bye liverpool

[Edited on November 24, 2009 at 4:48 PM. Reason : will leave it for page 6]

11/24/2009 4:47:05 PM

HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHA


more like he can focus on how to not lose his job before New Year's

11/24/2009 4:47:07 PM

Arsenal is through to the knockout round and Rafa gets to have turkey to drown his sorrows.

11/24/2009 4:51:26 PM

Quote :

"what a big relief for rafa, he can finally focus on the epl"

theyll still end up in europa cup. so he still has european fixtures to worry about haha

[Edited on November 24, 2009 at 4:58 PM. Reason : youll never lol alone]

11/24/2009 4:57:15 PM

today's fixtures

Bayern Munich v Maccabi Haifa
Bordeaux v Juventus
CSKA Moscow v VfL Wolfsburg
Manchester United v Besiktas
AC Milan v Marseille
Real Madrid v FC Zürich
Apoel Nicosia v Atlético Madrid
FC Porto vChelsea

11/25/2009 11:11:49 AM

Could be an interesting day. Munich needs a W.

11/25/2009 11:28:42 AM

they should get a win today at home.

11/25/2009 12:35:30 PM

GOOOOOO BAYERN

11/25/2009 12:37:02 PM

Wolfsburg just scored, 19'. up 1-0 at CSKA Moskow.

11/25/2009 12:52:11 PM

http://www.justin.tv/xero_17

It's in spanish or something, but it has audio/video that streams fine

[Edited on November 25, 2009 at 1:03 PM. Reason : ]

11/25/2009 12:53:49 PM

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[Edited on November 25, 2009 at 1:39 PM. Reason : ]

11/25/2009 1:38:41 PM

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

11/25/2009 1:44:33 PM

good stream for the united game - http://iraqgoals.net/ch4.html

11/25/2009 2:58:31 PM

How does Obertan not score there?

11/25/2009 3:18:02 PM

wow. good thing that shot was off target. easily could have been 2-0 to Besiktas.

11/25/2009 3:29:57 PM

obertan sucks

he's just fast

11/25/2009 3:30:40 PM

i like Macheda better. Welbeck has played pretty well today.

[Edited on November 25, 2009 at 3:56 PM. Reason : /]

11/25/2009 3:32:50 PM

Reçber with a couple crazy saves in injury time.

11/25/2009 4:40:54 PM

LOL

11/25/2009 5:02:58 PM

back today

I believe united and wolfsburg are on FSC now.

epic make shift back line for united with park-carrick-fletcher-evra

12/8/2009 2:32:32 PM

Marseille vs Real Madrid is on FSNet. (FSSouth around Raleigh)

12/8/2009 2:48:48 PM

haha yeah this is an epic backline

nani has had 3 great breaking opportunities and has just given the ball away on 2 of those occasions...this is why you arent starting mr jefferson


epic anderson pass for welbeck to score..called offsides, ridiculously close call

[Edited on December 8, 2009 at 3:16 PM. Reason : f]

12/8/2009 3:11:06 PM

MICHAEL FREAKIN OWEN!!! WOOT WOOT


nani with a successful cross. hopefully that will build some confidence. hes got too much skill to be a waste...

[Edited on December 8, 2009 at 3:31 PM. Reason : f]

12/8/2009 3:29:11 PM

oh well...i dont think there was any way that patchwork backline was gonna keep Dzeko out for 90

12/8/2009 3:57:14 PM

wolfsburg finally get a header that goes in...carrick and fletcher are not good in the air at all as makeshift center backs haha

12/8/2009 3:58:02 PM

i hope man utd puts in magnus wolff eikrem

12/8/2009 3:58:23 PM

haha grafite blows

evra has been playing out of his mind this game. hes basically been 2 defenders out there


and now nani is injured....hopefully just a knock. thatd be like the 15th player on the injury list or something dumb

god, park sucks

[Edited on December 8, 2009 at 4:09 PM. Reason : f]

12/8/2009 4:04:22 PM

wolfsburg have taken arsenal's (no english) approach to building a squad....they have absolutely no german players lol

oh my god, park is awful....

[Edited on December 8, 2009 at 4:20 PM. Reason : f]

12/8/2009 4:13:32 PM

OBERTAN STRAIGHT NASTY!! OWEN SCORES WHATS PROBABLY THE WINNER

12/8/2009 4:23:43 PM

owen shouldve had a hat trick there...dammit

12/8/2009 4:28:43 PM

Bayern are going through it seems as they come from down 1-0 to go up 3-1 at Juventus.

12/8/2009 4:29:28 PM

OWEN HAT TRICK!!! WOOT WOOT!!!

thats why he has to be included in englands world cup squad if he is fit. the man just knows how to finish. if capello takes crouch/defoe/bent and leaves owen out then he is dumb for that. crouch and bent are awful finishers. and defoe's stats are inflated by that game against wigan where my mom couldve scored. owen is the perfect striker to have off the bench with poise, experience and lethal finishing for a last 15-30 minutes goal

[Edited on December 8, 2009 at 4:36 PM. Reason : f]

12/8/2009 4:31:25 PM

Bayern up 4-1. Real Madrid and AC Milan through

12/8/2009 4:39:34 PM

on that last goal id say owen still has some pace in him too, dribbling from half field, staying ahead of the defenders, and finishing the 1v1

12/8/2009 4:43:17 PM

Bordeaux, Bayern Munich, Man United, CSKA Moscow, Real Madrid, AC Milan, Chelsea, FC Porto, Fiorentina, Lyon, Barcelona, Sevilla, and Arsenal through. Still 3 spots to be decided tomorrow.

12/8/2009 4:45:32 PM

so no huge surprises...cska moscow might not be through with some doping allegations just come up



i really hope barcelona get knocked out tomorrow. i will be pulling for Kiev to win that shit

[Edited on December 8, 2009 at 4:53 PM. Reason : f]

12/8/2009 4:46:43 PM

If that is true, would Wolfsburg advance to the knockout round and then Besiktas go to the Europa League?

12/8/2009 4:53:36 PM

not sure, i guess so.


[Edited on December 8, 2009 at 4:55 PM. Reason : d]

12/8/2009 4:54:17 PM

Haha that would be amazing if Barca don't make it and somehow end up playing Liverpool in the Europa. That would be the biggest fail ever.

12/8/2009 5:13:47 PM

Barcelona has already qualified.

12/8/2009 5:16:25 PM

I think they have to get a point to definitely qualify. They have 8 right now, so if inter or rubin kazan win, theyll have 9. If Kiev wins, they'll have 8 also, so they could qualify too, as unlikely as that is.

12/8/2009 5:24:08 PM

yeah im not sure what the goal differential is for barca but if kiev wins it will make things interesting

if kiev win by 2 goals then they will be tied with barca on goal differential....not sure how teams get in after that

also, its a late game in kiev where it will be cold as shit...that should favor kiev at least

[Edited on December 8, 2009 at 5:30 PM. Reason : d]

12/8/2009 5:28:01 PM

My mistake I am not good at math. Barcelona must lose by 3 and the other game cannot be a draw.

12/8/2009 6:01:14 PM

Quote :

"if capello takes crouch/defoe/bent and leaves owen out then he is dumb for that. crouch and bent are awful finishers."

Check out their goal totals, awful finishers don't put up goal tallies like that consistently.

If United had Bent or Defoe, Owen would never see the field.

[Edited on December 8, 2009 at 8:19 PM. Reason : he rarely sees it as is]

12/8/2009 8:19:34 PM

yeah i dont need to. bent hasnt scored in like 2 months. crouch has less goals than owen. defoe's numbers, like i said already, are exaggerated from that wigan game where some of us couldve scored...

im not saying this just cause owen is on united...i would never ever in a million years take peter crouch. he is garbage. i would take defoe and rooney as they have been the most consistent this year. as far england's strikers go, that leaves me with about 4 left to choose. of the healthy choices left i would take carlton cole as my 3rd string, and michael owen as 4th striker and/or super sub if england need a goal...

if owen isnt healthy, though, i wouldnt risk it. but then i have no idea who id want after that...might just keep only 3 strikers and use gerrard as a subdued striker in some games kinda like he did for liverpool when they had alonso

and actually now that i think of it some more, if walcott was healthy id prob only take 3 strikers and use walcott up top as 4th string if needed

[Edited on December 8, 2009 at 8:28 PM. Reason : f]

12/8/2009 8:21:36 PM

I was arguing "hey look, ____ has more goals than Owen so he's better." I was saying that awful finishers cannot score the amount of goals those three guys score on a regular basis.


I'm not sure how one hat trick all of a sudden makes Owen the Owen of 7 or 8 years ago either. Let's see him do it consistently next year first.

Quote :

"i would never ever in a million years take peter crouch. he is garbage."

Well, you're wrong. He's no Rooney or Torres, but he's proved his worth in goals and it seems like Capello thinks he's doing something right. 18 goals in 17 starts for England? Doesn't seem like garbage to me.

[Edited on December 8, 2009 at 8:33 PM. Reason : Crouch]

12/8/2009 8:28:19 PM

he doesnt have to be the owen of 7 or 8 years ago. he still is that guy....he's just as lethal scoring right now as back then. (i might do this if im bored enough, but the amount of goals he has scored from the minutes he has played is prob close to the same amount as all the other england strikers. and he is doing it with not much time on the field to get anything done.) his pace as shown by his last goal today isnt too far off from years ago...he is just turning 30 this week. hell capello has been talking about taking owen's old striker partner heskey to the world cup...what has that guy ever done besides score a goal about every 3 months...if even that?


^have you checked who he has scored against? almost all of his goals have come against the likes of hungary, belarus, andorra, jamaica, estonia, trinidad and tobago, macedonia....i think either 5 or 6 of his goals came against andorra and jamaica....impressive.

owen's prob got more hat tricks in his career than crouch has meaningful goals. he now has at least 2 hat tricks in the country of germany...a defensive country.


[Edited on December 8, 2009 at 8:45 PM. Reason : and crouch is only 1 year younger than owen]

12/8/2009 8:34:46 PM

weak argument

You're right, a player's goal total may not entirely define a player but you can't just throw away the statistic completely. A forward is on the field to score goals and Crouch does, how else could a forward for England prove himself? By not scoring against those teams?

12/8/2009 8:44:52 PM

weak argument my ass! owen has scored against pretty much all the top teams in the world more than once...they are practically the same age and michael owen has THAT much more experience than crouch. you just must be pissed off still that lolverpool sold him off when he was still killin it in the EPL


so you are telling me with both players bodies of work...come may if michael owen has scored more goals than crouch, you would take crouch? thats ridiculous

[Edited on December 8, 2009 at 8:48 PM. Reason : f]

12/8/2009 8:46:54 PM

the "weak argument" was before your edit

I'm not taking anything away from Owen... he was a freaking baller and he very well could be that guy again. My point is that you can't get too carried away with a hat trick that's pretty much out of nowhere.

And I'm just tired of the hate thrown at Crouch all the time. He scores plenty of goals for his club teams but somehow he's a bad finisher. He scores plenty of goals for England but apparently the competition wasn't good enough so they don't mean shit.


form and fitness >> "body of work" for the WC. again, I'm not counting Owen out of anything but he's got to show me more than what he did today before I'd give him a spot. I'm not even sure how much its going to matter because of roster space anyways

and I don't think it would even be Crouch vs. Owen for a spot anyways, they're completely different players. It's probably Bent or somebody like Ablongahor that would keep him out because Crouch is going to be up against Cole and Heskey. Defoe's a lock at this point, imo

[Edited on December 8, 2009 at 8:55 PM. Reason : .]

12/8/2009 8:50:32 PM