Herb beat them 4 times in 10 years...Hodge hit a 3 at the buzzer to send one of those 4 wins to overtime

I think he was like 4-17

Lowe is 1-8 so far

2/13/2010 6:29:02 PM

My last post made more sense before bryan got the joke and complete changed his post.

2/13/2010 6:30:25 PM

no. herb was 3-50 against unc in 10 years. we had to play unc every 5 days, but he managed to pull it off.

lol

2/13/2010 6:32:52 PM

HOW DO I HYPERBOLE

2/13/2010 6:33:49 PM

Herb beat Matt Doherty 4 times

He is 0-for-life against Roy

Sidney has at least beaten Roy (once)

2/13/2010 6:34:28 PM

PG: Harrow(Jr)
SG: Brown (Jr)
SF: Wood (Sr), Davis (Sr)
PF: Cothron(Jr), Painter (Sr)
C: Howell (Sr), Vandenburg (Sr)

That is what two consecutive good recruiting classes has set the table for. Find a flaw with that lineup. All upper classmen, terrific starting lineup, and great depth at three frontcourt spots.

It's going to be difficult to recruit a good PG the next two years with Harrow here but I would imagine he'll be a 35+ minute guard anyway and Brown supposedly has the ability to slide to PG.

That leaves us only to find a backup SG prospect who can give good minutes as a Fr. or So. with a backup option of sliding Wood to SG in a real jam and letting Davis play the 3.

That's an ACC contender. Care to disagree?

[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 6:42 PM. Reason : frontcourt]

2/13/2010 6:40:26 PM

The flaw is that we're going to run the guy out of town before he ever gets the chance

2/13/2010 6:41:36 PM

if by league contender you mean 10th or 9th place next year then no i do not contend with you.

2/13/2010 6:42:11 PM

You guys wanna blow that lineup up? Really?

Okay fine, here's how you do it. Keep harping on the negatives and focusing on running Lowe out of town.

Then we can get Lo Brown going thru the motions like Fells did, Davis can transfer to the SoCon for more minutes, Cothron can pull his soft-verbal, Howell can leave early for pro basketball (whether NBA or not like Costner), Vandenburg can mail it in to go back to Australia...

To replace them we can trot out a bunch of no name freshmen and transfers that our new coach scrambles to sign at the last minute like Degand, Bartosz, Terd Ferguson,and Mays.


Blow it all up, it'll totally be worth it.

[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 6:51 PM. Reason : forgot fergie]

2/13/2010 6:48:56 PM

Quote :

"PG: Harrow(Jr) SG: Brown (Jr) SF: Wood (Sr), Davis (Sr) PF: Cothron(Jr), Painter (Sr) C: Howell (Sr), Vandenburg (Sr) That is what two consecutive good recruiting classes has set the table for. Find a flaw with that lineup."

flaws found. Brown may not be here 3 years, he's already a year out of high school and from what I hear has no reservations about going pro when he's ready. Wood/Davis has potential but I don't think it's a guarantee that duo gives us great production at any point in their career. I don't know about Cothron/Painter either. Waiting 8 years for a good line up is dumb, also

2/13/2010 6:53:38 PM

In Herb's FIFTH season we lost 9 consecutive ACC games to go from first place in the ACC to 5-11.

In his next season a heralded recruiting class of Hodge, Watkins, Powell, Collins, and Evtimov came to campus and helped lead us to five consecutive NCAA tournaments.

We return BETTER talent next year than we did that year (Grundy and almost nothing else)

Our recruiting class is just as good this year than that year (Hodge and Powell the rest never developed)


On top of that once Sidney gets players his system will allow players to PLAY rather than watch like Herb's did.

You guys are just stunningly wrong here.

2/13/2010 7:11:09 PM

^As much as I disagreed with your opinions on Sendek when he was here I have to hand it to you for speaking the truth.

2/13/2010 7:20:56 PM

rally is right on this one. I would be very surprised if we don't make the ncaas.

2/13/2010 7:22:39 PM

use to looove this guy. one a my favritz.

no but i am really starting to see your points rally. i don't think we need a new coach at all. i honestly think a couple grundies, our commitments to follow through, and some maturity in these guys and we are solid gold next year. no sarcasm at all.

[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 8:20 PM. Reason : 8]

2/13/2010 8:18:11 PM

yeah, i too want us to be good once every 6 years.

if I had to put money on it, I would bet my life savings that we don't win half our ACC games next year.

2/13/2010 8:22:38 PM

Your relentless optimism is kind of mindblowing.

This is NC State.

2/13/2010 8:29:29 PM

go team!

come on guyz, give lowe a break, he's only in his fourth year!

Next year, OMG, great class coming in!

Just wait!

2/13/2010 8:33:02 PM

[Edited on February 13, 2010 at 8:34 PM. Reason : lol nm]

2/13/2010 8:34:00 PM

one more year and we will be at the top!

2/13/2010 8:41:06 PM

Quote :

"Find a flaw with that lineup."

They will be coached by Sidney Lowe.

/thread

2/13/2010 9:35:48 PM

hi i'm fattony and i know nothing about coaching basketball!

2/13/2010 10:15:39 PM

^Really? So Sid and I have something in common.

2/13/2010 10:31:15 PM

for someone who apparently knows nothing about coaching basketball (according to you at least) Sidney Lowe is HIGHLY respected in the NBA.

2/13/2010 10:33:01 PM

He was an excellent assistant coach.

2/13/2010 10:33:48 PM

Poor Sid sucks balls

fuck this program

2/13/2010 11:03:08 PM

65 - 58 Sidney Lowe - First 4 years at NCSU
62 - 57 Coach K - First 4 years at DUKE
61 - 57 Gary Williams- First 4 years at Maryland

I realize the situations are all different but K and Williams also had previous NCAA coaching experience. I am not saying Lowe is the next Coach K but if you are the All-Time ACC leader in Assist to Turnover ratio you probably know a thing or two about the game.

Next year we will have a five star point guard, two other good guards (if you count Javi who has gotten better every year), a shooter who will be able to start shooting transition, wide open and inside out threes whereas now he has to run through 10 screens and then curl or dribble into his shot to get open and at least one good big man.

If you can't see that we are headed in the right direction and that Sidney is starting to get the pieces in place then you really don't know basketball. I'm with Rally on this one.

Let's just support the team and see what happens. The only reasons we even got Harrow are because Lowe is the coach and the fans have always supported him. If two years from now we are still in last then we can say goodbye to Lowe.

2/13/2010 11:06:53 PM

jesus

we really are going to continue to suck if we have to give our coaches 5+ years to reach .500

reach back 20 years ago and a state fan wouldn't accept this bs. Now, it's the norm.

Fuck Fuck Fuck this program.

2/13/2010 11:09:16 PM

NO ONE ANYWHERE would accept this shit


I really don't get why there's this drive to allow this shit to "give him time." In every other sport I follow, coaches are given much shorter timelines. They are meant to be professionals whose jobs are to lead their players to win. If they aren't winning, they are fucking failing. No excuses. Not doing the job you're hired to do is FAILURE.


If greasy Calipari can go to UK and make them a national title contender in ONE YEAR, and we're struggling to win 2 fucking conference games after 5 years, and people are STILL apologizing for coaching failures, then there's a sincere fucking problem with the level of expectation that we've set for our team and our staff.

Hell, Mangini got run out of the Jets job after two years. It's common in Europe for soccer managers to lose their jobs after a 5 game slide. Hell, sometimes coached get fired because they won, but didn't win ENOUGH. I just don't understand this inbred culture of failure that seems to permeate through our entire fucking athletic program.

2/13/2010 11:54:39 PM

Quote :

"If greasy Calipari can go to UK and make them a national title contender in ONE YEAR, "

Well it could be because he cheats... Are you another one of those idiot fans that wishes we had Calipari? Also having the best freshman class in the nation including the best pg in the game could have something to do with it... Building a program takes time. If you switch from coach to coach every 4 years you will be destined for failure. This isn't a pro-sport where you can pay and get in new talent (unless you are the aforementioned Calipari).

2/14/2010 9:42:02 AM

Quote :

"for someone who apparently knows nothing about coaching basketball (according to you at least) Sidney Lowe is HIGHLY respected in the NBA."

I would "respect" a coach who's team I consistently beat the shit out of too.

2/14/2010 10:16:16 AM

We've reached an all new Lowe. Get it, see what happened there?

2/14/2010 10:31:52 AM

i'll go ahead and say i'm one of those idiot fans who wishes we had calipari.

2/14/2010 10:49:00 AM

i, too, would LOVE to have Calipari

2/14/2010 11:05:57 AM

so is BigEgo the only one left at this point who thinks Sid is a good coach?

2/14/2010 11:43:48 AM

^^^, ^^
Calipari would bring excitement and great players for a while, then when he gets caught with recruiting violations he would leave us with our dicks in the wind and fuck the program over.

I think Sidney deserves at least one more year

[Edited on February 14, 2010 at 11:48 AM. Reason : a]

2/14/2010 11:47:56 AM

Quote :

"Are you another one of those idiot fans that wishes we had Calipari?"

lol what?


^at this pt i would def take a few years probation for a few years success

2/14/2010 11:50:14 AM

Somehow all this shit is exactly why I like ncstate.. It's because of all this, that the coming years of beating the hell out of the ACC again like days of old is going to be that much sweeter when it does happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nJpPGBa-Ic

and all that maryland karma will end with us doing something like this to them again. because for what it's worth we took them down in such a mind blowing way in '74 that 100 wins against us since and they still feel inferior

[Edited on February 14, 2010 at 11:55 AM. Reason : 3]

2/14/2010 11:50:40 AM

Quote :

"I just don't understand this inbred culture of failure that seems to permeate through our entire fucking athletic program."

As long as Fowler is here, this mindset will always be here because he will continue to fuck up coaching choices and everything else he is involved in. I like Lowe, and I hope we give him one more year because if for no other reason if Fowler conducts another coaching choice after this year, then we will be precisely back where we started from 4 years ago when Herb left--our great recruiting class bailing and starting from scratch with a new set of excuses for the next mediocre guy.

[Edited on February 14, 2010 at 12:09 PM. Reason : s]

2/14/2010 12:08:50 PM

Quote :

"at this pt i would def take a few years probation for a few years success"

And subsequent vacating of those wins because he cheated? You guys are immature little pricks who would rather be caught cheating just to get a couple of wins that get taken away anyway... I still think Lowe is a good coach. The issue right now (and for his entire tenure here) is having a lack of talent at the guard position.

2/14/2010 12:31:58 PM

Quote :

"fuck this program"

If that's really how you feel, THEN WHY DO YOU KEEP FOLLOWING THE TEAM AND POSTING YOUR CYNICAL EMOTIONAL RANTS ON HERE?

Find another team to "support", cry-baby.

[Edited on February 14, 2010 at 12:41 PM. Reason : ]

2/14/2010 12:35:01 PM

patience is a virtue.

2/14/2010 9:02:06 PM

2/14/2010 9:11:51 PM

2/14/2010 9:39:08 PM

In down time ppl just bitching a lot. And it's always the negative voices that are louder on those message boards. Like ppl who win money from Vegas make everyone know and the losers will let it go quietly, so all you can hear is ppl can make money in Vegas! But I think this is really the time that needs patience. I will always support my team and hopefully we'll be great in near future.
Never give up, never.

2/14/2010 10:44:59 PM

I can't understand why there's any question as to whether or not Lowe will be here next year. Nothing has happened that should even remotely put him on the hotseat. I don't care if we do only end up with 2 or 3 ACC wins this year, there's only so much you can expect out of a team full of inexperience with only one good guard and little leadership.

I support this thread.

Go Pack

2/14/2010 11:11:51 PM

so are a handful of well-coached games (Old Spice tournament '07? Duke this year? That Marquette win?) over 3 years really worth considering someone a good coach over.

because, otherwise...

we're essentially saying that we're keeping lowe so we don't lose 3 recruits, not because he's a good coach.

Why do you think he's a good coach?

[Edited on February 15, 2010 at 12:03 AM. Reason : .]

2/15/2010 12:02:16 AM

Quote :

"We've reached an all new Lowe. Get it, see what happened there?"

hey thats funny

2/15/2010 12:12:43 AM

Quote :

"If greasy Calipari can go to UK and make them a national title contender in ONE YEAR..."

Really? that situation is relevant at all?. I mean geez, a guy who was one of the most winning coaches in college at the time goes to the school with more wins than anyone in NCAA history and has success right away? How does that relate to us?

I know our storied history but the nation doesn't view us an elite program that fell from grace. Most every announcer on tv and person outside of the NC area thinks we are a mediocre at best ACC team that had that lucky championship run in '83. We are at best a little brother compared to UNC and Duke.

My point is what WE expect and what other people expect out of us are two different things. The significance of that is it affects what coaches and recruits want to come here

[Edited on February 15, 2010 at 12:38 AM. Reason : I think Lowe deserves 2 more seasons then re-evaluate]

2/15/2010 12:37:57 AM

Quote :

"In every other sport I follow, coaches are given much shorter timelines. "

Did jadn really just compare professional coaching jobs (particularly the EPL) to college coaching jobs?

We don't have a general manager, we don't have an owner

We can't go out and buy top-flight talent to fit our coach

C'mon guy

2/15/2010 12:59:23 AM

I still support Lowe despite this latest swoon. I agree pretty much with everything Rally has been arguing in this thread. Plus firing Lowe right now serves no purpose. We will not get a good coach to come here especially if Fowler is still around. Maybe if Fowler was fired first, I'd feel a little different. Give Sid at least next year to show some improvement and then decide his future.

2/15/2010 9:20:05 AM