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"It's quite possible to hate the government while liking other things about that place. As you know, some of us oppose all states."

god damn you are a serious anarchist? are there any actually moderate liberals on wolfweb?

and yeah I'm still waiting for that video to resurface, I know I didn't imagine things since some of my friends saw it too and commented on it

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"America will be better off in 50 years when it's a more ethnically diverse society. The best part is how you peckerwoods will still be crying about this, long after you're the minority. "

sad if they all come in with the same attitude you seem to have, and spit in the face of a land that has given you greater opportunity





[Edited on March 18, 2008 at 11:46 PM. Reason : now]

3/18/2008 11:36:51 PM

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"god damn you are a serious anarchist?"

I like to think of myself as a strict Odonian.

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"and yeah I'm still waiting for that video to resurface, I know I didn't imagine things since some of my friends saw it too and commented on it"

What, exactly, did Wright say in the video?

3/18/2008 11:38:37 PM

well from what I remember the video started immediately with him talking about killing whites, which obviously must have taken things out of context but still he seemed to be pleased with the idea of whites dying and some serious venom here I believe he mentioned killing all kinds of whites individually, including women and children, and then he went on to show disgust at white women who lay down and give birth to the blue eyed who are born to exploit his people or something

[Edited on March 18, 2008 at 11:54 PM. Reason : k]

3/18/2008 11:45:44 PM

3/18/2008 11:54:00 PM

^^^ Onanism? JK

[Edited on March 18, 2008 at 11:56 PM. Reason : .]

3/18/2008 11:55:46 PM

^thank you for posting that. I wanted to watch the whole thing, just not clips on tv.

3/18/2008 11:56:23 PM

he may not be all correct

but he speaks just like the founders, with their flowery, well-meaning language

he should have been at the first con con

[Edited on March 19, 2008 at 12:06 AM. Reason : en]

3/19/2008 12:05:57 AM

I still don't see Wright as anti-white.

I guess this mythical video may prove me wrong.

I wonder why the media aren't discussing it.

A cover-up by Obama's campaign, perhaps?

3/19/2008 12:09:51 AM

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"who used the teachings of Christianity and/or the vehicle of the black church as foundational to their efforts for securing a self-determining existence for Africans at home and/or abroad [emphasis added]."

SELF-DETERMINATION SCARY

hooksaw AGAIN FAILS AT CONSERVATISM.

[emphasis added]

This is just over.

This scandal continues to prove what I said earlier: it relies on a short attention span.

[Edited on March 19, 2008 at 12:27 AM. Reason : ^ it's hiding with Saddam's WMDs and all those operational links to Al Qaeda...]

[Edited on March 19, 2008 at 12:31 AM. Reason : and a short one, too]

3/19/2008 12:27:23 AM

6 pages and no one has posted an example of racism from wright, and there is a supposed mystery video where he calls for the killing of white people. And now we're talking about China for some reason.

Considering the overwhelmingly positive reception Obama's speech got, it's probably not worth my time anymore to try and convince the hardheaded conservatives here that Wright doesn't hate white people.

3/19/2008 12:43:54 AM

^ Yeah, it's all totally cool. That's why the media has gone apeshit about it, Obama had to give a major speech about it that probably still won't be enough, and the good "Reverend" Wright will probably turn up on a milk carton because he's MIA.

GG.

3/19/2008 12:47:33 AM

And even if he did hate white people, what does that have to do with Barack Obama? If conservative neckbeards could support Ron Paul, despite his association with stormfront, 'fleet-footed' type comments, and blatantly terrible economic policy just because he seemed 'honest' then I'm not quite sure how there's a dichotomy of opinion with Barack.

3/19/2008 12:48:06 AM

^^ It's too early to tell how the media will react. You have a tendency to put your foot in your mouth, and this situation is going to end up the same way for you.

3/19/2008 1:02:06 AM

^^ Indeed. I want to air a freakin' public service announcement on the ticker of Fox News:

We are not electing any reverend President of the United States in 2008. * Cute White Bitch Kidnapped * Do Democrats bleed motor oil? Participate in our interactive poll!

[Edited on March 19, 2008 at 1:18 AM. Reason : ...]

3/19/2008 1:18:39 AM

^^ I meant the Wright situation itself. You'll note in the post at issue that the speech was listed as a separate item in the series.

[Edited on March 19, 2008 at 1:22 AM. Reason : .]

3/19/2008 1:21:29 AM

^ Obama is on the right side of this issue. And it's clear he's not going to sit down and take a beating from the media. Considering the amount of repetition in the Wright clips, I suspect the media is not working from a lot of material and information on wright, and i'm guessing it'll be difficult for them to sustain an attack on Obama on the basis of Wright's words, and if even one outlet is swayed in their coverage by Obama's speech, it'll have a ripple effect. No media outlet is going to want to be painted as racist by another outlet.

3/19/2008 1:28:38 AM

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"I have not seen the clips from fox recently, but I have heard probably 10 minutes of this guy over the past several months. This is not a case of context. He has a well established record of radically liberal statements and radically racial statements. BO at least owned up to knowing what Wright was wrong about today, as I recall before his speech today BO had been attempting to spin these comments as isolated... Today, BO knows about them but accepts the pastor anyway because of his position in the community or because he is like his Grandma, whatever you guys explain it to me. If I have a wrong-minded friend I don't make him my "mentor" and write books with titles borrowed from his sermons. I don't buy BO not being close to Wright. What BO actually believes, who knows."

Did you watch the entire speech? Because you seem to have grossly misinterpreted it. Here's a transcript: http://www.thestar.com/News/USElection/article/347506
Here's a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWe7wTVbLUU

The part about his uncle/grandma was to explain why he's not going to disown Wright. He's saying that his grandma said bad stuff, but considering all the other qualities, it wouldn't make sense to disown her. Likewise, wright brought him to God, and he's not going to disown him for a few wrong statements. And obama is not saying he's not close to wright, he's saying the opposite in a way. He's so close to him, that he's practically like family. You can strongly disagree with your family, and still love them.

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"Anyway, I am not clear on why this has recently become such a big deal, Sean Hannity has been talking about this "black value system" for months now. It is not new."

Hannity in general is an idiot.

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"Some important things to note from this whole episode, 1.) BO's campaign is no longer above race. It is about race."

Lol, where are you getting this? Obama wasn't the one choosing to make this about race, the media is responsible for this. How do you think the black community is going to perceive that btw? And his speech focused on many things, one theme was that we shouldn't be looking at race, and instead should be focusing on how to come together as Americans for the good of the country. This is something you can relate to, I hope.

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"2.) His refusal to distance himself from the reverend and his statements today that were to the effect of equating Wright's wrong statements with everybody else's pastor or Rabi just goes to show that apparently BO doesn't think the hate filled diatribes of Wright are all that bad. "

It would have looked bad for Obama to distance himself from a long time friend. I'm glad he didn't completely reject him (because it would have made him look like a selfish, lying backstabber). He did however completely reject wright's statements, which is what I predicted he would do (i can find the link if you want). Despite what his actual reasons for this was, it was definitively the best course of action politically.

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"3.) We are witnessing a new sort of affirmative action. Black racist propaganda is ok but white racist propaganda is not. Actually this is not particularly new. But it is ironic that those who are genuinely against real racism in this country are called out as "racists" if we dare speak against the reverse racism that is so often lauded by the left. If I heard correctly, today BO said that people who were against affirmative action and voted for welfare reforms through the Reagan movement were actually closet racists. What meaningless drivel. From meaningless platitudes to race-baiting. Bad move in my estimation."

This is pretty much complete nonsense. I'm hoping though you didn't actually see obama's speech, and after reviewing it you'll realize why this is nonsense. If you actually did watch the speech, then I feel nothing but pity for you, if this is how you actually feel. Hopefully you don't pass on your perceptions of blacks to your children or friends.

3/19/2008 1:48:22 AM

Like the white kids in this thread would disown their own racist grandmothers.

NUH UH

SHE DIFFERENT

[Edited on March 19, 2008 at 3:01 AM. Reason : pot kettle pot kettle pot kettle...]

3/19/2008 3:01:01 AM

how do you compare a grandmother to a friend? Obama's grandmother/family is not the issue...his "spiritual advisor" is. big difference my Obama knob-slobbing friends.

i just dont get why it is so hard to admit that BO has fucked up? regardless of Wright's true intentions or context, this is a huge fuck up in judgement and is why he made that speech yesterday. telling everyone its not and typing long posts doesnt change that.

3/19/2008 7:36:11 AM

The guy is basically family. They've been close for over 20 years. He's Obama's childrens godfather, he married Obama, baptised his chilren, etc etc. This is no simple acquaintance and if you think he should drop him as a friend because the media, or you tell him to, I'd hate to be your friend if I were in a pickle.

3/19/2008 7:38:28 AM

blood is thicker than water, especially in politics.

look, I have plenty of very close friends who say crazy shit...at the same time, I dont call them my spiritual advisors and I am not running for President. were I running for President, I am sure anything I have posted here and every single "close" friend I have would be inspected.

I respect BO for for sticking to his guns but he really has no choice but to do so, less look like an Uncle Tom to his base, the black community. BO is just as political as the rest of them and his moves are just as calculated.

3/19/2008 7:44:44 AM

I went to school with some redneck crackers
Right around the time 3rd bass dropped the cactus album
But I was readin malcolm
I changed my name in 89 cleaning parts of my brain
Like a baby nine
I took a history class serious
Front row, every day of the week, 3rd period
Fuckin with the teachers head, callin em racist
I tried to show them crackers some light, they couldnt face it
I got my diploma from a school called rickers
Full of, teenage mothers, and drug dealin niggas
In the hallways, the popo was always present
Searchin through niggas possessions
Lookin for, dope and weapons, get your lessons
Thats why my moms kept stressin
I tried to pay attention but they classes wasnt interestin
They seemed to only glorify the europeans
Claimin africans were only three-fifths a human being

3/19/2008 9:26:09 AM

First of all, I have to say there is some very high quality trolling in the past two pages. TWW at its finest.

To moron. I am reading the entire speech as I write this. Let me start with this quote from BO:

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"I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely – just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed. But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren’t simply controversial. They weren’t simply a religious leader’s effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country – a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam. As such, Reverend Wright’s comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems – two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all. "

Yes great, apparently BO has the gumption to call a spade a spade in this speech for a moment...BUT what about the last TWENTY YEARS!!! If this guy is so divisive then why has BO chosen to make his church home with this guy? He is BO's pastor, we get to pick our pastor, we can change church homes. People do change churches all the time when something wrong-headed is proclaimed from the pulpit. BO didn't change churches I can only assume that is because he actually agrees with the pastor, or at least doesn't find his views all that bad.

(the next paragraphs from BO addresses some of my comments)

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"Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way But the truth is, that isn’t all that I know of the man. The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor. He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God’s work here on Earth – by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS.... ... That has been my experience at Trinity. Like other predominantly black churches across the country, Trinity embodies the black community in its entirety – the doctor and the welfare mom, the model student and the former gang-banger. Like other black churches, Trinity’s services are full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear. The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America. And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children. Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect. He contains within him the contradictions – the good and the bad – of the community that he has served diligently for so many years. "

See here is the problem. BO knew about Wright before the recent press cycle. This is evidenced in the fact that BO's campaign distanced themselves from Wright a year ago... why? Because BO already knew who he was. You honestly want to be president of the USA and you can't even surmise the politics of your own pastor? REALLY? Sorry folks, not buying it. BO has known exactly what Wright stood for years, otherwise he is just incredibly naive.

I will grant you that few other than BO could sugar coat this debacle better than BO.

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"I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe. These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love. Some will see this as an attempt to justify or excuse comments that are simply inexcusable. I can assure you it is not. I suppose the politically safe thing would be to move on from this episode and just hope that it fades into the woodwork. We can dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue, just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated racial bias. "

Problem here, you pick your pastor. And yes for the most part the remainder of this speech is about "justifying his comments". Well, excuse me, its about trying to "understand" the comments. Its about viewing individuals as products of their respective histories. Members of groups engaged in struggles that may be insurmountable for a particular individual. Lip service is given to self reliance. But solutions all seem to come from the government. The rest of the speech basically amounts to this: eveyone black or white is a victim and the government needs to help us.

too long

3/19/2008 1:18:22 PM

double post. grrr stupid flood control


Coming back to my point 3.) before, it was based largely on the following quote from BO

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"In fact, a similar anger exists within segments of the white community. Most working- and middle-class white Americans don’t feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race. Their experience is the immigrant experience – as far as they’re concerned, no one’s handed them anything, they’ve built it from scratch. They’ve worked hard all their lives, many times only to see their jobs shipped overseas or their pension dumped after a lifetime of labor. They are anxious about their futures, and feel their dreams slipping away; in an era of stagnant wages and global competition, opportunity comes to be seen as a zero sum game, in which your dreams come at my expense. So when they are told to bus their children to a school across town; when they hear that an African American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committ ed; when they’re told that their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced, resentment builds over time. Like the anger within the black community, these resentments aren’t always expressed in polite company. But they have helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition. Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political correctness or reverse racism. Just as black anger often proved counterproductive, so have these white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle class squeeze – a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many. And yet, to wish away the resentments of white Americans, to label them as misguided or even racist, without recognizing they are grounded in legitimate concerns – this too widens the racial divide, and blocks the path to understanding. "

Ok, so he did not quite say what I thought he said. But he came pretty close to it. I would be less critical if he at least mentioned some of the real motivations of the Reagan Coalition, low taxes, less corrupt supreme court, strong military/foreign policy, etc... then maybe I'll allow him to stick racism on the list, but not for me.

See, I don't believe for a minute that racism is the core of conservatism. I dream of a color free society NOW. Two wrongs do not make a right and if affirmative action is practiced then white america is not imagining racism, we are witnessing it. Sure some racism exists against blacks and certainly Mexicans, but we shouldn't accept that either. When I see black on black crime on the news I don't think, gee I better go shoot one of my white neighbors to even out the statistics. Affirmative action, no matter how noble its goal, is racist.

Anyway, BO misunderstands the motivations of conservative politics. See that is the difference. We are not against welfare or free emergency room care because black and brown people use the services. I don't care which race is leaching of the government teat, the point is that their should not be such an option for EVERYONE's best future. Precisely because the government interference in the routine workings of the family has wrought all kinds of damage (as BO almost acknowledged in that speech).

Boiling it all down, BO's speech simply says racism can only be eradicated with big government solutions to all our problems. Free education, free healthcare, ... down with evil corporate America,
one phrase just jumped out at me,

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"This time we want to talk about the shuttered mills that once provided a decent life for men and women of every race, and the homes for sale that once belonged to Americans from every religion, every region, every walk of life. This time we want to talk about the fact that the real problem is not that someone who doesn’t look like you might take your job; it’s that the corporation you work for will ship it overseas for nothing more than a profit. "

Wait BO, you mean coporations exist to make a profit? How fundamentally unamerican.

Anyway, all and all, the speech was masterful, I'll certainly give BO that. I just differ radically on how we should go about solving America's problems and I don't think we should live in the past.

3/19/2008 1:21:38 PM

Luckily only total fools care about this issue. The only people that care are those that would vote Republican anyway, so I doubt this hurts Obama. Heh.

3/19/2008 3:48:28 PM

polls are saying different.

3/19/2008 3:49:34 PM

Yes because checking the polls directly after a really damaging blow are always a great way to decide what happens over the next few months.

Check the polls in a few days and then get back to me. I imagine, especially after his speech, that things will level out.

3/19/2008 3:54:49 PM

its been a week or so and the trend has been pretty steady. next week at this time will be particularly telling.

3/20/2008 7:35:54 AM

this shit amounts to a hill of beans come November. better get it out now and let the silly ass conservatives play out their attack ploys. Right now it's a bit of a pincer attack because the democratic party at large can't mobilize to defend their candidate because they're too busy bickering at one another...alll the while they are letting Barack temporarily get bloodied. He's had to withstand a shitstorm from McCain, Hillary, and the GOP Attack Machine all at once for the past 3+ weeks and I'm impressed he's still kept his cool. Normally if you are withstanding the bullshit of a rabid kitchen sink strategy from the Clinton camp and media storm AND an entire backwards ass party and their rank and file idiot talking heads like Hannity or FOX fucking news - you have to repel and counter their attack in full using the entire party to do so. Thats why dragging this primary out s exactly what fat tub of lards like Rush want.

Even if Hillary wrenches the nomination on Barack and pulls a fast one, things will change in due time and polls will turn around - no one wants a goddamn republican in the white house. They are clueless and McCain is Bush all over again, from the bullshit economic policies that have sent us into recession, to the saber rattling into wars we don't need further destroying our world influence.

Yay. Like we really want that.

[Edited on March 20, 2008 at 7:50 AM. Reason : d]

[Edited on March 20, 2008 at 7:51 AM. Reason : dammit spacebar]

3/20/2008 7:47:01 AM

Keith Olbermann: "Comedian Rush Limaugh Oinked that Barack Obama..."

lol

Keith Olbermann's writers are THE SHIT

3/20/2008 8:11:27 AM

Quote :

"this shit amounts to a hill of beans come November. better get it out now and let the silly ass conservatives play out their attack ploys. Right now it's a bit of a pincer attack because the democratic party at large can't mobilize to defend their candidate because they're too busy bickering at one another...alll the while they are letting Barack temporarily get bloodied. He's had to withstand a shitstorm from McCain, Hillary, and the GOP Attack Machine all at once for the past 3+ weeks and I'm impressed he's still kept his cool. Normally if you are withstanding the bullshit of a rabid kitchen sink strategy from the Clinton camp and media storm AND an entire backwards ass party and their rank and file idiot talking heads like Hannity or FOX fucking news - you have to repel and counter their attack in full using the entire party to do so. Thats why dragging this primary out s exactly what fat tub of lards like Rush want. Even if Hillary wrenches the nomination on Barack and pulls a fast one, things will change in due time and polls will turn around - no one wants a goddamn republican in the white house. They are clueless and McCain is Bush all over again, from the bullshit economic policies that have sent us into recession, to the saber rattling into wars we don't need further destroying our world influence. "

your first paragraph is a pretty good analysis, however, I think Mr. Wright will plague Barack for the rest of his career in SOME fashion...fair or not, it just will. this country's seemingly endless need for drama will assure that.

your second paragraph is pretty naive. if no one wants a Republican in the White House, why are the polls showing basically a dead heat between the parties? if the Dem candidates were a little more moderate, my guess is they would have it sewn up...their problem is that most of our country is moderate and McCain fits that bill a lot more that HC or BO. economics dont come directly from the President...the economy will always peak and valley.

Jesus couldve been our last President and the mortgage boondoggle wouldve caused our economy to do exactly what it is doing now. The war was by and large a fuck up by the entirity of Washington. Most would concede that we would still be there even if Senator Kerry were elected (although his selection for defense secretary would greatly influence the timeline). Both the house and senate approved to go into Iraq based on bad intel and that is same thing Bush acted on. the fuck up is not confined to him. he is the lightening rod and that is understandable, however McCain was a huge critic of the administration's policies in Iraq at the onset. he is much different than Bush.

[Edited on March 20, 2008 at 8:29 AM. Reason : . ]

3/20/2008 8:28:45 AM

^^ First, Olbermann is one of the biggest douche nozzles that ever came down the pike. Second, this "Reverend Wrong" shit is sticking like glue to Obama: (1) It has significantly damaged him and (2) the left-wing moonbats know this and have gone into a foam-laden frenzy because of it.

3/20/2008 8:37:40 AM

it seems like the only ones still bitching about it is the likes of you - the backwards redneck type and the whining conservatives who are scared of both change and minorities.

The progressives will deal with your crying and change your diapers later, right now we have an election to win.

3/20/2008 9:22:44 AM

funny how all the BO supporters think all the Wright press and publicity is something concocted by the republicans, and not something from hillary's camp

the republican's already have a nominee...barack obama can't hurt mccain's chances for getting the rep nomination...the only candidates BO can hurt right now are hillary but no it must be the evil dumb conservatives

3/20/2008 9:38:19 AM

Huckabee defends Obama on Rev. Wright.

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"An assist from an unexpected quarter: "[Y]ou can't hold the candidate responsible for everything that people around him may say or do," Huckabee says. "It's interesting to me that there are some people on the left who are having to be very uncomfortable with what ... Wright said, when they all were all over a Jerry Falwell, or anyone on the right who said things that they found very awkward and uncomfortable, years ago. Many times those were statements lifted out of the context of a larger sermon. Sermons, after all, are rarely written word for word by pastors like Rev. Wright, who are delivering them extemporaneously, and caught up in the emotion of the moment. There are things that sometimes get said, that if you put them on paper and looked at them in print, you'd say 'Well, I didn't mean to say it quite like that.'" Later, he defended Wright's anger, too: "As easy as it is for those of us who are white to look back and say 'That's a terrible statement!' ... I grew up in a very segregated South. And I think that you have to cut some slack -- and I'm gonna be probably the only conservative in America who's gonna say something like this, but I'm just tellin' you -- we've gotta cut some slack to people who grew up being called names...""

Theres also a video, viewable here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/19/huckabee-defends-rev-jer_n_92346.html

3/20/2008 9:46:10 AM

^^ Funny how you post after I post like your replying to me, but obviously can't base any of your ignorant arguments from anything that I say. Who are these BO supporters you speak of, and what the fuck does it have to do with anything anyway?

3/20/2008 9:48:59 AM

im both scared of the change towards socialism and the change in my taxes it will cause. BO is a bad idea, his politics are shit. The fact that he is half black isnt an issue. THe fact that he chooses to associate with trash is.

Politically this has and will continue to hurt BO. Not with blacks or hardcore libs, but mostly with moderates and independents. Do I think it will cost him the presidency? Im not sure he could win it before this, but this sure hurt his chances most reasonable people will agree..

3/20/2008 9:51:41 AM

^^my point is that its hillary coming up with all this media shit, not the republicans...why you'd even get your panties in a wad over my last post shows how much of an overreacting dumbass you are

Quote :

"Who are these BO supporters you speak of, and what the fuck does it have to do with anything anyway?"

there are some Barack Obama supporters in this exact thread you moron, and its pretty damn relevant since the only reason most people are defending Wright is because they like Obama you ignoramus

3/20/2008 9:57:05 AM

hey hooksaw

why do you keep emphasizing quotation marks around the word reverend?

why do you keep referring to him as:

Quote :

" "Reverend" Wright "

do you have some issue with his credentials as an ordained minister in the mainstream United Church of Christ denomination?

Do you know something about the circumstances of his ordination, or his academic credentials? Did he, perhaps, get his Doctorate from Sally Struthers' mail-in correspondence school? Did he get his theological degree by drawing a picture of "Tippy" or "The Pirate"

or do you just disparage all ordained clergymen and question the circumstances of their professional capacity?






[Edited on March 20, 2008 at 10:07 AM. Reason : ]

3/20/2008 10:06:27 AM

Quote :

"THe fact that he chooses to associate with trash is."

Uh, these people are politicians, ALL OF THEM.

3/20/2008 10:06:42 AM

eyedrb adn treetwista are just proving my point with every post

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"it seems like the only ones still bitching about it is the likes of you - the backwards redneck type and the whining conservatives who are scared of both change and minorities. The progressives will deal with your crying and change your diapers later, right now we have an election to win. "

3/20/2008 10:08:05 AM

it couldnt possibly be the camp of the first potential woman president of the united states that seeks to gain anything by this....nope, must be the "backwards redneck type"

god terpball you're such a fucking racist, i wonder if all the white people at that DC rally knew how much of an ignorant racist you are

3/20/2008 10:21:03 AM

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"it couldnt possibly be the camp of the first potential woman president of the united states that seeks to gain anything by this....nope, must be the "backwards redneck type" "

I never said it wasn't from ehr camp, I don't give a shit. I'm talking about the people who are dwelling on the Wright subject. Thanks for once again proving my point.

3/20/2008 10:42:51 AM

you have no point

3/20/2008 10:51:13 AM

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"it seems like the only ones still bitching about it is the likes of you - the backwards redneck type and the whining conservatives who are scared of both change and minorities. The progressives will deal with your crying and change your diapers later, right now we have an election to win. "

3/20/2008 10:54:44 AM

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"or do you just disparage all ordained clergymen and question the circumstances of their professional capacity?"

No I just question Wright. Instead of preaching the love of Christ, he preaches hatred and bigotry.

3/20/2008 10:55:21 AM

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"or do you just disparage all ordained clergymen and question the circumstances of their professional capacity?"

^

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"No I just question Wright. Instead of preaching the love of Christ, he preaches hatred and bigotry."

Well put, sir.

3/20/2008 11:03:06 AM

^,^^ and you make this induction from a few short clips, after his years and years of preaching? I guess if you see one Mexican cross the border, they all must be illegal immigrants right? You see blacks on the news as murder suspects, so they're all criminals right?

If you aren't this way, you must give way to the thought that he might have just been acting out on emotion a few times - something even Huckabee says he's surprised doesn't happen more often.

Which one is it?




[Edited on March 20, 2008 at 11:08 AM. Reason : ]

3/20/2008 11:05:42 AM

^ Um. . .false analogy. When I see one hate-filled bigot, I see one hate-filled bigot. Which part of that don't you understand?



Silver Alert

Have you seen this man? If so, call Trinity United Church of Christ. Don't call us--we'll call you.

[Edited on March 20, 2008 at 11:14 AM. Reason : .]

3/20/2008 11:08:41 AM

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"I guess if you see one Mexican cross the border, they all must be illegal immigrants right? You see blacks on the news as murder suspects, so they're all criminals right? "

says the guy yesterday talking about "white America as a whole"

you're actually a worse TSBer than DNL

3/20/2008 11:14:45 AM