No charges in the shooting

12/28/2015 2:16:30 PM

well don't fucking carry around a fake gun

parents don't need to be condoning that shit

12/28/2015 2:17:51 PM

Back when I was a kid, everybody had fake guns. It was normal. And we were never shot dead.

12/28/2015 2:30:42 PM

^

12/28/2015 2:31:35 PM

did you guys forget how hypersensitive people are and how different things are in today's society or

12/28/2015 2:33:15 PM

motherfucker is called "Bullet" and trying to tell me about some shit

fuck you and your pro-gun shit

I hope you kill yourself and your family with it

12/28/2015 2:34:03 PM

can someone who's met Bubblebobble tell me what his issue is IRL?

12/28/2015 2:35:29 PM

my issue is that you're a gun-toting redneck piece of shit who deserves to die

12/28/2015 2:38:03 PM

I assume you're inferring that from my name? You must not follow the gun control threads, or just have a shitty memory.

12/28/2015 2:38:58 PM

he was a 12 year old kid

absolutely disgusting

12/28/2015 2:39:09 PM

no I just hate you and hope that you die a fiery death

12/28/2015 2:39:34 PM

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"he was a 12 year old kid absolutely disgusting"

are you fucking kidding?

are you trying to say a 12 year old isn't smart enough to actually wield a real gun?

12/28/2015 2:40:04 PM

Somebody is double posting without regard for the LAW and needs to be put in time out.

12/28/2015 2:44:38 PM

Man I thought this was one of the most likely to get some sort of conviction.... I expect we will see some rioting out of this.

12/28/2015 3:28:01 PM

why are people so fast and loose with the term "riot"?

12/28/2015 3:46:23 PM

Grand jury system continues to be a sham wrt police shootings.

12/28/2015 4:00:31 PM

Valuable shit needs to burn. These people only balue property and wont notice tamir without damages in the millions.

12/28/2015 6:21:41 PM

https://www.facebook.com/greg.doucette/posts/10103038662647609?fref=nf&pnref=story

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"A friend sent me a message in response to my Tamir Rice post, and I asked if I could share his question with my answer (I'm leaving his name out of it b/c it was asked in good faith). "But were you running around the neighborhood with a gun when you were 12?" Yes. And not just when I was 12, but from when I was about 8 until I was 17. I grew up in the Salem Lakes neighborhood of Virginia Beach. I'm FB friends with some of the folks who lived in my neighborhood, including Mike Starling and Justin Armstrong, who can vouch for me. Several of us -- myself included -- played a game that we called "Guns" (true story; no one accused us of being creative geniuses). We'd take water pistols, back in the era before SuperSoakers, then break off into teams and run around the neighborhood trying to shoot each other. I had a fake Beretta with a 4oz magazine that shot about 20ft, but required you to cock the gun like a real Beretta for it to fire each time (which made it difficult once your hands or the gun got wet). The variety of fake weapons we had ran a pretty large gamut. The cops were never called, and none of us were ever shot or killed. Whether that's because of our culture deteriorating, our respect for life being eroded, white privilege, the post-9/11 First Rule of Policing (make it home no matter what), our state of chronic fear fed by 24/7 news, whatever -- I don't really care. Tamir Rice was an unarmed child put to death in under 2 seconds by a taxpayer-financed agent of the government, a grown man, who was supposed to have critical thinking skills and thorough training and at least a minimal understanding of the Constitution and the natural rights of man enshrined in the Bill of Rights. Tamir's death should repulse everyone. Every. Single. One. Because there is no excuse or justification for killing a 12yo for something many of us did ourselves at his age. Period."

-TGD

12/29/2015 1:19:18 PM

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"Grand jury system continues to be a sham wrt police shootings. "

yep

12/29/2015 1:25:30 PM

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"Grand jury system continues to be a sham wrt police shootings. "

Obviously the constitution and our justice system should be thrown out the door every time a Caucasian-American cop shoots an African-American. In these cases the officer should be abducted by a mob and placed to answer for his crimes in front of a #BLM tribunal. In front of this tribunal the officer must PROVE his INNOCENCE that he was indeed in fear for his life to justify his use of lethal force. If his case proves somewhat questionable then the punishment is death by stoning! AM I RITE

Imagine the outrage if advocates were out demanding we eliminate grand juries against African-American suspected of misc crimes including gang related violence and drugs........

The whole purpose of a grand jury is to ensure there is reasonable evidence to take a suspect to court for a criminal trial...

12/29/2015 7:38:53 PM

Cops scared of a little kid have no chance against real killers.

12/29/2015 7:49:33 PM

a 12 year old kid murdered in less than a few seconds, man.

on video.

12/30/2015 12:33:29 AM

^^^yeah, except with cops they ALMOST NEVER indict. Compared to other grand juries, where they almost always indict.

12/30/2015 12:46:08 AM

So the problem is the DA, not the grand jury. They can only sign a writ based on the evidence presented to them.....
#BLM and some of you obviously don't know makes up a grand jury or how one works..

#ALM

[Edited on December 30, 2015 at 1:02 AM. Reason : K]

12/30/2015 1:01:27 AM

I don't feel bad if there wasn't that little orange thing on the end to indicate that it wasn't real :3

12 year old needs to be accompanied by an adult if he's that special

12/30/2015 1:17:27 AM

I'm sure these cops are just RACIST BIGOTS! Not the fact that they probably have encountered many situations dealing with armed teenage gang members that really have guns!

Either way the cop sounds like a n00b and should face some sort of training or minor punishment (probably fired). I don't think this is some hate crime, murder, or conscious choice to shoot black people.

I think part of the serious debate and path forward to prevent the deaths of African-American suspects is an dialogue and some internal thought within the African-American community asking "why do the cops react thinking the need to use lethal force during encounters with black youth"

12/30/2015 10:53:12 AM

may have already been said in this thread, but it's ironic that Ohio is also an open carry state.

12/30/2015 11:07:12 AM

Which has nothing to do with it.
Police were called because he was pointing a gun at people.

12/30/2015 12:05:52 PM

^^^ also girls have it coming when other girls where skimpy clothes.

12/30/2015 12:13:53 PM

Now if someone shoots a police officer who has drawn a weapon, they should be able to dodge charges since that is enough for them to reasonably fear for their life.

12/30/2015 12:15:47 PM

^^^

so you think the 12 year old kid deserved to be shot?

12/30/2015 12:23:45 PM

Pointing a gun toy at people

12/30/2015 12:25:37 PM

12/30/2015 12:26:57 PM

^^^ where did I say or even imply that?

^^Look at the pictures. There is no way to tell what he had was a toy unless it was right in front of you, AND you are familiar with firearms.


I am just saying that the fact that it is an open carry state has no bearing or relevance to the case in question.

[Edited on December 30, 2015 at 12:29 PM. Reason : .]

12/30/2015 12:28:16 PM

I'm sure this has been mentioned ad nauseum, but if they really thought he had a gun, why would they pull-up a few feet away from him?

12/30/2015 12:29:37 PM

racism is aggressively defending why it's okay to shoot a 12 year old instead of acknowledging the list of things that the cops did wrong

12/30/2015 12:31:00 PM

Easy rule of thumb. If it fires real shots its a real gun.

Assuming this kid would be a one shot marksman is equally absurd.

12/30/2015 12:40:41 PM

I agree with pretty much everything being said in this thread regarding the absurd behavior of the cops, except for

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"Assuming this kid would be a one shot marksman is equally absurd."

Maybe I'm missing your point, but in general, cops shouldn't have to find out how many shots it takes for someone to actually hit them.

I remember walking into a store when I was 12 with a BB gun that some idiot could have mistaken for a .22. It never crossed my mind that I would get in trouble for carrying around a gun. I lived in the country though. And I'm white, so there's that.

12/30/2015 1:12:17 PM

It's completely irrelevant if they thought it was a real gun, if it actually was a real gun, or anything of that nature... this is not how you handle any situation like this, unless it's an active shooter scenario.

They don't know if he's holding a gun or not, they don't know if he's holding a stick or a poo, you don't pull a car up 3' from someone, jump out, and shoot them (unless it's an active shooter situation).

What the cops did was 100% wrong, what the prosecutor did with the grand jury was 100% wrong, this is a travesty of justice from every angle. They even blatantly lied in their report before the video came out. How is anyone even defending this?

12/30/2015 1:58:37 PM

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"cism is aggressively defending why it's okay to shoot a 12 year old instead of acknowledging the list of things that the cops did wrong "

I fully support and assert that the situation unfolded and devolved for to a failure of judgment and what seems to be a training issue on the officers part.

I'm just failing to grasp how the PC crowd in this thread and #BLM is trying to frame this as cops not liking black people or racism issue. Part of me feels that the situation may have played out the same if this was some Eminem looking white kid in a wife beater.

Like I mentioned above I maintain a big part of the problem is race neutral regarding the level of physical force used by cops. On the other hand for issues that may involve a difference in the reactions of cops that may be influenced by the race of the suspect. To investigate the disparity involves discussions and realizations on issues that the PC and BLM crowd can't rationally discuss without screaming "racism" " bigot"when someone discusses the topic with an angle besides African Americans being oppressed and unfairly picked on by mean racist police.

12/30/2015 2:04:29 PM

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"completely irrelevant if they thought it was a real gun, if it actually was a real gun, or anything of that nature... this is not how you handle any situation like this, unless it's an active shooter scenario"

I can agree to this but I still maintain this was not an issue some cop getting a boner at the thought of rolling in excited to shoot some black youth.

Also no one seems to have addressed my comments regarding that any travesty of justice is related to the DA not the grand jury system. I think the BLM community is unaware of the negative side effects of eliminating the grand jury system allowing prosecutors to mercilessly take citizens to trial or convince them to accept plea bargains based on shotty evidence that a grand jury would toss.

Not once on my grand jury service over a year did we refect a writ to indict.....

12/30/2015 2:11:51 PM

^ http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/26/us/ferguson-racism-or-racial-bias/

12/30/2015 2:22:04 PM

I don't think that anyone is claiming that this kid was killed because the cops hate black people. I think the argument is that subconsciously, a split-second judgement was made based in part because this kid was black.

It goes back to the whole systemic racism issue.

12/30/2015 2:22:26 PM

What creates these split second reactions? Could it be because on a day to day basis cops have more violent encounters with African American suspects and/or observe more violent between Black's in the community ( for example gang violence). The issue of why this violence could be more prevalent in certain demographics is a whole different topic on socioeconomics. Regardless I believe the real cause of any disparity in death by cops of suspects is not the mean racist police want to kill African Americans that BLM tries to propagate

12/30/2015 2:32:40 PM

But then it goes back to...do cops tend to police the black neighborhoods more often b/c they think there will be more crime, and since they are there more often, they do tend to witness more crime.

But is it because black people commit more crime? Or because cops are there more often to witness people breaking the law? And then, b/c cops are there more often, and have a larger presence, do young men come to resent law enforcement more? Increasing certain attitudes toward them?

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

12/30/2015 2:36:55 PM

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"I'm just failing to grasp how the PC crowd in this thread and #BLM is trying to frame this as cops not liking black people or racism issue. Part of me feels that the situation may have played out the same if this was some Eminem looking white kid in a wife beater"

The reason why you fail to grasp the first part is that you're wrong in the second part.

12/30/2015 2:40:51 PM

Solid posts rummie!

12/30/2015 3:08:18 PM

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"But then it goes back to...do cops tend to police the black neighborhoods more often b/c they think there will be more crime, and since they are there more often, they do tend to witness more crime. But is it because black people commit more crime? Or because cops are there more often to witness people breaking the law? And then, b/c cops are there more often, and have a larger presence, do young men come to resent law enforcement more? Increasing certain attitudes toward them? It's a self-fulfilling prophecy."

So how are you proposing to fix this. By the way the "commit more crime" is a loaded question. We can debate the causes all day long but you are delusional if you deny that many inner-city African-American low income communities are a much greater hot-bed of violent criminal activities then those of other ethnic groups.

If cops stop patrolling black neighborhoods then a 9 yr gets hit by a stray bullet during an increase of gang activity people will be up in arms crying that police aren't doing enough to protect black neighborhoods, racism, blah blah blah.

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" cops are there more often, and have a larger presence, do young men come to resent law enforcement more"

Part of this goes back to an overhaul in law enforcement that I believe that needs to occur.

On the other hand how are we supposed to handle situations where a cop directly sees someone committing a crime even if minor (aka swapping a bag of crack). Is the cop supposed to be like "oh it is an African-American committing the drug crime. Obviously they started dealing drugs because of their socioeconomic situation. Thus i'll ignore this and hope they the absence of police harassment" will decide to turn their life around and become a productive member of society.

Regardless my point in all the previous posts is the issue of [b]police brutality in African-American communities is a symptom of other societal ills and is not the problem itself.

Based on this premise we can set up the other threads to debate socio-economics, if or if not African-Americans are denied access to education, problems with criminal justice system, how much of the blight faced by many African-Americans is a result of poor decisions v. victimization due to skin color, etc

[Edited on December 30, 2015 at 3:37 PM. Reason : a]

12/30/2015 3:32:32 PM

I'm not proposing a fix, I"m just trying to explain where some of these feelings are coming from. I don't like the BLM movement any more than you do, but you can't deny the points that I and many others have made as to why crime tends to be worse in black neighborhoods.

I'm sure it's a little bit of both - blacks in inner city areas do commit more crime for whatever reason - socio-economic issues, etc, but I guarantee you that cops are there more frequently to witness said crime.

You take 10 mayo white kids from an affluent neighborhood in the suburbs who smoke pot, and 10 black kids from a crime-ridden predominately black area who smoke pot, and I bet 10 of the white kids get away with it while 5 of the black kids get caught, just by virtue of a cop being there to witness it. Then, those 5 black kids get put in the system, and it spirals downward from there for them.

It still doesn't change the fact that a 12 year old boy is dead simply because he wanted to play.

Shit me and my buddies used to shoot each other with the bb guns from my other post. Nobody called the cops on us. Sure, our neighbors knew who we are, but if one of us had invited a black kid from school to come play with us, there's a good chance somebody would have called the cops if they saw a black kid shooting a bb gun at one of the neighborhood boys. And yes, I grew up in a mostly-white (but still pretty poor) neighborhood.

12/30/2015 3:48:54 PM

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"It still doesn't change the fact that a 12 year old boy is dead simply because he wanted to play. "

I have a feeling that cops in many inner city communities have encountered 12-13 yr olds packing heat.



http://people.missouristate.edu/michaelcarlie/what_i_learned_about/gangs/age_composition.htm

I'm not condoning the actions of the cops but the comments from the #outrage & #BLM community insinuate that it was completely ridiculous that a cop could consider a 12 yr old as a threat. This study is old but it lists that 11% of gang members are under 15 years of age. Thus i don't see how it couldn't be reasonable for a police officer to be a little on edge when encountering as 12-13 yr old who is suspected of having a fire arm.

12/30/2015 4:38:21 PM