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10/22/2008 2:36:45 PM

ZOMG MCCAIN IS A SOCIALIST!!!

10/22/2008 2:43:48 PM

^ ha nice

10/22/2008 2:45:40 PM

10/22/2008 2:45:46 PM

I'd probably rolleyes too if I found out the candidatepolitician I support has been known to say whatever it takes to get elected.

10/22/2008 3:35:43 PM

So you roll your eyes?

McCain wants to cut taxes for everyone. He said that recently. Just as obama said to "spread the wealth" recently. I take both at thier word.

10/22/2008 3:42:11 PM

You're a fool to take anyone at their word when that person has shown that their word means zilch. Do you enjoy being lied to?

10/22/2008 3:46:45 PM

^^ I think you are highly confused Dr. B.

That guy has a shrine devoted to George W Bush; I am sure the eye roll was supportive to your cause.

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"McCain wants to cut taxes for everyone. He said that recently. Just as obama said to "spread the wealth" recently. I take both at thier word. "

Hopefully McCain will protect me from the turrrrists too!
and Palin wants to safeguard my childrens education from wacko liberal evolution talk.

Dr. B what does McCain intend to cut from spending in order to accomedate less taxes. We all know "Lower TAxes" is everyones favorite line to use in campaign speeches. I think this i just lip service. What candidate would actually claim to "raise taxes". Yet unless the treasury intends to print more magic money I do not see how McCain is going to do this.

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10/22/2008 3:51:42 PM

^^^ Because people are really yearning for that .5% back.

10/22/2008 4:03:29 PM

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10/22/2008 4:05:24 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2JPbQOHEkY

Here is a clip of McCain campaigning for Obama's socialist agenda.

10/22/2008 4:15:15 PM

^ Wow, I didn't realize eyedrb was an attractive female.

(and how did she figure a 60% tax rate?)

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10/22/2008 4:20:26 PM

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"(and how did she figure a 60% tax rate?)"

Presumably because she's too dumb to understand a progressive tax system.

Apparently daddy was taxed too much and she couldn't get a decent education.

10/22/2008 4:29:26 PM

From the daily show thread

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"Some economists[15] trace the origin of modern progressive taxation to Adam Smith, who wrote in The Wealth of Nations: The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. A tax upon house-rents, therefore, would in general fall heaviest upon the rich; and in this sort of inequality there would not, perhaps, be anything very unreasonable. It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_tax

10/22/2008 4:37:47 PM

Hur, Im not big fan on mccain but he is at least proposing a lot less spending than obama.

And not letting the bush tax cuts expire, credits towards healthcare, and cutting coorporate tax rates, are all better plans plans than what ive heard from obama. McCain has also called for a spending freeze and for CUTS in spending.. across the board. You might have heard the hatchet vs scalpel line before.


Moron, she certainly didnt seem impressed with his answer. I agree with the chick. Now how did she get to 60%, I dunno. I guess she took the highest bracket, 35% added payroll 15%(roughly), and a 6-8% state income tax... I guess she threw in property and sales to get the rest? I dunno, but its entirely too much to take anywhere near 30% just for showing up to work, imo.

10/22/2008 4:59:10 PM

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"And not letting the bush tax cuts expire, credits towards healthcare, and cutting coorporate tax rates, are all better plans plans than what ive heard from obama. McCain has also called for a spending freeze and for CUTS in spending.."

I mean I agree with McCain's economic policy full heartedly....

10/22/2008 5:29:42 PM

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"McCain has also called for a spending freeze "

Does anyone actually think that this would happen? Its almost enough to make me vote for McCain (truth is I just dont trust either of them)

10/22/2008 5:56:01 PM

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"I'd probably rolleyes too if I found out the candidatepolitician I support has been known to say whatever it takes to get elected."

you mean like when Obama said he would take public campaign financing. Or maybe when he said that he would never disown Rev. Wright... Or what about sitting down with Iran... Or...

10/22/2008 6:00:46 PM

probably old

but

hahaha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqAiarOhC2U

10/22/2008 6:08:20 PM

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"you mean like when Obama said he would take public campaign financing. Or maybe when he said that he would never disown Rev. Wright... Or what about sitting down with Iran... Or... "

Lemme guess, you're one of the slower ones around here?

10/22/2008 6:14:26 PM

no, but obviously you are. If you don't consider any of those as "lies" or things that were done for political gain, then you probably shouldn't vote. or breathe.

at the very least, don't have sex

10/22/2008 6:16:27 PM

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"Lemme guess, you're one of the slower ones around here?"

While impressive that it took you less than 10 posts to realize it, you probably should've noticed something that glaring before you even registered

10/22/2008 6:20:35 PM

Obama's lying through his teeth, at every opportunity he gets, saying that taxes will go down for everyone making less than $250k. I love how he conveniently doesn't mention letting Bush's tax cuts expire, which will raise taxes for most people.

lovely. I totally want this guy to win

10/22/2008 6:46:54 PM

I used to have an account back in the early days here, but I went out west for awhile and forgot about the place. Thanks to the housing bust, I'm back in town for awhile and was reminded of the wolf web when a buddy sent me a link last week. I've spent a little time reading this stuff and am rather amused at the partisans on both sides of the aisle in here.

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"no, but obviously you are. "

I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I!

I thought the strike through of candidate and replacing it with politician would have been a bit of a clue for you. But I guess anything that doesn't jive with your world view sets off alarm bells inside that pea pod we mistook for your skull causing you to miss points.

10/22/2008 6:47:57 PM

^^I'm pretty sure he's only gonna let them expire for people making more than 250K

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10/22/2008 6:48:31 PM

^^ aha! You come in here and post nothing but an ad hominem attack, then get pissy when I turn it right back on you? get the fuck out of here

^ Care to back that up? I'm asking honestly. If he really is going to let them expire for everyone, then it really does negate his whole "tax cut" bullshit in the first place

10/22/2008 8:29:46 PM

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"President Bush's tax cuts since 2001 have shifted more of the tax burden from the nation's rich to middle-class families, according to a study released Friday by the Congressional Budget Office. "

...

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"People in the top 20 percent of incomes, averaging $182,700 a year, saw their share of federal taxes decline from 65.3 percent of total payments in 2001 to 63.5 percent this year, according to the study by congressional budget analysts. In contrast, middle-class taxpayers — with incomes ranging from $51,500 to $75,600 — bear a greater tax burden. Those making an average of $75,600 had the biggest jump in their share of taxes, from 18.5 percent of all payments in 2001 to 19.5 percent this year. "

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/16/politics/main636398.shtml

AHEM. Reading is fundamental.

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"Q: If either one of you become president, and let the Bush tax cuts lapse, there will be effectively tax increases on millions of Americans. OBAMA: On wealthy Americans. CLINTON: That's right. OBAMA: I'm not bashful about it. CLINTON: Absolutely OBAMA: I suspect a lot of this crowd--it looks like a pretty well-dressed crowd--potentially will pay a little bit more. I will pay a little bit more. But that investment will pay huge dividends over the long term, and the place where it will pay the biggest dividends is in Medicare and Medicaid. Because if we can get a healthier population, that is the only way over the long term that we can actually control that spending that is going to break the federal budget. CLINTON: It's just really important to underscore here that we will go back to the tax rates we had before George Bush became president. And my memory is, people did really well during that time period. And they will keep doing really well. "

http://www.issues2000.org/economic/barack_obama_tax_reform.htm

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10/22/2008 8:32:40 PM

your point? You think Obama will change that? You are sorely mistaken if you do.

10/22/2008 8:34:28 PM

My point was you asked

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"Care to back that up? I'm asking honestly. If he really is going to let them expire for everyone, then it really does negate his whole "tax cut" bullshit in the first place"

So, what I posted combined with his tax plan (assuming he was able to get the whole thing working, which of course would never happen, since a President's tax plan never actually gets put into place) WOULD in fact bring a tax cut for the middle class and an increase in taxes for the rich.

Now, whether any candidate can fulfill his promise is another question, but it's also not what we're discussing.

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10/22/2008 8:37:22 PM

heh, Sarah Palin, one of America's biggest dumbshits, also one of the loudest voices on Obama being a socialist...why does anyone listen to her? She has proven herself to be one of the stupidest Americans that we can be so proud as to claim as one of our own.

So, "socialism" is bad, but spending gobs of taxpayer dollars in a stupid, unjustified war in Iraq and spending a ridiculous amount of money(that our generations will be paying back) to bailout these goddamned CEOs and banks is good. I know I was happy to hear that after the bailout, the AIG execs spent $400,000 taxpayer dollars on a nice vacation for themselves, I'm sure they've been through a lot of stress and that must have really helped them get through this. Meanwhile the poor suckers on mainst. are still getting kicked out of their homes. We have a shitty healthcare plan, and infrastructure is going to shit, or it's already there. But no, socialism is 100% bad, bad, bad.

It baffles me that people are so against "socialism", yet want to vote for someone who will take away other rights in other areas of life(COUGH abortion, gay marriage, etc.). Or the republicans are against "socialism" and then handout tax cuts to their rich friends. So, you don't want your gov't to regulate stuff like healthcare but you're happy to hand over your money to go to ridiculous other bullshit.

I want to laugh, I want to cry, I don't know anymore.
But my main objection is why do we listen to these people who have proven themselves time and time again so stupid that it is hard to believe that they are able to function in daily life, of course Bush did choke on that pretzel, close call there, I'm surprised stuff like that doesn't happen more often.

10/22/2008 8:57:45 PM

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"You think Obama will change that? You are sorely mistaken if you do."

I don't think McCain will uphold any of his proposals. Now prove me wrong.

10/22/2008 9:51:03 PM

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"to bailout these goddamned CEOs "

Hey man No CEO Left Behind

Privatize the profits, socialize the losses bro. It is standard GOP policy. Don't tell our Blue Collar base or they will be upset.

Much like how the city of Charlotte used tax payer dollars to build the BobCat stadium so that Bob Johnson can makes $texas. Hell you even have to pay to park at the parking deck even when games are not going on.

Perhaps if the GOP did not do shit like this and spend $Billions in Bush's war for oil in Iraq I would actually take them more seriously to save my wallet from 'Tax n Spend' Liberals.

10/22/2008 10:20:32 PM

raise your hand if you think manhattanite's the dumbest guy living (or wanting to) on Manhattan island.


*raises hand*


Interesting stuff DirtyGreek, thanks for showing me that (honestly, no sarcasm)

10/22/2008 11:49:51 PM

No, you're a dummy!

10/23/2008 12:02:39 AM

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"People in the top 20 percent of incomes, averaging $182,700 a year, saw their share of federal taxes decline from 65.3 percent of total payments in 2001 to 63.5 percent this year, according to the study by congressional budget analysts. In contrast, middle-class taxpayers — with incomes ranging from $51,500 to $75,600 — bear a greater tax burden. Those making an average of $75,600 had the biggest jump in their share of taxes, from 18.5 percent of all payments in 2001 to 19.5 percent this year."

Thats the funny thing about statistics, you can manipulate them to say whatever you want. Funny how they compare now to 2001, the last year of an unprecedented economic boom in which the ultra-wealthy were earning huge sums of money. Of course they were shouldering a larger portion of the tax burden then, they were earning more.

10/23/2008 12:30:52 AM

so if the top 5 percent pay like 95% of taxes or whatever the stat is, how much would the top 5% pay if obama is pres? like 97% of taxes?

10/23/2008 12:32:31 AM

Maybe, maybe not. The problem with raising taxes on profits and capital gains is that historically, they have often resulted in LESS revenue due to how our tax code works. Companies can defer profits by reinvesting or giving out bonuses, and people can defer capital gains for a few years if they think the capital gains tax rate will go down. Also, in a recession, revenues always go down, and the biggest drop is from the wealthy because their income is much more volatile.

10/23/2008 1:04:46 AM

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"capital gains is that historically, they have often resulted in LESS revenue"

How often?

And how often, compared to instances when the CGT was raised?

10/23/2008 2:02:18 AM

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"So, what I posted combined with his tax plan (assuming he was able to get the whole thing working, which of course would never happen, since a President's tax plan never actually gets put into place) WOULD in fact bring a tax cut for the middle class and an increase in taxes for the rich."

ummm, no. You posted a conversation between Clinton and Obama where it was a veritable socialist circle-jerk. At no point did they actually discuss the very thing I referenced. Good work, man.

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"So, "socialism" is bad, but spending gobs of taxpayer dollars in a stupid, unjustified war in Iraq"

Iraq war this year: 184billion
Entitlements: 1.3trillion. With a T. massive difference

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"and spending a ridiculous amount of money(that our generations will be paying back) to bailout these goddamned CEOs and banks is good"

Bailout: 700billion
Entitlements: 1.3trillion. With a T. still double the bailout.
And, by the way, I think the bailout is the worst plan imaginable, too.

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"I don't think McCain will uphold any of his proposals. Now prove me wrong. "

Well, at the very least McCain has a record of not raising taxes every time he could. But I guess you don't give a shit about how people have acted in the past.

10/23/2008 6:46:30 AM

Get your damn facts straight. The bailout is already north of 2 trillion (With a T. massive difference ) and some folks are saying it could double that before we're through, which is why all this nimbly bullshit about raising taxes and entitlement programs is a joke.

10/23/2008 7:27:45 AM

Let's be real, people. The very wealthy, because they can afford tax lawyers and all kinds of loopholes, really don’t pay nearly as much as you think they do when you just look at the percentages. Frankly, I think the first people who deserve a tax cut are working Americans with children that need to educate their children, and they’re the ones that I would support tax cuts for first.

10/23/2008 9:21:55 AM

lets just not tax income and quit bitching about how much of someones money they really deserve. As if we could know.

10/23/2008 9:49:19 AM

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"Let's be real, people. The very wealthy, because they can afford tax lawyers and all kinds of loopholes, really don’t pay nearly as much as you think they do when you just look at the percentages. Frankly, I think the first people who deserve a tax cut are working Americans with children that need to educate their children, and they’re the ones that I would support tax cuts for first."

You shut your dirty liberal mouth, John McCain!

10/23/2008 9:56:53 AM

[quote]Well, at the very least McCain has a record of not raising taxes every time he could. But I guess you don't give a shit about how people have acted in the past.[./quote]

Did you just choose to ignore the information in the videos above, or do you just not care how people have acted in the past?

10/23/2008 9:58:45 AM

Here's what I really believe: when you reach a certain level of comfort, there's nothing wrong with paying somewhat more.

10/23/2008 10:00:35 AM

And there's nothing wrong with that, as long as you don't make it mandatory.

If you feel the compulsion to share your success and "spread the wealth", then no one is going to stop you. Once someone forces me to do the same with my money, and give it to everyone who doesn't work as hard, then we have problems, because that's what they call "socialism".

10/23/2008 10:52:54 AM

So you agree, John McCain is a socialist.

10/23/2008 10:59:05 AM

^ Well there's the old McCain who said that, and then there's the new older McCain who would vote against anything the old McCain would have proposed. They're two completely different people. One of them was pretty cool and the other is running for president.

10/23/2008 11:01:50 AM

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"And there's nothing wrong with that, as long as you don't make it mandatory. If you feel the compulsion to share your success and "spread the wealth", then no one is going to stop you. Once someone forces me to do the same with my money, and give it to everyone who doesn't work as hard, then we have problems, because that's what they call "socialism"."

I agree. Well said

Its more an issue of freedom and personal property, imo.

10/23/2008 11:13:44 AM

Don't get me wrong - I'm not a big fan of McCain. He's got plenty of toxic ideas himself.

Barack Obama, though, is an unashamed socialist who honestly believes in this "share the wealth" entitlement mentality, and I can, under absolutely no circumstances, support that.

There are other equally inflammatory things that he has said that eliminate him from my consideration, but the wealth redistribution and entitlement mentality are pretty big killers. The only thing about him that's more important, in my eyes, is his rabidly anti-gun voting record.

10/23/2008 11:19:29 AM