http://www.ft86club.com has a thread with links to EVERY "first drive" of the BRZ or FRS. Check it out:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2498

Quote :

"Although that's 100 pounds less than a Civic SI and 600 less than a Mustang, it's better to judge the BRZ against a more natural competitor: the BRZ is 10 65 hp and 73 lb-ft down on the Hyundai Genesis Coupe, but is about 600 pounds lighter."

Definitely great news, but comparison to the 210 hp version of the GC is silly when the 275 hp version will be out in no time. And yet the auto rags continually do it....

12/6/2011 11:08:50 AM

but I'd buy a subaru 10 times out of 10 over a hyundai, even if it had 600 hp and cost the same

12/6/2011 11:13:49 AM

I'm not saying I'd pick the GC over the BRZ (gay name by the way, whatever happened to real names) but we're just comparing Hyundai and Subaru here. Not like Subaru is some highly prized prestigious brand.

12/6/2011 11:23:48 AM

Quote :

"http://www.ft86club.com has a thread with links to EVERY "first drive" of the BRZ or FRS. Check it out: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2498 "

Oh damn

12/6/2011 11:55:32 AM

It would appear that this car comes stock from the factory with rolled fenders. Interesting...

12/8/2011 12:57:17 PM

apparently for the subaru version you need to go up to the limited version (~$27k) in order to get the 17" wheel and spoiler upgrade

12/8/2011 1:53:19 PM

Strange. I've heard the spoiler provides no downforce and only helps improve the drag coefficient. Either way I don't think it looks good. Now wheels...I think 17s are perfect for this car.

12/8/2011 3:07:00 PM

not half bad, beside the scion badge

12/12/2011 5:05:31 PM

That's a hot car.

12/12/2011 5:13:31 PM

looks good in black!

but are those back-up lights that are really low on the rear bumper? I could do without those

12/12/2011 5:30:47 PM

hey guys i have this really light weight car and i want to put 27lb rims on it.

turbo FA20 confirmed by subie...


told ya...

now give it a low mount twin scroll turbo like the current legacy gt and a fmic...

[Edited on December 12, 2011 at 8:46 PM. Reason : .]

12/12/2011 8:28:19 PM

I might drive the beater a little bit longer, now...

12/12/2011 10:41:47 PM

FR-S First Drive, with video
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2845

Some differences between the 2:

Quote :

"To keep costs down, the Scion FR-S has manual heating, ventilation and air conditioning (HVAC) controls and a traditional key-based ignition slot on the right side of the steering column (the slightly more upscale Subaru BRZ has automatic climate control and push-button start/stop)."

Quote :

"We probed the Scion engineers, as it was our intention to elicit a confession about the mechanical differences between the Suburu BRZ and the FR-S. With carefully chosen words, they pointed out the aforementioned equipment premiums in the Subaru (of course, it is expected to be slightly more expensive). In addition, they hinted that the Scion was tuned more for sport, while the Subaru was tuned more for ride compliance. Does that mean the BRZ is slightly softer? We will have to drive both back-to-back to evaluate."

Formula Drift racer Ken Gushi drifiting the FR-S in Tokyo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rn__pNRNSI

12/13/2011 6:25:15 AM

I'll take mine in black!

Also...

Quote :

"turbo FA20 confirmed by subie..."

Yes, and they also confirmed they're using it in the WRX and specifically said NOT the BRZ

12/13/2011 8:12:40 AM

they did say "not the brz"


i thought they just didn't say anything about the brz...

12/13/2011 8:35:22 AM

a few interesting tidbits from the InsideLine "test":

Quote :

" 3. There's Solid Evidence a Turbo Is Coming Tada-san tells us the FR-S's Aisin-built six-speed manual has headroom to handle more torque, but he won't reveal how much. Still, his conspicuous laugh tells us there's enough to accommodate turbocharging. The primary benchmark for the FR-S was the Porsche Cayman. Also, for a car with a flat engine the FR-S's hood line is awfully high. Forward visibility isn't as good as we imagined it would be in a car with this layout. But this might be a worthwhile compromise. A quick look under the hood reveals several inches between the top of the intake manifold and the underside of the hood — probably enough to package an intercooler. It looks to us like there's enough real estate for a WRX-style intercooler mount with the intake manifold feeding from the rear instead of from the front as it does in normally aspirated trim."

Quote :

"Also, that engine will be rated at 200 hp in the U.S., Tada says. U.S. models will get a unique, less restrictive exhaust to bump them from 200 PS (197 SAE hp) to a full 200 SAE hp. It also adds a better exhaust note, says Tada."

Quote :

" 8. A Stripped-Down Model Is Likely A bare-bones stripper model — one with steel wheels and no amenities — will be sold in Japan. For now, the U.S. FR-S won't be offered in this trim. But it's easy to imagine this happening down the road should the platform become as popular as it deserves to be."

12/13/2011 9:53:24 AM

soooo again... i was right... 1-2 years we will have an sti with good brakes and a turbo engine w00t

they're just trying to keep it under wraps so they sell the current model.


[Edited on December 13, 2011 at 10:00 AM. Reason : .]

12/13/2011 9:56:12 AM

trd model pics

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2942

12/18/2011 10:33:22 AM

trd model pics

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2942

12/18/2011 10:33:22 AM

I don't know how anyone can put that huge quad exhaust on that car with a straight face. It's like giving an Integra or Civic Si dual exhaust

12/19/2011 9:36:14 AM

You'll shit bricks when you see it...



[Edited on December 19, 2011 at 10:51 AM. Reason : .]

12/19/2011 10:49:12 AM

^^ hey... in boxxer 4 land we keep 1 cam, and 1 pipe per cylinder... i'm supprised there hasn't been a quad scroll turbo invented yet...


But seriously... anything with 1 turbo needs no more then 1 pipe... anything with 2 turbos needs no more then 2 pipes

12/19/2011 11:27:15 AM

^well this BRZ/FRS has one bigass muffler with exhaust tips coming out of both ends, just like Nissan's 350/370 and Murano.

Meh

12/19/2011 1:29:35 PM

no i agree it's dumb... i wish my car only had a single exhaust. ..

y pipes are dumb..

12/19/2011 1:35:46 PM

supposed preorder page, not sure what to make of this

http://www.scionfirst86.com/

[Edited on January 12, 2012 at 5:35 PM. Reason : ]

1/12/2012 5:33:43 PM

^ it's just an entry for the drawing they're having for the first 86 owners. I haven't seen anything saying whether they're going to be special in anyway other than the first 86 VINs.

1/12/2012 6:39:17 PM

^^Looks pretty gay to me. A contest to be the first few to own a Scion...

What is the world coming to?

1/13/2012 11:02:32 AM

lol i'll just go to the subaru dealer instead.

srsly though when 4 trbo?

i need a new DD i hate electrical gremlins lol.

1/13/2012 11:05:46 AM

STi Concept at Tokyo Auto Salon today

1/13/2012 12:35:52 PM

Oh look hood vents! Those must be there to help dissipate an increased heat load from forced induction.


Oh nevermind, just some ricer crap

1/13/2012 1:32:56 PM

Quote :

" EPIC RICER CRAP "

1/13/2012 1:57:20 PM

wurs da boost pump on dat ESS TEE EYE

1/13/2012 3:15:17 PM

Quote :

"lol i'll just go to the subaru dealer instead. "

yeah, good luck just strollin up to the dealership and expecting to find one to test drive

1/13/2012 3:52:56 PM

by summer the in-rush should be done... should be pretty easy to get one after that.

1/16/2012 9:23:04 AM

^True, but Specter might have been referring to Subaru being real assholes about test drives maybe? I know they don't really let anyone test drive STI's.

1/16/2012 11:06:01 AM

then go to a scion dealer.

They'd be happy just to have a car people want rather then one they just settle for.

1/16/2012 11:07:47 AM

I'm just saying...they're known for that.

1/16/2012 1:11:05 PM

ohh i know... in 05 they let me test drive a loaded lgt but wouldn't let me breath on an sti that actually was cheaper then the lgt they let me drive... go figure..

1/16/2012 1:14:54 PM

about half way in they dyno it at 172 PS and they show engine guts (open deck block ftl however it does seem that the sleeves ar thicker... probably because the bore is 9mm smaller.

1/23/2012 8:49:59 PM

Wish I knew what they were saying. 172ps sounds about right though. Looks like it could be a fun car, but I'm not sure I would want to spend $25k on one.

1/23/2012 9:22:26 PM

as soon as someone makes a programer for the turbo genesis it won't be worth much.

But until then i like it a lot. and if trd really is making a twin screw kit for it.... i think that will be the tits.

1/23/2012 11:25:01 PM

the s2k motor is open deck and strong as any inline four needs to be.

oh sorry forgot this pos is made by subaru. i understand your concerns.



[Edited on January 24, 2012 at 8:14 AM. Reason : .]

1/24/2012 8:13:42 AM

.... yes and if you exceed the limitations of the rod on your s2k you also exceed the limitations on your sleeves as well.

I'm not stupid any of the uber power s2k guys sleeve their motors too.

1/24/2012 8:26:41 AM

its an import tin can, you dont need to sleeve the block to have missed the point of the platform.

1/24/2012 8:28:27 AM

ahhh see that's where most subies differ... they're not completely useless above 400hp because we still have plenty of traction there matter of fact... that's just when it starts to become fun and not some lumbering understeering oaf.


Which brings up a good point... if they do make a turbo version... stage 2 (should be around 250-300 whp) should be one hell of a perfect setup.

[Edited on January 24, 2012 at 8:31 AM. Reason : .]

1/24/2012 8:30:43 AM

You could run 400WHP until youre blue in the face with a good open deck engine.


Dont hate because one company didnt execute.



[Edited on January 24, 2012 at 6:10 PM. Reason : .]

1/24/2012 6:09:09 PM

Ford Ecoboost 3.5 is open deck...

1/24/2012 6:14:30 PM

^^ and how was i hating i never said the s2000k was a bad car, its fun to drive stock... my legacy was entertaining but it wasn't fun. AND i applied s2000k logic to the new brz.. which means if you go past 300-350 wheel you've completely blown the balance of the car... unless you're a drifter.

Yeah i'm just saying for the 4 banger crazies... i mean it takes 25- 30 psi on an ej25 to get into the 500whp range and then they start to jack up because the bore distorts.

i mean the ecoboost has 1.5x the pistons to spread the load around and the smaller bore means they're probably stronger anyway so where 450 seems to be the ej brick wall before sleeves are needed, 1.5x that would be plenty of power for a taurus or a truck not to mention the subies have a crappy sleeving process that allows them to use thinner sleeves.


I just like closed deck blocks because they make me feel like the bore is sturdier.

[Edited on January 25, 2012 at 8:17 AM. Reason : .]

1/25/2012 8:03:46 AM

sumfoo1 quit hating on me car

1/25/2012 9:16:44 AM

LOL i'm not!! i wish i had an s2000 but i wanted a 4 door.

I do think it's a better drivers car especially at legal speeds.

Where awd starts to help handling is when a rwd car starts to be difficult to put the power down... up until then its just a understeering oaf.

I'm knocking MY car. I just got to a point where i can get the car to relax and round the corner rather then push like a pig through it.

1/25/2012 10:35:12 AM