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"Benching washington should have nothing to do with louisville. He is just our worst big. "

FOH mane.

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"This win is part of what's frustrating about this team."

Come onnnnn buddy. Enjoy the win. Don't be frustrated by it.

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"I don't get how some of these top 10 teams are even ranked so high, to be honest, but I digress."

Cause they haven't lost 11 games.

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"Basketball teams win some games they should lose and lose some games they should win. How is that surprising to you?"

+1. I don't know why some of you people consistently struggle with this fact.

[Edited on February 15, 2015 at 10:45 AM. Reason : jesus boozie is trolling hard in the paint]

2/15/2015 10:42:43 AM

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"I see packboozie and skooiann (and tower) are back to be the most insufferable complainers who use any anecdote to try to prove that "our" coach is the worst ever, and ignore anything that proves otherwise. i didn't miss you. "

yeah...a weird amount of trolling/complaining after we just won on the road vs a top 10 team.

2/15/2015 11:06:44 AM

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"Jerian grant?"

oversight on my part since ive never really considered nd a legit top 10 squad but sure, jerian grant who is in like his 47th year of college is better than cat. was he as a sophomore? idk i didnt watch the big east

^it's not as much complaining as it is "why the fuck cant we play like we do when it looks like the season is over all the time?"

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"^,^^ do you guys think a top 100 ranking out of high school means if the old NBA rules were in effect, guys like Barber, Abu, whatever other high-star guys would be lottery picks? Get real."

abu was a 50ish recruit who i thought a lot of fans overhyped coming into the season so no. he's actually performed about as well as i expected - was worse to start of the year than i thought but his flashes were better than i expected too. overall a solid year but has some flaws he needs to work on. will be really good over the next couple years if he does so

im not sure what youre talking about with nba either. cat is an nba prospect but he wasnt a top 10 recruit or anything. when he got here he needed to work on his body (see: getting beat up by west virginia) and turn that 16 footer into a legit 3 point shot. his natural point guard skills are/weren't that great but honestly that doesnt matter in the nba anymore when anyone who can run a pick and roll can play point guard now. that development is the difference between being a 1st rounder and the NBDL/Europe

2/15/2015 11:29:50 AM

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"abu was a 50ish recruit who i thought a lot of fans overhyped coming into the season so no. he's actually performed about as well as i expected - was worse to start of the year than i thought but his flashes were better than i expected too. overall a solid year but has some flaws he needs to work on. will be really good over the next couple years if he does so im not sure what youre talking about with nba either. cat is an nba prospect but he wasnt a top 10 recruit or anything. when he got here he needed to work on his body (see: getting beat up by west virginia) and turn that 16 footer into a legit 3 point shot. his natural point guard skills are/weren't that great but honestly that doesnt matter in the nba anymore when anyone who can run a pick and roll can play point guard now. that development is the difference between being a 1st rounder and the NBDL/Europe"

i think the point was that people (boozie on the last page) are quick to say "this team is underperforming, just look at all the talent gott is wasting" when it's not that simple at all. just like you said, abu has shown a lot of potential...but he's a pretty raw freshman. cat has made great strides over the last month...but he wasn't the immediate impact player people may have been expecting from a mcdonald's all american. boozie was dismissing the youth angle...and while it's a tired excuse, i do think it has some validity here.

imo, this team has some really good pieces that, on a given night, can come together and play great. those same pieces still struggle with inconsistency - something that i think can be chalked up to youth. our most veteran players are: dez lee (hardly plays), ralston turner (brings little to the table aside from a streaky jump shot), trevor lacey (our best player and he'll be back next year). everybody else is freshmen and sophomores. next year youth and inexperience will not be a valid excuse and i think it will be a reasonable to expect to see them play like a veteran team.

basically, i don't know what some people were reasonably expecting this season to be. it's frustrating, of course, that we've beaten duke and louisville and then lost to clemson, wake, wofford. but the idea that we're somehow wasting a ton of talent or wasting a great opportunity this year doesn't register with me. i just don't see it that way.

2/15/2015 11:56:50 AM

in some respects youre right that its a flawed composition of players.

what i feel like most people fail to realize is that every team in college basketball has the same problem

also the one year we supposedly had all the pieces put together we ended up with an 8 seed and a loss to god damn temple who had one shit player who flopped his way to a victory against us

2/15/2015 12:15:57 PM

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"also the one year we supposedly had all the pieces put together we ended up with an 8 seed and a loss to god damn temple who had one shit player who flopped his way to a victory against us"

yeah that season was definitely a disappointment...there's no way around that.

2/15/2015 12:18:42 PM

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"We put the youngest team on the court in the ACC. We haven't played a team younger than us in the ACC all season and we won't for the rest of it. You're either willfully ignorant, or the worst troll ever"

No we are not dude. I don't know how else to put this but you are flat wrong. We are about middle of the road. Duke starts three freshmen. I'll look it up for you since you just like to say I am wrong.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/stattracker/experience/confs?conf=acc

5th least experienced team but don't let those stats hurt your calling me ignorant. Boston College is the most experienced team and still at the bottom. Again, it means jack shit in college basketball.

[Edited on February 15, 2015 at 10:37 PM. Reason : We play the youngest team literally our next damn game]

2/15/2015 10:34:13 PM

must be a tough life being miserable all the time.

Kenpom says we are 288th youngest team in DI, but feel free to go ahead and tell me how young Kentucky is while you are at it.

2/15/2015 10:38:55 PM

Miserable from pointing out the facts that we are not that young? Our team is basically the same as UNC and Miami.

[Edited on February 15, 2015 at 10:40 PM. Reason : Not even hating on anyone tonight just fucking tired of the young argument ]

2/15/2015 10:39:43 PM

miserable in the fact that you can't enjoy a road win without finding something else to bitch about

2/15/2015 10:40:22 PM

4 of the top 5 inexperienced teams have double digit losses. The other team has the best coach in history and the #1 pick in the next draft. You really think experience means jack shit in college basketball? Kentucky is the exception, not the rule.

Also someone might wanna tell that website that Maryland isn't in the ACC.

2/15/2015 10:40:49 PM

Lmao, just rewatching the game. Onuaku goes to the line in the first half and you can hear lutz yelling "48%, box out" like 4 times

2/16/2015 4:31:39 AM

the only team you can really say inexperience is causing them to suck is FSU (and us, I guess). wake and VT were going to suck regardless

also we have basically the exact same experience (and our talent is only marginally worse) than unc. how come they dont have 11 losses?

2/16/2015 9:18:53 AM

They don't have 11 losses but they have dropped 3 of their last 4 games. And they're likely to make that 4 of their last 5 on Wednesday.

2/16/2015 9:23:16 AM

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"No we are not dude. I don't know how else to put this but you are flat wrong. We are about middle of the road. Duke starts three freshmen. I'll look it up for you since you just like to say I am wrong."

We as a team put more freshmen and sophomore bodies on the court per game than anyone in the ACC. You still haven't shown me anything to dispute that, and you're not going to be able to. Our 9 player rotation is Turner/Lacey and 7 underclassmen.

You want to relate that to minutes played? According to your link we're in the 5th youngest out of 15 teams, and the only thing that's got us that high is Desmond Lee's ~49 minutes on the season of not doing a god damn thing. Take that out and we're even younger.

While we're on the topic of outliers, you really want to hold up Duke as being young? A program, that like Kentucky, is for the most part designed to take superstar freshmen talent and hopefully win a NCAA title in one year before they go to the NBA?

Yeah, that's definitely comparing apples-to-apples.

2/16/2015 10:00:13 AM

Yeah, comparing state to good basketball programs would be ridiculous. And if you take away all our upperclassmen minutes we are playing all underclassmen

2/16/2015 10:08:32 AM

You people are insufferable.

2/16/2015 11:49:03 AM

Insufferable

2/16/2015 11:58:19 AM

Nice win, got to experience it with my new Nephew. Also nice that they did a good job at closing the game out (for NC State) so i didn't wake a baby screaming at the TV.


trying to make him a app state fan to avoid the pain of basketball bubble seasons. - JK.

2/16/2015 12:03:47 PM

^
Awwww

2/16/2015 12:17:52 PM

we're not exactly playing 5 josh davis' out there. a lot of our "young" players were at oak hill or other high level prep schools and everyone with the exception of freeman is old for their class. lacey is 23 years old

[Edited on February 16, 2015 at 12:35 PM. Reason : washington a 21 year old true sophomore]

2/16/2015 12:33:49 PM

insufferable

2/16/2015 12:35:24 PM

Great win, nice to watch a game where the inevitable meltdown didn't happen. Great win, crucial to any tournament hopes. I still think talking about the tourney is a little premature unless we either a)win out or b)go 4-1 (UNC loss) the rest of the way and make a deep ACC tournament run. Our last two games on the schedule are the trap games--@ Clemson (where for some reason we don't play well despite that podunk little arena) and Syracuse at home (they have nothing to lose, it's their championship game).

2/16/2015 1:56:40 PM

^ Doesn't realize how bad other bubble teams are this year. 4-1 with a single W in the ACCT would get us in, it wouldn't take a "deep" run. Look at the other bubble teams, based on Lunardi's last 4 in first 4 out

State: 4-7 vs RPI top 50; best Ws: Duke, @Louisville, Boise, Pitt Bad Loss: Wake
UCLA: 1-5 vs RPI top 50; best W: Utah Bad Loss: Colorado
Illinois: 3-4 vs RPI top 50; best W: Baylor, Mich, MSU Bad Loss: Neb
Tulsa: 1-4 vs RPI top 50; best W: @Temple Bad Loss: Oral Roberts
Boise St: 2-3 vs RPI top 50; best Ws: Col. St, SD St. Bad Losses: Loyola, Utah St., Fresno St.
Purdue: 3-4 vs RPI top 50; best Ws: State, IU, OSU Bad Losses: Vandy, Gardner Webb, N. Florida
Oregon: 2-3 vs RPI top 50; best Ws: Illinois, UCLA Bad Losses: Washington St.
Miami: 3-4 vs RPI top 50; best Ws: Illinois, @Duke, St. Bad Losses: GT, FSU, WF, E. Kentucky

We have the best wins by far out of this class.

2/16/2015 2:49:50 PM

20 wins puts us in. 4-1 rest of the way & one ACC tourney win does it. Less than that, we'll have to beat a top 4 ACC seed in the quarterfinals.

2/16/2015 3:01:16 PM

^^You don't count Wofford or NCCU as bad losses?

2/16/2015 3:51:50 PM

Surprisingly no, not bad losses except from maybe a morale perspective.

Wofford is 12-2 in conference, 21-6 overall, RPI 48th, and projected to win the Southern and go to the NCAAs.

NC Central is 11-0 currently in the MEAC, 19-6 for the season, and will also likely win their conference. RPI of 112th though.



[Edited on February 16, 2015 at 4:34 PM. Reason : .]

2/16/2015 4:29:22 PM

SMH, you people....
Who has NCCU beat this year, that I listed? Sorry Debbie Downer, but we lost to NCCU in 2013. And no, Wofford is not counted as a "bad loss" they are #48 currently in RPI.

[Edited on February 16, 2015 at 4:34 PM. Reason : ^ exactly. Bad losses were those rated >100 in RPI]

2/16/2015 4:32:17 PM

i, too, think 4-1 + 1 ACCT win should get us in.

2/16/2015 4:57:37 PM

4-1 +1 isnt even a should it's a near lock

3-2 +1 is where it gets hairy

2/16/2015 5:02:28 PM

based on what DalCowboys posted above we definitely have the best resume among other bubble teams.

2/16/2015 5:15:28 PM

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"^^You don't count Wofford or NCCU as bad losses?"

Beethoven, why are you talking about a loss to NCCU ast year, when the discussion is about our tournament chances this year? You do realize we didn't play them this year, right?

2/16/2015 5:35:49 PM

[Edited on February 16, 2015 at 5:49 PM. Reason : Wrong thread]

2/16/2015 5:48:54 PM

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"Beethoven, why are you talking about a loss to NCCU ast year, when the discussion is about our tournament chances this year? You do realize we didn't play them this year, right?"

Thought that was this year. Looking at our schedule, I agree Wake is the only *bad* loss if you're going by RPI alone, but I still think Wofford does not do us any favors with the selection committee.

2/16/2015 6:06:12 PM

the wofford loss looks bad. but if you're going off RPI (which, as far as i know, that's what the committee does) the purdue, clemson, wake, miami losses are worse.

the nccu loss didn't keep us out last year - the wofford loss won't keep us out this year. if we don't make the tourney, i don;t think it'll be because of an early season 1 point loss to a (likely) conference champion.

2/16/2015 6:32:53 PM

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"While we're on the topic of outliers, you really want to hold up Duke as being young? A program, that like Kentucky, is for the most part designed to take superstar freshmen talent and hopefully win a NCAA title in one year before they go to the NBA?"

Lol okay pal so since Duke is good they do not count? Duke has Quinn Cook (SR), Amile (JR) and Marshall Plumlee (JR). Four freshmen playing meaningful minutes.

What about UNC? Just as young as us. One Senior playing in Hubert lol. Paige, Tokoto, Johnson are Juniors. Still lots of underclassmen (Meeks, Britt, Berry, Pinson, Jackson, Hicks).

Miami has one senior in their rotation who does not start and two transfers (similar to us) with a lot of new faces.

Wake is younger, new coach and system, and still beat us.

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"Our 9 player rotation is Turner/Lacey and 7 underclassmen."

7 of Pitt's 8 main rotation are freshmen and sophomores with one Senior in Cameron Wright (And he missed 7 games to injury). So no we are not the only ACC team playing mostly underclassmen. Again sorry that you are wrong and cannot accept it.

2/16/2015 8:28:40 PM

Experience (as calculated by kenpom - basically experience x minutes played):
1. BC
2. Notre Dame
3. Clemson
4. Georgia Tech
5. UVA
6. Louisville
7. Syracuse
8. Pitt
9. Miami
10. UNC
11. NCSU
12. FSU
13. Wake
14. Duke
15. VT

Top 10 teams (by kenpom) with rank in Experience (out of 351 teams):
1. Kentucky (346)
2. UVA (189)
3. Arizona (250)
4. Wisconsin (49)
5. Gonzaga (46)
6. Utah (240)
7. Villanova (111)
8. Duke (323)
9. Kansas (337)
10. Oklahoma (129)

Really just seems like a mixed bag, especially at the top. A good team can be made from different recruiting / development philosophies.

2/16/2015 8:40:10 PM

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"Wake is younger, new coach and system, and still beat us. "

@Wake they did, but don't forget we whopped them in Raleigh as always. Also, Wake shot lights out, probably the best game they played all year and we managed to keep it close towards the end.

2/16/2015 9:28:57 PM