make smokers have to wear large bubbles over their heads instead

problem solved

1/2/2010 6:00:44 PM

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"Or I could read the vast majority of research on this subject published in the last twenty years. There's no way you could say second-hand smoke isn't harmful."

You're right. But I will say that second-hand smoke isn't as harmful as most people think.

From the other thread:

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"the studies on secondhand smoke from Red Cross and American Lung Association site incessantly was actually thrown out because of a lack of firm evidence. the results of the environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality in a prospective study of Californians do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect and the association between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed."

http://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=561903

1/2/2010 6:04:42 PM

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"way to generalize there buddy."

On the whole, the majority of smokers in this area don't give a fuck who is in the building when they puff up. To me, that's a shitty asshole. I don't expect you to understand this.

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"but most of the time when you go to a downtown place with blended demographics on a Friday night, the inconsiderate assholes are just as, if not more often non-smokers"

rofl. Sure bud, whateva.

1/2/2010 6:05:56 PM

wow
you sure think a lot of yourself.


who are you anyway?

[Edited on January 2, 2010 at 6:09 PM. Reason : i would like to see the statistics on this "majority of smokers" you speak of]

1/2/2010 6:06:43 PM

Smokers are much better tippers than non-smokers. This I know first-hand.

1/2/2010 6:08:32 PM

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"There is simply no reason to subject such a large majority of the population to the ill effects of the minority when the minority is only in the slightest of inconvenienced by this new law. "

I seem to have missed the section in the constitution that allows for trampling the rights of the minority in favor of the majority. Could you point that out for me? K thx

Edit: FYI, the minority I'm referring to are the business owners being told what they can or can not allow on their private property. Not the smokers themselves. Thought I'd clear that up.

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"but with no money to enforce the law and two citations required before even a tiny fine can be issued"

Yeah at 200 bucks a violation (and from what I can tell from reading the bill, you can only be hit with one violation per day) they're not going to collect enough money to bother enforcing this unless someone really raises a stink. I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple of bars say fuck it and allow smoking. It would only take a fractional increase in patronage for them to recoup the penalty everyday.

[Edited on January 2, 2010 at 6:11 PM. Reason : .]

1/2/2010 6:10:01 PM

Does the National Cancer Institute count as legit science

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Tobacco/ETS#r2

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"# Does exposure to secondhand smoke cause cancer? Yes. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the U.S. National Toxicology Program (NTP), the U.S. Surgeon General, and the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) have classified secondhand smoke as a known human carcinogen (cancer-causing agent) (1, 3, 5). Inhaling secondhand smoke causes lung cancer in nonsmoking adults (4). Approximately 3,000 lung cancer deaths occur each year among adult nonsmokers in the United States as a result of exposure to secondhand smoke (2). The Surgeon General estimates that living with a smoker increases a nonsmoker’s chances of developing lung cancer by 20 to 30 percent (4). Some research suggests that secondhand smoke may increase the risk of breast cancer, nasal sinus cavity cancer, and nasopharyngeal cancer in adults, and leukemia, lymphoma, and brain tumors in children (4). Additional research is needed to learn whether a link exists between secondhand smoke exposure and these cancers. "

1/2/2010 6:11:40 PM

rawr rawr rawr eventhough i do not smoke and am smart enough to avoid 2nd hand smoke since it has been known for over 50 years that smoking is bad for you, I feel its my righteous duty to force others to not smoke also.

1/2/2010 6:12:49 PM

^ I dealt with you on the last page. Leave.

1/2/2010 6:15:17 PM

^^^you know the study from the EPA is under a lot of criticism, right?

1/2/2010 6:16:24 PM

Wonder how much longer before NC starts trying to ban trans fats?

1/2/2010 6:16:32 PM

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"I dealt with you on the last page. Leave."

or what?

1/2/2010 6:17:34 PM

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"I seem to have missed the section in the constitution that allows for trampling the rights of the minority in favor of the majority. Could you point that out for me? K thx"

For the millionth time, your rights aren't being trampled. YOU AREN'T BEING PREVENTED FROM SMOKING IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO WHERE YOU WANT TO PARTY AND DRINK AND BE SOCIAL, OR EAT, ETC. You just can't continue to do it in a fashion that harms those that don't smoke.

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"you sure think a lot of yourself."

Well, I know I've never lit up and smoked in an area where someone doesnt' smoke is. That puts me ahead of most smokers

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"i would like to see the statistics on this "majority of smokers" you speak of]"

What are you talking about? Just walk in to your average bar, most people that smoke will light up at one point during their time out, especially when it is cold.

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"Smokers are much better tippers than non-smokers. This I know first-hand."

Is it because you're more social with smokes since you're enfatuated with all things hipster? Dude, you guys are so cool, with the way you take drags off your cigs. Man you're rebels....Dude, we like you, you're a fun waiter, let me tip you more.

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"Edit: FYI, the minority I'm referring to are the business owners being told what they can or can not allow on their private property. Not the smokers themselves. Thought I'd clear that up."

Congrats, you haven't read any of that thread.

1/2/2010 6:17:35 PM

I'm not a waiter.

1/2/2010 6:18:30 PM

what's going on in here?

1/2/2010 6:18:31 PM

^^^ what are you even talking about

[Edited on January 2, 2010 at 6:19 PM. Reason : .]

1/2/2010 6:18:49 PM

Which study, they don't reference the EPA, they reference

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"U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke: A Report of the Surgeon General. Rockville, MD: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Coordinating Center for Health Promotion, National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion, Office on Smoking and Health, 2006."

Maybe those studies reference the EPA, I'm not bothering to dig that deeply.

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"I'm not a waiter."

I give two shits not about what you do. I find it mildly hard to believe smokers in general would be better tippers. The point still stands, you're probably just more open to smokers in your line of work because you think they are so cool (while oddly being too pussy to smoke yourself) and thus they tip you better.

[Edited on January 2, 2010 at 6:21 PM. Reason : .]

1/2/2010 6:19:45 PM

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"I'm not bothering to dig that deeply."

1/2/2010 6:20:28 PM

you have an answer for everything, even if its a horrible one.

in this thread at least, you remind me a lot of Bob Dumas

1/2/2010 6:21:00 PM

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"Does exposure to secondhand smoke cause cancer? Yes. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)..."

1/2/2010 6:21:25 PM

Wow, are you that dumb? They mention the EPA because they classify cig smoke as a carcinogen. Then they site other sources about second hand smoke.

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"you have an answer for everything, even if its a horrible one."

It's the internet, everyone has an answer for everything...even you.

[Edited on January 2, 2010 at 6:23 PM. Reason : .]

1/2/2010 6:22:49 PM

1/2/2010 6:24:12 PM

Environmental oxygen is also a carcinogen. BAN IT!

1/2/2010 6:24:34 PM

um, no actually.

ive asked quite a few questions on here about things i dont know.
im pretty good about listening to people.

1/2/2010 6:24:47 PM

It wouldn't surprise me if some of the claims haven't been exaggerated in the name of public health (like begonias is suggesting).

Pretty lame since it just undermines the truth, which is that second-hand smoke is harmful.

It's kinda like the global warming research. We're all gonna be wiped out by hurricanes and volcanoes by 2011 if we don't ride bikes!

[Edited on January 2, 2010 at 6:25 PM. Reason : ]

1/2/2010 6:25:01 PM

NO, YOU'RE DUMB

1/2/2010 6:26:36 PM

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"It's kinda like the global warming research. We're all gonna be wiped out by hurricanes and volcanoes by 2011 if we don't ride bikes!"

global warming is a lie, everyone knows we're going to be wiped out by manbearpig

1/2/2010 6:26:59 PM

1/2/2010 6:29:56 PM

IF I WANT TO PUNCH BABIES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY I CAN DO IT, OK

THIS IS AMERICA

WHERE LAWS DO NOT EXTEND TO PRIVATE PROPERTY

AND SOCIETY DOES NOT DICTATE SOCIAL NORMS

BASICALLY AMERICA IS THE STREETS AND HIGHWAYS I DRIVE ON

MAYBE SOME GOVERNMENT OWNED FIELDS, TOO, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE

BUT WHEN I PULL IN MY GARAGE I'M ALLOWED TO PUNCH BABIES AND SMOKE AS MUCH CRACK AS I WANT

THAT'S FREEDOM MOTHERFUCKER

THAT'S WHAT AMERICA'S ABOUT

STREETS THAT MY TAXES PAY FOR

NOT LEGISLATED INCONVENIENCE

1/2/2010 6:31:15 PM

^ Yeah, you're retarded.

We're talking about something that is legal to do virtually everywhere else. Furthermore, this law doesn't criminalize smoking indoors. Punching a baby would definitely be a criminal act.

[Edited on January 2, 2010 at 6:34 PM. Reason : .]

1/2/2010 6:32:55 PM

Us Guidos love this law so we can fist pump without gettin smoke in our hair gel

^^you realize punching babies is assault and battery and child abuse and smoking crack is illegal...whereas cigarettes are legal if you're >= 18

[Edited on January 2, 2010 at 6:34 PM. Reason : .]

1/2/2010 6:33:10 PM

Retarded and smoke-free.


I win.

1/2/2010 6:34:53 PM

i hope you guys had a merry christmas

1/2/2010 6:35:25 PM

people who smoke crack are not great tippers

this i also know first-hand

1/2/2010 6:35:29 PM

what about baby punchers?

1/2/2010 6:35:55 PM

baby punchers happen to be excellent tippers

1/2/2010 6:36:43 PM

baby-punchers can be good tippers

but only if they smoke

but not around their babies

then they're dirt

1/2/2010 6:38:00 PM

it's true



I both punch babies AND tip well

[Edited on January 2, 2010 at 6:38 PM. Reason : but I dont smoke]

1/2/2010 6:38:03 PM

1/2/2010 6:41:52 PM

that dude went out like a little bitch

1/2/2010 6:43:22 PM

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"Us Guidos love this law so we can fist pump without gettin smoke in our hair gel"

No wonder KilJadin supports this.

1/2/2010 6:56:13 PM

because I'm a guido. right.


why don't you go try to find your other brain cell so you can at least say you've got two to rub together, you fucking slobbering retard?

1/2/2010 6:59:11 PM

clearly he is talking about this KilJadin character

1/2/2010 7:00:46 PM

wtf is going on in this thread?

1/2/2010 7:01:03 PM

NONSENSE

1/2/2010 7:02:06 PM

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"the best part about this whole 5 page argument is how I can go to bars now and come out not smelling like smoke while you faggots dream about a utopia that doesn't regulate shit on a messageboard I get my way and you're railing on about shit that's a pipe dream God bless America"

lol look at this guy hahahahaha

"hell yea man people passed the law!! the law is popular! go fuck yourself" -- Jim Crow supporter

1/2/2010 7:12:21 PM

McDanger

1/2/2010 7:14:37 PM

btw it's worth pointing out the only people bent on discussing how "cool" smoking is perceived to be are not smokers

smokers don't give a fuck if it looks cool or not and often realize that people judge them for doing it. they have their own reasons for engaging in the habit

1/2/2010 7:16:17 PM

like their debilitating need to ruin everyone else around them's surroundings



I KID I KID


but seriously take that shit outside


ITS THE LAW

[Edited on January 2, 2010 at 7:18 PM. Reason : .]

1/2/2010 7:18:28 PM

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"The difference here is that I don't agree with removing the owner's choice about whether or not his establishment allows smoking."

If the owner is that hard up to allow smoking, he can become a cigar bar or a "private" club that charges $1 membership. That's what they've been doing in King County since their smoking ban was passed.

1/2/2010 9:17:01 PM