$6/hr

9/4/2014 5:53:04 PM

$6.02/hr

9/4/2014 5:57:48 PM

^^

I don't understand the 2 months comment. Santa Monica has had a higher minimum wage for years--at least since 2005.

9/4/2014 5:58:28 PM

$6.06/hr

[Edited on September 4, 2014 at 5:58 PM. Reason : ^damn you]

9/4/2014 5:58:30 PM

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"this kind of pisses me off. $15/hr. full time comes out to be about $31k a year. That's close to what teachers make in this state their first year ($35k) after they've gotten a college degree and done their student teaching. Unskilled labor is paid low for a reason. "

It should piss you off more that teachers make so little, instead of just being mad that fast food workers want to earn $15/hr

besides, most fast food workers can't/don't work full time, because their employers don't want to give them any health benefits.

[Edited on September 4, 2014 at 6:01 PM. Reason : .]

9/4/2014 5:59:43 PM

It seems like what we've got is a shift from strong middle class to smaller upper middle class. Now the upper middle class are living in cities and making higher wages allowing them to use apps like Uber, Home Joy and Postmates. These things allow them to have some of the trappings of the rich without the power. The middle class has shrank to inflate the salaries of the top 15%. Low wages are just how things are for the lower middle class now, can't fault them for trying to organize. If you're unskilled you are in a super bad place in the new economy.

[Edited on September 4, 2014 at 6:07 PM. Reason : a]

9/4/2014 6:06:44 PM

[quote]because their employers don't wantcan't afford to give them any health benefits.

There fixed it for you. Not the case for everyone, but quite a few.

9/4/2014 6:18:01 PM

McDonald's makes BILLIONS of dollars a year. Pretty sure they could afford to pay some of their worker's health insurance costs if they actually wanted to.

9/4/2014 6:19:36 PM

Do you really think McDonalds profits billions in actual sales at stores?

[Edited on September 4, 2014 at 7:11 PM. Reason : clarification another note]

9/4/2014 7:03:34 PM

Costco pays their workers around $18/hr and provide them with health care benefits. Most of their stores are also in California, a state that people constantly complain is one of the worst/most expensive states to run a business. Can we just admit that most corporations don't give a flying fuck about their workers in this country, or should we just keep on pretending they do?

9/4/2014 7:40:24 PM

Quote :

"McDonald's restaurants are found in 118 countries and territories around the world and serve 68 million customers each day. McDonald's operates over 35,000 restaurants worldwide, employing more than 1.7 million people."

http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/mcd/financials

http://www.aboutmcdonalds.com/content/dam/AboutMcDonalds/Investors/McDs2013AnnualReport.pdf

According to their financials it does.

Franchise sales account for $70 billion it looks like on top of the revenue listed for the global company. I can't find the operating income for the franchises, but I bet they have an epically healthy margin.

[Edited on September 4, 2014 at 8:41 PM. Reason : a]

9/4/2014 8:33:45 PM

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"I don't understand the 2 months comment. Santa Monica has had a higher minimum wage for years--at least since 2005."

Also it's not like Santa Monica is the only locality that increased minimum wage. It's just burro being burro.

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"Do you really think McDonalds profits billions in actual sales at stores?"

You mean on a per-store level (aka calling people stupid), or are you saying they don't have billions in income yearly as a corporation (calling yourself stupid)?

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"most corporations don't give a flying fuck about their workers in this country"

Most don't, and it's clearly not their goal to do so. It's all about the profits mane.

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"I can't find the operating income for the franchises, but I bet they have an epically healthy margin."

Yeah most of the McD's franchise owners I know are fucking rich. Like Honey-Boo-Boo rich...obviously not Goodnight rich.

9/4/2014 11:26:41 PM

whyyyyyyyyyyy isn't postmates in Cincy?? we have about 20 other defunct food delivery services. in fact, I had my heart SHATTERED on sunday when I was super hungover and had my order for a frozen lemonade and philly cheesesteak about to be placed, only to find out the company yelp said would deliver it was BRONKEN

I'm still really upset about it. seriously.

9/4/2014 11:31:01 PM

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"My brother lives off Rose ave. That whole foods has some dope burgers. Why don't they have that shit here"

That Whole Foods at Lincoln and Rose is the bomb. Best Whole Foods I've ever been in, I would get lunch there all the time if I worked a little closer to it.

9/5/2014 1:02:01 AM

If you can't get anything above a minimum wage job, you probably shouldn't have children.

9/5/2014 2:23:34 AM

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"If you can't get anything above a minimum wage job, you probably shouldn't have children."

instead, people shit them out to increase their subsidized income.


it seems to me the solution to the minimum wage problem is birth control

[Edited on September 5, 2014 at 8:53 AM. Reason : -]

9/5/2014 8:53:10 AM

I'm sad that I subsidized the education of some of you idiots

[Edited on September 5, 2014 at 8:54 AM. Reason : s]

9/5/2014 8:54:07 AM

oh yeah?

9/5/2014 8:55:09 AM

Don't worry, he's also sad that he subsidizes the mortgage on my ugly house.

I'm sad that he ever came to this country. He should've stayed where he was raised. Maybe he wouldn't be so sad there.

9/5/2014 12:10:28 PM

In fact I am going to Wendy's right now.

Wendy's is OP.

9/5/2014 12:10:51 PM

okay y0willy0

9/5/2014 12:11:42 PM

Imagine if the government told you you had to work 40 hours a week with a low pay cap, had to wear a uniform, discouraged unionizing, and only paid for the services they decided you needed?

Imagine if corporations used their profit margins to lobby in washington?

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9/5/2014 1:33:31 PM

A more practical solution to all this nonsense would be to require/incent companies to maximize employee hours (40 per week or something) before hiring additional labor to fill needed man-hour requirements, unless an employee is unable/unwilling to meet the man-hours required.

9/5/2014 1:56:11 PM

Speaking of lobbies, I wonder how much money the alcohol, tobacco and lottery lobbies are throwing at raising the minimum wage. They're the industries that will benefit the most from a min. wage increase.

9/5/2014 1:57:47 PM

The think the issue of lack of hours is a distant second place to the pay per hour issue.

9/5/2014 1:59:50 PM

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"A more practical solution to all this nonsense would be to require/incent companies to maximize employee hours (40 per week or something) before hiring additional labor to fill needed man-hour requirements, unless an employee is unable/unwilling to meet the man-hours required"

Says someone who has never worked in the service industry.

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9/5/2014 2:01:27 PM

I don't disagree, and I've worked several low paying jobs in high school/college, in the service industry. Also at grocery stores, where to get more than 20 hours was a oddity. And we're talking about people who wanted to work more than 20 hours a week.

Of course, I didn't really like making minimum wage, so I worked hard, showed initiative and got raises. But I must not be the norm here. I started out making 4.80, ended up making 12 before leaving to go to a career job.

9/5/2014 2:10:11 PM

I worked grocery for most of the semesters I was in school as well and I made like $10.50 when I left I think which was the highest you could make without being full time. $200 for 20 hours of unskilled, zero stress, work with basically no accountability is not that bad

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9/5/2014 2:19:47 PM

Quote :

"A more practical solution to all this nonsense would be to require/incent companies to maximize employee hours (40 per week or something) before hiring additional labor to fill needed man-hour requirements, unless an employee is unable/unwilling to meet the man-hours required."

if we had national healthcare instead of mandatory employer sponsored healthcare, they would be more willing to do that

9/5/2014 2:20:28 PM

^^What grocery store? Food Lion didn't have any kind of cap like that. I really enjoyed working there too. Like you said, low stress, no accountability, and when you left work, you left work. None of this checking email on phones and working from home crap.

9/5/2014 2:25:43 PM

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"A more practical solution to all this nonsense would be to require/incent companies to maximize employee hours (40 per week or something) before hiring additional labor to fill needed man-hour requirements, unless an employee is unable/unwilling to meet the man-hours required"

I think that's what companies are already doing to keep their labor costs down.

9/5/2014 2:29:37 PM

that would increase their labor costs significantly, who do you think is doing that?

9/5/2014 2:32:52 PM

I prevailed by having lunch at a real restaurant.

9/5/2014 2:34:47 PM

I would say most people in management look to maximize their labor force for availability, skill, cost, rest, and other factors. It's not like they're just going to hire 2 people to work around the clock and not hire more people. That only happens when the robot workforce takes over. Of course, this isn't practical across all job platforms, but most restaurant labor falls under this labor scheduling system.

9/5/2014 2:56:06 PM

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"Says someone who has never worked in the service industry."

Payed my way through college waiting tables. There were times when restaurant #1 wasn't giving me enough hours so I picked up a second waiting gig. I have zero sympathy for people who bitch about pay but don't even work a 40 hour week.

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"The think the issue of lack of hours is a distant second place to the pay per hour issue."

Not always. The article I quoted above talked about a woman who worked 15-20 work weeks at McDonalds and they wouldn't give her more hours. If she got a full 40 hours she'd double her income. All without mandating we raise the minimum for everyone.

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"that would increase their labor costs significantly, who do you think is doing that?"

Obviously no one willingly at this point. That's why were talking about legislating the problem away, right? One solution on the table is mandating a minimum wage increase. I'm just suggesting an alternative solution.

9/5/2014 3:15:33 PM

Quote :

"A more practical solution to all this nonsense would be to require/incent companies to maximize employee hours (40 per week or something) before hiring additional labor to fill needed man-hour requirements, unless an employee is unable/unwilling to meet the man-hours required"

Isn't that what Obamacare did? Wait, no, it did the opposite. Sorry, carry on

9/5/2014 3:27:55 PM

afripino and Sayer,

you don't seem to understand that if the employer increased their schedule to 40 hours, they would have to pay the employee benefits and that's expensive. part time employers keep hours limited on purpose, even if someone is willing to work more hours. no one wants to pay benefits when they can just hire a bunch of people to work 15-20 hours. you guys have been misinformed or maybe never had the pleasure of working a shitty food service or retail job.

[Edited on September 5, 2014 at 4:18 PM. Reason : .]

9/5/2014 4:17:31 PM

Raising the min wage would unquestionably be good for our economy. Our economy is overwhelmingly consumer driven, and this would significantly increase the amount of money circulating in the system. More people buying more iPhones, playstation, going out to eat, watching movies, actually paying their loans off, literally will help out everyone, even the wealthy.

It would likely start to tick the inequality gap down some too.

If you hate a prosperous America, the you should oppose it, but the rest of us want to make more $$$.

9/5/2014 4:29:59 PM

But If you raised minimum wage cost of living would go up and my husband with his middle class job wouldn't be getting a raise. So we would have to spend more but still be getting the same amount of money. Not cool.

9/5/2014 5:05:36 PM

^.

9/5/2014 5:21:28 PM

i think the number one problem people have with capitalism is simply misunderstanding that supply and demand has NOTHING to do with "deserve"

9/5/2014 5:25:41 PM

i was under the impression that both pure free market capitalism and socialism were perfect systems

9/5/2014 5:27:17 PM

Middle class commodity products that are already produced from an near infinite manufacturing capacity likely won't see shit for price increases.

We do not live in a society where the cobbler can't handle 3 more people with enough money to buy shoes.

9/5/2014 5:36:39 PM

^Yes, because companies never raise prices simply because they can; they only do so when they must.

9/5/2014 5:55:46 PM

Yeah, but then you're arguing the wage increase isn't what caused it.

From what I can tell this is unpopular with credit applicants in Middle America because it's too close to home when you think you're "worth" $24/hr and these damned lower beings now want $15/hr. It's an affront to their identity of being better than the lower income on the spectrum when in reality we don't need either group anymore for the economy to function.

The top 20% are the ones spending the money and paying the taxes.

9/5/2014 6:08:06 PM

[Edited on September 5, 2014 at 6:10 PM. Reason : this thread ]

9/5/2014 6:08:37 PM

raising the minimum wage causes the market to turn into monopoly pricing?

9/5/2014 6:08:55 PM

Again with sentences that don't make any sense.

Try again.

9/5/2014 6:12:54 PM

raise minimum wage

companies suddenly able to raise prices "because they can"

not because "they must"

raising minimum wage has made the market collapse

they are pricing items like they are a monopoly

you were probably always the iron when you played monopoly

the iron is the bitch figure, cool bros picked the battleship

9/5/2014 6:15:38 PM

I'll let somebody else tackle whatever that is.

9/5/2014 6:18:49 PM