explain please

5/16/2008 4:09:59 PM

The Centennial Authority is a volunteer board appointed by leaders from the state of North Carolina, Wake County, the city of Raleigh and Wake County Mayors. It was created by the General Assembly in 1995 to study, design, construct, own, promote, finance and operate a facility now known as the RBC Center. The RBC Center houses entertainment shows such as concerts, circuses and ice shows and is home to sports teams such as the Carolina Hurricanes and North Carolina State University basketball.

5/16/2008 4:16:42 PM

learn to edit posts if no replies have taken place between when you are going to add stuff.

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"RBC is a boring generic hockey arena (and its not ours anyhow)."

generic yes, and its not just a hockey arena.. plenty of arenas are hockey arenas and it doesn't even matter, we aren't going down this road again

5/16/2008 4:18:21 PM

sorry in my furry i did not feel like editing

5/16/2008 4:21:36 PM

haha

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"sorry in my furry i did not feel like editing"

5/16/2008 4:25:45 PM

I was hoping that someone that actually heard this would report back with some of the better comments from people that called in. At least to know what kind of corner Fowler was backed into.

After reading the thread I can only assume that the calls were pretty lame/tame.

5/17/2008 6:21:10 PM

read the SFN comments section

5/17/2008 10:18:29 PM

^NO LINK!!!

come on man

5/17/2008 11:26:09 PM

There is a premium Q&A over on packpride with Fowler.

Anyone care to share what was discussed?

5/21/2008 3:57:47 PM

probably just about the facilities and how we are so good because of them

[Edited on May 21, 2008 at 4:05 PM. Reason : i guarantee its just dodging a bunch of questions]

5/21/2008 3:59:48 PM

just read it

apparently we'll win soccer games now that we have facilities

5/21/2008 4:10:10 PM

never would have guessed

5/21/2008 4:24:27 PM

you have to be FUCKING kidding me

SFN: Fowler receives vote of confidence from faculty senate


this is not satire.

[Edited on May 21, 2008 at 7:38 PM. Reason : ]

5/21/2008 7:37:56 PM

VIVA LA REVALUTION!!!1

REVOLT!!11

[Edited on May 21, 2008 at 9:16 PM. Reason : ]

5/21/2008 8:07:06 PM

I mean, I consider graduates of NCSU to be pretty damn bright.

YOU:CANNOT:HIDE:OUR:RECORD:IN:SPORTS

There must be an excuse written down for every sport during every year of his tenure. And that is why people think he is doing a good job.

Fuck football, fuck basketball. Give me the record of everything else and I will show you a losing athletic department.

5/21/2008 8:13:26 PM

I can't believe they gave this guy a vote of confidence. It looks like a group of inept leaders trying to save face.

It's interesting that same time that Fowler is flushing our Athletic Department down the proverbial toilet that Oblinger has been flushing our academics down the toilet.

http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2007/10/08/story2.html


There is a systemic acceptance of failure and mediocrity at NCSU that has never existed before. There is no committment to excellence at any level, albeit NCSU has some of the best professors available. Even the world's greatest artist can't make a beautiful painting when all you give him is shit.

5/22/2008 9:26:22 AM

Which college at State is seeing the most growth? I think if State put the cap on freshman enrollment right now, you would see the average SAT score increase dramatically over the next few years and we'd be in the 1200 range. SAT scores are definitely going to go down or stay the same if you increase the size of the freshman class by over 1,000 in 5 years. UNC on the other hand wants to sit there and have a circle jerk over how they are elite b/c of their SAT scores, b/c they refuse to grow the freshman class that much in response to the increase in population of the state.

5/22/2008 9:52:15 AM

^ exactly. I had friends who had high gpas in high school (4.5-4.9) but weren't excepted at unc because they had an SAT in the low 1200s. It's ridiculous.

5/22/2008 10:17:00 AM

petty, but isn't the SAT out of 2400 now?

5/22/2008 10:35:09 AM

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"I think if State put the cap on freshman enrollment right now"

they absolutely should do this, but this administration is seemingly uninterested in things like this.

5/22/2008 10:44:39 AM

Hopefully this means that Fowler will be shown the door some time in the next year. It's similar to that show of empty support that a lot of coaches get right before they are fired or move on due to building pressure. Remember the vote of confidence the faculty gave Sendek before he left.

This kind of brings me to something that I discussed over lunch with my boss and another Ph.D. that has a ton of experience. We noticed some people were getting awards and recognition and began discussing it. The one Ph.D. that's not my boss said that some bosses will try to recognize employees they think aren't doing as well as they'd hope as a way to motivate them to do better b/c they will feel like they are appreciated. If they don't improve their performance soon after, then they will be let go.

5/22/2008 10:51:56 AM

^^ Yeah I don't mind growth, but to grow by 1,000 students over 5 years is a pretty large increase.

[Edited on May 22, 2008 at 10:53 AM. Reason : ]

5/22/2008 10:53:33 AM

http://www.statefansnation.com/index.php/archives/2008/05/21/the-state-of-state-part-two-improvement/

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" The State of State Part Two–Improvement Published by WV Wolf on 05/21/2008 in ACC, AD, Baseball, Basketball, Football, General, NCS Administration, Non-Revenue and Stat of the Day. Tags: AD, Lee Fowler, NCStateAthletics. Disclaimer: Only facts and statistics will be stated below, you the reader can draw your own conclusions and opinions. Did NC State’s athletic programs make progress and do better this school year than they did last year? One metric (and certainly not the only one) is to look at regular season conference standings. State competes in 21 different ACC sports plus gymnastics (EAGL) and rifle (SEARC & GARC). In the 2007-2008 school year, 6 out of those 23 programs finished higher in their conference standings than they did the year before, 11 finished worse and 6 maintained the same standing. All 12 ACC schools compete in the sport unless indicated. Programs that improved their conference standing in 07-08: • Football—10th to 8th • Baseball—6th to 4th • W Golf—7th to 6th (out of 9 schools) • W Swimming—10th to 8th (out of 11 schools) • W Tennis—8th to 7th • W Indoor Track—11th to 7th Programs that maintained the same conference standing in 07-08: • M Golf—7th (out of 11 schools) • M Soccer—9th (out of 9 schools) • M Swimming—7th (out of 11 schools) • M Outdoor Track—3rd • Volleyball—12th • Rifle—1st SEARC (out of 6 schools) / 7th GARC (out of 8 schools) Programs that had declining conference standing in 07-08: • M Basketball—10th to 11th • W Basketball—3rd to 8th • M Cross Country—1st to 2nd • W Cross Country—1st to 2nd • W Soccer—8th to 11th (out of 11 schools) • Softball—2nd to 5th (out of 8 schools) • M Tennis—7th to 8th • W Outdoor Track—10th to 11th • M Indoor Track—3rd to 6th • Wrestling—1st to 5th (out of 6 schools) • Gymnastics—1st to 2nd (out of 8 schools) Some summary statistics for 2007-08: • 26.1% of State’s programs improved their conference standing • 26.1% of State’s programs maintained their conference standing • 47.8% of State’s programs had their conference standing decline • 52.2% of State’s programs improved or maintained their conference standing • 73.9% of State’s programs did not improve their conference standing Along the same lines, here are some conference standing trends for the eight year time span Lee Fowler has been AD (Rifle is not included). Two programs had or tied their best conference finish in 2007-08: • W Tennis—7th • M Outdoor Track—3rd Eight programs had or tied their best conference finish within the past two years: • W Basketball—3rd • M Cross Country—1st • W Cross Country—1st • M Tennis—7th • W Tennis—7th • M Outdoor Track—3rd • M Indoor Track—3rd • Gymnastics—1st Ten programs had or tied their worst conference finish in 2007-08: • M Basketball—11th • W Basketball—8th • M Golf—7th • M Soccer—9th • W Soccer—11th • Softball—5th • M Swimming—7th • W Outdoor Track—11th • Volleyball—12th • Wrestling—5th Fourteen programs had or tied their worst conference finish within the past two years: • Football—10th • M Basketball—11th • W Basketball—8th • M Golf—7th • W Golf—7th • M Soccer—9th • W Soccer—11th • Softball—5th • M Swimming—7th • W Swimming—10th • W Outdoor Track—11th • W Indoor Track—11th • Volleyball—12th • Wrestling—5th Some additional summary statistics for Lee Fowler’s eight years (not including Rifle): # 9.1% of State’s programs had or tied their best conference finish in 2007-08 # 36.4% of State’s programs had or tied their best conference finish within the past 2 years # 45.5% of State’s programs had or tied their worst conference finish in 2007-08 # 63.6% of State’s programs had or tied their worst conference finish within the past 2 years In the past two years, every program except for Baseball either had or tied their best conference finish OR their worst conference finish and W Basketball did both. Notes: The ACC finish for M Swimming, W Swimming and Wrestling is based on their ACC championship result and not their win/loss record standing. Rifle data is not included in the 2nd part of this analysis for two reasons: • Rifle competes in both the Southeastern Air Rifle Conference (SEARC) and the Great American Rifle Conference (GARC). • Complete historical data for Rifle could not be found. The GARC website only has final results for the past two years and no website appears to exist for the SEARC. There is a link on GoPack.com for the Rifle media guide, however it leads to a blank page stating “No News”. Coming Soon in Part Three: Lee Fowler sets some standards for State’s athletic programs. Will they meet those standards?"

5/22/2008 1:17:55 PM

When it is all typed out like that it really hits home how bad we truely are.

5/22/2008 1:22:08 PM

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" # 45.5% of State’s programs had or tied their worst conference finish in 2007-08 # 63.6% of State’s programs had or tied their worst conference finish within the past 2 years "

Holy Fuck.

5/22/2008 1:27:46 PM

this just in, statefans does not like lee fowler, and they've got statistics to back their argument.

5/22/2008 1:33:36 PM

^There is now more damning evidence.

http://www.statefansnation.com/index.php/archives/2008/05/22/the-state-of-state-part-three-meet-the-standards/

Lee Fowler must be questioning his entire existence at this point. It's pretty clear to everyone who is paying any attention that he is a failure at his job. I just hope that when I get to be that invested in a career that I don't turn out like him. It must be terribly depressing for him, but I am sure that the 264 (or whatever) a year he collects is a pretty good salve.

5/23/2008 12:22:28 AM

^^ well seemingly nobody except us are listening, so why not keep going till you have a shit ton of stats to support it

[Edited on May 23, 2008 at 12:45 AM. Reason : ]

5/23/2008 12:43:05 AM

stop giving money to the fucking school retards. Write a letter saying why.

5/23/2008 3:38:53 AM

but our fans are too dedicated.

i have no respect for the guy, but i still want to watch football in the fall

5/23/2008 7:31:55 AM

I go to football for myself. I have no intention of paying or giving anymore money until something is done.

5/23/2008 10:40:17 AM

I'm all for firing Fowler, but the guys at StateFans tend to repeat themselves a little too much.

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"For the eight year time span that Lee Fowler has been AD, 27.2% of State’s athletic programs met his goal of top three in the conference. "

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"For the eight year time span that Lee Fowler has been AD, 72.8% of State’s athletic programs did not meet his goal of top three in the conference."

Gee, you don't say?

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"In 2007-08, three teams (13.6%) finished dead last in the conference: • M Soccer • W Soccer • Volleyball"

And they sold men's basketball short. They should give credit where credit is due.



[Edited on May 23, 2008 at 10:53 AM. Reason : bball]

5/23/2008 10:47:00 AM

^ they didn't include M B-Ball because we were tied for last with BC.

5/23/2008 2:18:27 PM

http://acc.starnewsonline.com/default.asp?item=2206552

Ok, lets assume for fun that this author is a UNC fan. In reality, how much would Fowler getting fired set us back in our programs? It seems to be that since we just went through coaching changed in BB and FB those would be on cruise control for a while and wouldnt be affected so much by any change.

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"Fowler's run afoul with Pack nation The weekend's ACC baseball tournament crowned a champion, Miami, which got to the title game by defeating N.C. State 5-2 on Saturday. N.C. State is one of four ACC schools selected to host an NCAA tournament regional site, joining Miami, Florida State and North Carolina. That's the good news. The not-so-good news for the Wolfpack is that another shot at an ACC title in a major sport has passed the Wolfpack by. State has won a few conference titles this decade in less-recognized sports, such as wrestling and softball, but among the six that would be front-page news - football, men's and women's basketball, baseball and men's and women's soccer - it's been 16 years since an ACC crown, won by the baseball team when Ray Tanner was the coach. The last conference championship in the other five major sports: football (1979); men's basketball (1987); women's basketball (1991); men's soccer (1990); and women's soccer (1988). How can a school as large as N.C. State, competing in a premier conference that resides in a talent-rich part of the country, fail to reach the pinnacle against its rivals? This lack of success has been a growing point of contention among many of its rabid fans. A couple of explanations: The athletic department is finally catching up with its facility upgrades that were long overdue. The department's middle-of-the-road budget, which affects coaches' salaries and recruiting money, remains an issue. Then there's athletic director Lee Fowler, the target among many in Wolfpack nation. Fans want a return on their investment. They view Fowler, who arrived in 2000, as someone who's not properly handled a perceived influx of cash and blame him for the lack of on-field success. To Fowler's credit, coaching staff salaries increased as soon as he arrived, and the school has avoided embarrassment from its department and athletes. But State's not winning, and at some point that falls on the AD. In the Sears Director's Cup standings, which measures the success of an entire athletic program, State is 66th - placing it behind Harvard, Hawaii, Denver, Princeton, Cal Poly-San Luis Obispo, Navy, Northern Iowa and SMU. Fowler's bungling of the basketball coaching search two years ago was the final straw for some. If that situation flares up again soon, there's little support in Fowler spearheading the next hire. Football coach Tom O'Brien fell into the school's lap because he badly wanted out of Boston College, so Fowler is generally given little or no credit for that hiring. And he can't run from the fact that no other ACC school has failed to win at least one of the six aforementioned titles during his reign. Andrew Jones can be reached at Andrew.jones@starnewsonline.com."

5/26/2008 9:35:40 AM

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"The department's middle-of-the-road budget, which affects coaches' salaries and recruiting money, remains an issue."

I wish that he would expound on this a little. How big of an issue is this? Even if we are "middle of the road" shouldn't it be reasonable to finish in the middle of the ACC?


Lee Fowler is being exposed more everyday for the failure that he really is. I hope that he is still interviewing for every job opening that people will talk to him about because I am thinking that his days are numbered at NCSU.

5/26/2008 10:23:40 AM

this is so encouraging. i love it.

5/26/2008 11:11:02 AM

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"I wish that he would expound on this a little. How big of an issue is this? Even if we are "middle of the road" shouldn't it be reasonable to finish in the middle of the ACC?"

As far as the Director's Cup is concerned, the top 25 schools' budget on average is 60M. Our budget is 33M and we've finished in the 35-55 range in his tenure. The Ohio State's, UNC's, etc have big bucks, we don't, and it shows. But to contradict myself, I have not seen the Yankees win the WS since their 200M payroll...

[Edited on May 26, 2008 at 11:29 AM. Reason : .]

5/26/2008 11:29:01 AM

^ I wonder how willing students would be to double their fees to sports and recreation from like 50 bucks a semester to 100 or whatever they are. Most wouldn't even notice the difference.

If money is one issue that we need to address, then it should be done before Lee Fowler gets fired in order to attract a higher quality AD candidate.

Does anyone know who is in control of the budget that goes to athletics at NCSU, is it the same at all UNC schools and they just have better alumni donations in Chapel Hill, etc?

5/26/2008 1:31:17 PM

i thought the wolfpack club donated a shit load, hence why they are the biggest alumni body supporting athletics or whatever the term is.

5/26/2008 1:50:45 PM

doubling student fees would not double the athletics department's cash.

5/26/2008 3:06:44 PM

Got a baseball regional at State. GG Fowler.

5/27/2008 12:11:59 PM

http://northcarolinastate.scout.com/2/757645.html

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" Do you feel there is a huge disconnect between the Athletic Department and the NC State fanbase? If so, why do you believe that is the case? What can you do, and what can we do, to fix the it? I don't feel like there is."

.................................

[Edited on May 27, 2008 at 9:26 PM. Reason : jgk]

5/27/2008 9:20:47 PM

Fowler tonight at the Wolfpack Club Caravan: "Facilities, facilities, underappreciated, softball, baseball, facilities, facilities, internet people, facilities, softball, facilities"

And when Fowler had control of the mic and the question was asked to Tom O'brien, "Coach O'brien what are your thoughts on us having the first game of the season against South Carolina and a follow up game at Clemson just two weeks afterwards?""

Fowler: "Well, let me say I think we'd rather just not play those games, HAHA! But let me hand the mic over to Coach O'brien" to which the two USC/Clemsons fans in the place erupted into applause

Typical Fowler defeatism, maybe just a misguided attempt at humor but a highly inappropriate one for a WOLFPACK CLUB gathering I thought

5/27/2008 11:09:07 PM

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"What that means is this year if a game is not on television, you should be able to watch it online on ACC Select."

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"When I go on these Wolfpack Club Caravans, people really close to the program who attend those events seem very upbeat and positive."

It seems to come off like this too, but I guess everyone is just being nice to his face? We need to stop doing that.

[Edited on May 27, 2008 at 11:15 PM. Reason : ]

5/27/2008 11:14:55 PM

Since when are Men's and Women's Soccer front page news?

5/27/2008 11:18:33 PM

I was just at the pool at carmichael looking at plans with my boss for the new light fixtures they are putting in. The maintenance guy we were talking to mentioned the banners we have and how we haden't won a championship in swimming in a really long time and that these light fixtures would probably help recruiting. I think I stared at him for about 10 seconds before politely agreeing....

5/28/2008 9:10:10 AM

UCLA has won more NCAA championships in the last three weeks than NC State has won, period.

6/2/2008 3:57:20 PM

oh wow

6/2/2008 4:03:27 PM

^^Thats why the C on their jerseys is yellow (though it is faggotry)

6/2/2008 4:35:22 PM

http://www.statefansnation.com/index.php/archives/2008/06/17/the-state-of-state-part-four-ad-battle-royale/

6/18/2008 10:52:37 AM