Alright I'm going. Anyone else wanna hop in . Probably going to leave around 11 or 11:30 from N Raleigh

3/14/2013 10:46:52 PM

Cheapest stubhub tickets for afternoon session is $15, but for UNC/Duke session it's $80

3/14/2013 10:47:53 PM

Its a good thing they had the tournament in Greensboro so we could get this lovely sellout.

By far the worst venue of every major tournament.

By far the worst city of every major tournament.

Hell, the high mid majors even have better tournament locations.

3/14/2013 11:38:39 PM

Thursday in Atlanta last year was just the same as today.

3/14/2013 11:40:32 PM

Clemson vs. Florida State at 9pm on a Thursday would have people lined up around the block at Madison Square Garden

3/14/2013 11:42:35 PM

No doubt TT

3/14/2013 11:43:28 PM

^^^which is why theres no point in having it in greensboro. Its going to be the same regardless.

3/14/2013 11:45:24 PM

Clemson game getting somewhat interesting

3/14/2013 11:46:00 PM

we should hold it in New York City, so students from the #1 seed in the conference only have to drive 20 hours to see their team play

3/14/2013 11:48:07 PM

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"Its a good thing they had the tournament in Greensboro so we could get this lovely sellout,, , [user]That E Man[/user]"

I mean seriously, Greensboro is in the middle of nowhere. It's totally unaccessible to ACC fans, especially the NC fans, whose teams have won 50 of the 59 ACC tournaments.

3/14/2013 11:49:32 PM

FSU trying to fuck up

3/14/2013 11:49:36 PM

What the fuck is FSU doing? Good thing Clemson sucks

3/14/2013 11:49:48 PM

FSU has gone full retard.

3/14/2013 11:49:58 PM

not supposed to be homecourt for the best team but its a conspiracy to have it for unc. the tournament was fine moving around. I enjoyed spring break in tampa much better than DC or atlanta anyhow.

TT10 does not know what he's talking about. Theres no way having a tournament in the middle of nowhere can be good for the conference. might as well have it in the dean dome.

Atlanta
Chicago
Vegas
Greensboro
NYC
DC
Kansas city

Which of these does not belong?

[Edited on March 14, 2013 at 11:52 PM. Reason : hmm]

3/14/2013 11:50:32 PM

definitely a conspiracy for UNC since Duke has won it like 9 of the last 10 years or something

also lets hold it in NYC so its a home game for Syracuse every year

and i dont have any problem with it rotating around between various cities, whether Greensboro, NYC, etc

Bilas is the one who, earlier this week, said it should permanently move to MSG

[Edited on March 14, 2013 at 11:52 PM. Reason : .]

3/14/2013 11:51:46 PM

lol at the last 30 seconds of this game

3/14/2013 11:52:00 PM

Jesus, how much money do the refs have on this game? They have dragged Clemson right back into this despite the tigers trying desperately not to get closer.

3/14/2013 11:52:33 PM

Lets have it at the Meadowlands so its a home game for Duke

3/14/2013 11:52:45 PM

Why would you make it close for the schools whose fans are going to come if you have it in Pyongyang? Its a bad business model.

3/14/2013 11:53:10 PM

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"Atlanta Chicago Vegas Greensboro NYC DC Kansas city Which of these does not belong?"

well, Chicago, Vegas and KC don't belong in the ACC tournament discussion

E Man wants it to rotate back and forth between Panama City and Daytona Beach, because its all about Spring Break!!

[Edited on March 14, 2013 at 11:54 PM. Reason : .]

3/14/2013 11:53:31 PM

ohman

3/14/2013 11:53:40 PM

Those are sites of confrerence tournaments not potential acc sites but sites in general.

3/14/2013 11:54:47 PM

lets move the College World Series to Los Angeles

Omaha is not a good vacation destination

3/14/2013 11:56:01 PM

Quote :

"TT10 does not know what he's talking about. Theres no way having a tournament in the middle of nowhere can be good for the conference. might as well have it in the dean dome."

Is this script? When I was reading this, I immediately pictured cartoon face responding to cartoon tree.

3/14/2013 11:56:29 PM

Time for upset Friday at the acc tourney

3/14/2013 11:57:44 PM

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"Theres no way having a tournament in the middle of nowhere can be good for the conference."

having the conference tourney in New York has helped the Big East remain a strong, stable conference

3/14/2013 11:59:03 PM

Florida State has a good shot at beating UNC, in my opinion. A little worried about our game, but I think we'll pull it out.

3/15/2013 12:00:10 AM

because basketball is why the conference broke up

why am i posting with people that dont know sports?

3/15/2013 12:01:10 AM

where should this year's ACC tourney be held, The E Man?

3/15/2013 12:03:17 AM

If you have to play it safe and have it in NC, then have it in Charlotte which is nice and not much further.

Theres also solid choices like

DC
Atlanta
Tampa

which are all proven

And you could always experiment every once in a while with an venue you don't know how it will turn out...

Miami?
Boston?

With the new teams added you could play around with Brooklyn and Indianapolis.

Just don't have it in Greensboro unless they magically build a state of the art facility or magically become something that resembles an up and coming shitty city and not a dumptown.

3/15/2013 12:10:08 AM

I thought that it is normally in greensboro. I dont get all of the fuss

3/15/2013 12:11:26 AM

The fuss is because it is normally in Greensboro which sucks as a venue, destination and attendance has faded to terrible over the years because I'm pretty sure people are tired of taking vacation time and flying to a shithole every year just to watch 1 basketball game.

[Edited on March 15, 2013 at 12:15 AM. Reason : it makes no sense.]

3/15/2013 12:15:01 AM

I agree with Charlotte, and would love to have it in Charlotte more often, because I would go to it more since I live in Charlotte...but I don't think having it in NC is "playing it safe" as much as making it the most easily accessible to the entire conference...sure its close to the Big 4, but its also about as close for Miami as it is for BC...although Greensboro has a larger arena than Charlotte

DC and Atlanta are other good choices...Tampa is not...Tampa is in SEC country, and more importantly, had terrible attendance when they held the tourney there...but DC and Atlanta are good options...because not only are they large cities, but they're relatively centralized for all ACC schools' fans to travel

Miami and Boston might be ok to try once, but they're too far-end on the geographical spectrum...it takes 20 hours for Miami fans to drive to Boston...20 hours for BC fans to drive to Miami...it makes much more sense to hold it in a city like Charlotte, Atlanta, DC than Miami or Boston, though holding it there once to see how it goes wouldn't be a big issue

Brooklyn (or MSG) will happen with the new northern schools and the death of the Big East...but it will become a novelty quickly imo...in Greensboro, the ACC tournament is a huge event...in MSG or Brooklyn, its just another event

i don't get your beef against Greensboro...is it strictly because its not a large metropolis? Or do you think UNC somehow gains an advantage there that Duke, State and Wake don't have? The conference was founded in this area...despite all the expansion, I'm glad the tourney still preserves a little bit of the tradition thats rapidly leaving college sports

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"people are tired of taking vacation time and flying to a shithole every year just to watch 1 basketball game."

unlike Miami or Boston/NYC, people can actually drive to Greensboro...and attendance hasn't dropped from Friday-Sunday as far as I know

[Edited on March 15, 2013 at 12:18 AM. Reason : .]

3/15/2013 12:17:50 AM

Miami in March is much better than Boston

3/15/2013 1:17:00 AM

With the dawn of the airplane, people don't have to drive.

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"Tampa is not...Tampa is in SEC country, and more importantly, had terrible attendance when they held the tourney there"

Still was MUCH higher than Greensboro's attendance numbers. Remember, I am arguing AGAINST having it in Greensboro.

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"the most easily accessible to the entire conference "

With air travel, all of these are relatively similar. Greensboro is actually a bit more complicated being a smaller airport. Sure its great for the people in the triangle to not have to take off work and sleep in their own bed but thats about it.

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"i don't get your beef against Greensboro...is it strictly because its not a large metropolis?"

Have you been to greensboro? List the top 5 reasons to visit greensboro besides this tournament.
How many games have you watched from the coliseum. Where does it rank in terms of venues in acc country? The answers to that question is what make it the worst possible choice. I'm not sure I could come up with a worse place. Even Greenville would be arguable.

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"unlike Miami or Boston/NYC, people can actually drive to Greensboro...and attendance hasn't dropped from Friday-Sunday as far as I know"

Yeah attendance is laughing stock material for the last several years. Tampa is actually one of the higher average attendance of the historic venues.

In reality most alumni, have to take off work and travel to greensboro, get a hotel that they should probably book in advance which means they will end up spending a few days there. It would be nice to be in a nice place. Most of my Miami alumns do not consider going simply because its a waste of a vacation to be there. The 2 good restaurants are impossible to get to and theres no good entertainment period.

[Edited on March 15, 2013 at 1:43 AM. Reason : k]

3/15/2013 1:41:17 AM

To be fair it's a "short" drive for VT, UVA and Clemson to Greensboro as well. (Short = under 4 hrs)

3/15/2013 2:19:01 AM

we should have it at staples center, so its really fucking far for everyone

3/15/2013 2:31:17 AM

Quote :

"Yeah attendance is laughing stock material for the last several years. Tampa is actually one of the higher average attendance of the historic venues."

Quote :

"Tournament Dates: Mar 9 - 12, 2006 Tournament Champions: Duke Tournament Runner Up: Boston College Tournament MOP/MVP: J.J. Redick (Duke, Sr.) All-Tournament Team: J.J. Redick (Duke, Sr.), Craig Smith (Boston College, Sr.), Jared Dudley (Boston College, Jr.), Shelden Williams (Duke, Sr.), Tyler Hansbrough (North Carolina, Fr.) Championship Game Venue: Greensboro Coliseum (Greensboro, NC) Tournament Attendance: 261,195"

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"Tournament Dates: Mar 8 - 11, 2007 Tournament Champions: North Carolina Tournament Runner Up: North Carolina State Tournament MOP/MVP: Brandan Wright (North Carolina, Fr.) All-Tournament Team: Brandan Wright (North Carolina, Fr.), Brandon Costner (North Carolina State, Fr.), Ty Lawson (North Carolina, Fr.), Wayne Ellington (North Carolina, Fr.), Gavin Grant (North Carolina State, Jr.) Championship Game Venue: Tampa Bay Times Forum (Tampa, FL) Tournament Attendance: 244,959"

3/15/2013 3:20:22 AM

The Big West tournament is in Anaheim, less than a 15 minute drive from the #1 seed's campus. No one showed up except for the players' moms.

Sure the Big West cares more about soccer than basketball, but they are getting nothing back for using a full size professional arena. MSG would be a waste for us, too, since the Syracuse and BC fans will not make up for losing all the tobacco road fans and the decent number that come from Virginia, South Carolina, and Georgia.

Definitely would prefer Charlotte though.

3/15/2013 4:04:54 AM

^ I would rather go up to NYC for four days to watch State play and fuck around than Greensboro.

I liked going to the ACC tournament when I was a kid and didn't have shit to do but watch basketball and run around like a maniac in Four Seasons mall. This year I had a friend that asked me if I wanted to go and I was like..."meh". Who wants to spend 4 days in Greensboro?? I'd go up for a Saturday/Sunday if our team was good...but Thursday and Friday are pretty much worthless and then you're trying to find something to do in the off-time.

3/15/2013 7:11:12 AM

State -2??

Someone is going to be going all in on Virginia I would assume?

3/15/2013 8:49:11 AM

Greensboro is a shithole, no doubt. But attendance and location are great. No one cares if Joe TWWer doesn't want to go. How is this a discussion?

3/15/2013 8:58:02 AM

They should just have it at PNC and change the court. Would State really have that much of an advantage? It would still be full of UNC and Duke fans.

3/15/2013 9:04:22 AM

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"List the top 5 reasons to visit greensboro besides this tournament."

Sounds like a fun thread:
1) Because I-40 is the quickest route to get to the mountains.
2) ?

3/15/2013 10:22:14 AM

I know people who drive to Greensboro each day for the games then drive back

Not everyone has to allot a 4-day window, book a flight, book a hotel, etc

Since its so close to everyone

3/15/2013 12:00:47 PM

BC icing out Hanlan. Seems a good strategy.

3/15/2013 12:19:03 PM

I say we have it at rockingham motorspeedway, because fuck you.

3/15/2013 12:22:18 PM

I still don't see how Greensboro makes more sense than chapel hill or raleigh. You get a bigger, better venue and are closer for everyone.

Instead of picking, the best star studded year to compare, lets compare venue Averages

Greensboro: 85,761
MCI: 101,505
Philips: 117,120
Bobcats: 120,210
St. Pete Times: 133,614
Georgia Dome: 170,323

Georgia Dome attendance fell sharply the last time but basically people want to go to Florida this time of year anyway so you had people who weren't even major fans going in Tampa. Lets not pretend Duke State or UNC fans won't show up if they can't drive. Acc fanbase expands when you bring the tournament to new places.

[Edited on March 15, 2013 at 12:35 PM. Reason : you're cheating yourselves by putting it near the 3 best traveling fanbases. ]

3/15/2013 12:34:36 PM

what a trainwreck by BC

Miami is gonna be fresh as a daisy tomorrow

3/15/2013 12:36:22 PM

pretty sure the only reason BC even won yesterday was a lucky career night (day) by hanlan. They are a terrible team, and should have lost to GT.

3/15/2013 12:39:09 PM