. And what about smoking around the buildings at State? There doesn't seem to be any enforcement--why have a policy you're not going to enforce? You can go over by, say, Withers any evening during the semester and there'll be a group of people smoking six feet from the door.

7/16/2008 7:09:51 AM

Quote :

"why have a policy you're not going to enforce? "

heh

it placates somebody and gives 'em a warm fuzzy.

7/16/2008 9:27:53 AM