12/20/2008 11:15:44 AM

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"Marriage is also a legal contract between two adult people. All the gov't should do is recognize the contract between them. The gov't has no place deciding who can get married. The gov't's job is to protect individual rights...not religious institutions."

Well put.

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"I don't care one way or the other, but if marriage is going to be opened up. It is only right to open it to everybody, not just gays and straights. Inter-Species Marriage Polyandrous Marriage Polygynous Marriage 1st-Cousin Marriage"

I agree completely, except for inter-species marriage.
I don't care one way or the other, but if animals are going to get legal rights, it is only right to give them all rights, not just marriage and divorce rights.

12/20/2008 12:09:54 PM

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""I don't care one way or the other, but if marriage is going to be opened up. It is only right to open it to everybody, not just gays and straights. Inter-Species Marriage Polyandrous Marriage Polygynous Marriage 1st-Cousin Marriage" "

There are a couple of things wrong with this line of thinking...

First, obviously animals can't give consent and don't really have the intelligence to understand what marriage is, that's just plainly ridiculous.

People who like incest are well understood to have psychological disorders under current prevailing theories as well as DSM IV.

I don't know what research is out there on the other 2, but other cultures and past cultures have practiced both of those. If they can be shown to not have psychological effects, then there's no reason they shouldn't be allowed, although I don't ever see mainstream society coming to embrace polygamy et al like it has been doing for gays.

12/20/2008 12:33:30 PM

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"People who like incest are well understood to have psychological disorders under current prevailing theories as well as DSM IV."

Same used to be true for people who like homosexual encounters. Under the hierarchical family structure, incest creates countless problems, sure. Under a different social arrangement, however, I see no good reason for a taboo against sex acts between related people.

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"I don't know what research is out there on the other 2, but other cultures and past cultures have practiced both of those."

First-cousin marriage has a long history as well.

12/20/2008 2:42:46 PM

^ none of that changes anything I said.

Plus, there are clear practical reasons already to oppose incest.

12/20/2008 7:12:56 PM

bump

8/4/2010 6:40:02 PM

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"Judge strikes down California's ban on same-sex marriage"

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/08/04/california.same.sex.ruling/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

Quote :

"He also granted supporters of Proposition 8 a stay, which will essentially stop his ruling from taking immediate effect. They had argued, prior to his ruling, that same-sex marriages would be performed soon after his decision and could be complicated by rulings and appeals further down the legal road."

8/4/2010 6:41:37 PM

Its easy. I don't care if gays get married but im not going to go out of my way to vote to keep it. People who don't want gays getting married are going to go vote. The only people on the other side that care enough are gays and their best friends. Thus it passes even though most people aren't against gay marriage.

8/4/2010 7:20:36 PM

Hell yeah, strike that shit down. Fuck how you feel about it, bigots.

8/5/2010 2:23:03 PM

personally, i think they should be able to get married if they want...but there was a vote on it....and the "fuck your democratic processes if I get the outcome I want" crowd (see ^) pisses me off.

8/5/2010 2:39:24 PM

^some things should not be law even if a majority votes for it. Jim Crow laws would like a word with you.

8/5/2010 2:46:06 PM

I'm bringing back the list!!!

For Gay Civil Unions/Marriages (whatever word appears in law):
BridgetSPK
agentlion
tromboner950
kwsmith2
Supplanter
NyM410
EightyFour
Prawn Star
RedGuard
StillFuchsia
EarthDogg

Against Gay Civil Unions/Marriages:
TKE-Teg
TULIPlovr
TaterSalad
Wlfpk4Life

To be clear, I used two terms, "civil unions/gay marriage," to cover everything. No semantic games are being played. If the law opts to use the term "civil union" to describe the joining of all couples, then that's the word we're settled on. If they pick "marriage," then we're going with that for all couples. No room for distinction by using two different words for gays and straights.



You all can still discuss policy and politics and whatnot. But go ahead and put your name on the list, too!!!

8/5/2010 3:07:40 PM

For Gay Civil Unions/Marriages (whatever word appears in law):
BridgetSPK
agentlion
tromboner950
kwsmith2
Supplanter
NyM410
EightyFour
Prawn Star
RedGuard
StillFuchsia
EarthDogg
Solinari

Against Gay Civil Unions/Marriages:
TKE-Teg
TULIPlovr
TaterSalad
Wlfpk4Life


How could anyone oppose them??? Mind your own F-ing business!

8/5/2010 3:11:43 PM

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"personally, i think they should be able to get married if they want...but there was a vote on it....and the "fuck your democratic processes if I get the outcome I want" crowd (see ^) pisses me off."

Democratic processes have enslaved people before. This is why the concept of rights are important; there are some things the majority shouldn't be able to will.

A BLOO BLOO BLOO MY DEMOCRACY *isn't allowed to pass discriminatory laws based on his ooga booga tribal book*

8/5/2010 4:01:52 PM

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"How could anyone oppose them??? Mind your own F-ing business!"

Quote this forever and ever, amen.

8/5/2010 4:02:22 PM

As long as marriage exists in its current form, I think it should be accessible to same sex couples. But, for the record, I think the government should have nothing to do with it. Not only that, but I'd be for dismantling the institution of marriage altogether. It's not necessary. It's not sacred. A lifelong commitment can be made without the government/clergy sanctioning it.

8/5/2010 4:12:37 PM

Granted I didn't read the whole thread, but I'd be willing to bet ^ is the most logical thing said in it.

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"Democratic processes have enslaved people before. This is why the concept of rights are important"

apples-oranges...everyone is treated exatly the same in this situation...slaves weren't. they also weren't allowed to vote on their fate, not democracy

8/5/2010 4:56:39 PM

For Gay Civil Unions/Marriages (whatever word appears in law):
BridgetSPK
agentlion
tromboner950
kwsmith2
Supplanter
NyM410
EightyFour
Prawn Star
RedGuard
StillFuchsia
EarthDogg
Solinari
Mr. Joshua

Against Gay Civil Unions/Marriages:
TKE-Teg
TULIPlovr
TaterSalad
Wlfpk4Life

8/5/2010 5:01:17 PM

^^

[Edited on August 5, 2010 at 5:01 PM. Reason : ^^]

8/5/2010 5:01:24 PM

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"pples-oranges...everyone is treated exatly the same in this situation...slavesblacks weren't."

again, personally i think they should be able to do marry whoever the hell they want, but it doesn't change the fact that the law reads the same for everyone....jim crow, women's sufferage, slavery etc... are not the same.

[Edited on August 5, 2010 at 5:05 PM. Reason : .]

8/5/2010 5:05:23 PM

Against Both Gay Civil Unions/Marriages, And Against Man/Woman Marriages:
TreeTwista10

(theres a reason that divorce rate is 50%)

8/5/2010 5:05:49 PM

Place me in the non-bigot column, please.

[Edited on August 5, 2010 at 5:10 PM. Reason : ]

8/5/2010 5:09:59 PM

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"POLITICO Breaking News: ----------------------------------------------------- The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit on Monday stayed Judge Vaughn Walker's ruling in the high-profile constitutional challenge to California's same-sex marriage ban. The appeals court agreed to hear in early December a bid by same-sex marriage opponents to appeal the case in the place of Calif. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Attorney General Jerry Brown, who have declined to file an appeal. But the court hinted in its order that it was skeptical of the opponents' standing to appeal the case."

8/16/2010 7:07:56 PM

I'm 100% for legal same sex marriage.

I'm 100% opposed to the idea of marriage though, it's a bad contract if you're a well to do guy.

8/16/2010 8:03:12 PM

^^ no shit...damn i'm surprised at that.

8/17/2010 8:53:44 AM

I'll only support same sex marriage when they drop the ban on polygamy.

8/17/2010 12:01:36 PM

I'll only support heterosexual marriage when they drop the ban on gay marriage

8/17/2010 12:21:07 PM

it's ok everyone in CA will calm down once marijuana is made legal there....

8/17/2010 12:54:47 PM