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"Rex Ryan is a terrible coach. "

Then he's a perfect match.

11/1/2016 1:10:00 PM

Norv is available

11/2/2016 6:59:40 PM

Tony Siragusa? Tony Sparano? Tony Boselli? My money is on

11/2/2016 10:35:30 PM

PP posters throwing around Craig Bohl. He started the North Dakota State dynasty basically from nothing.

Currently in third year at Wyoming (4-8, 2-7, 7-2). 58 years old already though. Former DC at Rice and Nebraska.

11/7/2016 9:41:17 AM

Pass

11/7/2016 9:45:03 AM

^^ fucking lol

11/7/2016 10:00:37 AM

Todd Grantham. DC at UL and was at Georgia as well as Mich. State.

Has NFL ties, as well as from VA area.

3-4 scheme

11/7/2016 10:39:37 AM

NICK SABAN OR BUST

11/7/2016 2:06:37 PM

Should be a no brainer. Hire him Debbie

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/11/20/13694040/charlie-strong-fired-texas-coach-player-reaction

11/20/2016 11:29:42 PM

Geoff collins or someone like that pls if not the pipedream candidate

11/20/2016 11:56:30 PM

Charlie Strong is going to UNC after Fedora goes to LSU.

[Edited on November 21, 2016 at 12:22 AM. Reason : G]

11/21/2016 12:20:08 AM

after reading those tweets i like strong and would be fine hiring him but i dont see how it would be a smart move to fire doeren for a coach who has done less with more. maybe the obly strategy is to not build a program but keep people like you hushed for a few more years before you want to fire strong wash and repeat

11/21/2016 10:14:25 AM

I'm sure Strong would win atleast 9 games with our roster next season

[Edited on November 21, 2016 at 10:19 AM. Reason : ]

11/21/2016 10:18:58 AM

you obviously know nothing so im going to spell it out for you.

strong is 5-6 (same as us)

texas has a top 5-15 talent (depending on which recruiting rankings) roster with highly touted recruits at every position.

texas has the best respurces in the best football state.

and you idiots think going from riches to rags will get him from 5 to 9 wins.

11/21/2016 11:34:37 AM

pressure would be completely off him, so I think he does better

it is all still moot bc we'll never have a shot at him

11/21/2016 12:02:16 PM

Oh we'd have a shot, his reputation is tarnished from being mediocre in Texas. I don't know if another big-time program will be willing to take their chances with him.

But yeah, if he's not a great Xs and Os type coach and is better suited for fostering relationships with his players, then he wouldn't be a good fit here. We'd recruit well and bring in strong classes. But then the fanbase will go into meltdown mode when we don't win with what we think to be superior talent. We have the patience of a Texas with none of the prestige and history.

11/21/2016 12:21:40 PM

Yeah, Texas is probably the highest pressure college football job. And Mack Brown's shitty recruiting at the end of his tenure really hurt Strong (That and him caving into the pressure to switch to a spread offense).

11/21/2016 12:23:54 PM

hire strong yesterday

11/21/2016 1:10:04 PM

I don't really remember the timing of events of his time at Louisville, but didn't he basically continue the success that Petrino established? Sounds all too similar to DD. A guy who rode the coat tails of his predecessor. But again, I dont remember much of the details of his time at Louisville.

11/21/2016 1:12:06 PM

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"you idiots think going from riches to rags will get him from 5 to 9 wins."

Looks like you are someone w a vested interest in keeping DD at State. More than just a worthless troll.

11/21/2016 1:22:34 PM

Nah, he's right if you think a coaching change is going to get us from 5 to 9 in the span of a year, especially with a coach that's not proven to be strong in the X's and O's category.

The teams we're playing next year is already out there and we're already starting to hedge on expectations for next year. You should have said 7 or 8 wins. 9 was too greedy.

11/21/2016 1:25:37 PM

54 players on the depth chart (including special teams) and we're only loosing 9 players to graduation, by my count. Hopefully our youth will help us land a quality new coach & we'll have a good season next year.

11/21/2016 1:48:04 PM

I think this is a Herb type scenario with less success. Yes there is no guarantee that the next guy is going to be better but what point is there continuing on the same path when the writing is on the wall except dragging out suffering.

Lowe's tenure sucked but that doesn't mean getting rid of Herb was inherently wrong, he had run his course and we got through the Lowe years and are on to someone better. Flawed as he is Gott has had good success here.

11/21/2016 1:50:46 PM

Except that herb was a good coach.

Probably better to compare Doeren to Lowe in your example.

11/21/2016 2:26:48 PM

^Yeah no disputing that, more just talking about having reached a ceiling and the timing.

Point was just that Doeren will probably get to a bowl next year if retained but is that "improvement" anything worth keeping him around for so we can keep waffling around 6-7 wins for another year or two?

Go big or go home

11/21/2016 2:32:44 PM

I am always torn on these types of decisions. Sure based on current performance its hard to argue for the guy, but I also try to remember that most schools that have a revolving door on coaches stay in mediocrity. You have to rely on the people on the inside whose job it is to figure this stuff out can objectively look and be honest if they see improvement coming or not I guess.

11/21/2016 2:45:40 PM

3-13 for ACC home games. HOME GAMES.


Anyways, I'm not sure Strong is the candidate I want. He rode Petrino's coat tails with a good QB it seems.

Might have to look the SEC assistant route.

or Ed Orgeron. I doubt he sticks around long though, someone will offer him a job. Expecting Chizik to take over at UNC. Would be a good ol' SEC pairing

11/21/2016 3:22:07 PM

Nobody is gonna wanna coach here under an AD who is gonna retire in the near future, when the new AD would probably have a head football coach in mind. So we're stuck with this worthless sack of shit for the next couple seasons probably.

11/21/2016 3:53:45 PM

unless the Coach was so B.A. that he eclipsed the AD

If Nick Saban and his AD came to disagreement and one of them had to leave, you think it would be Saban?

I'm not saying this case is going to happen to NC State, but you can't say the opposite will NEVER happen

11/21/2016 4:43:20 PM

I've seen a lot of comments that DD should be retained because we will have a lot of player returning, and will probably make a bowl Can we stop pretending that becoming bowl eligible is some kind of achievement. Beating Syracuse, BC and WFU should be automatic W's. Add in the 3 crappy OOC games we always seem to schedule, and we should ALWAYS be bowl eligible.

This guy cant even get us bowl eligible half the time.

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"Nobody is gonna wanna coach here under an AD who is gonna retire in the near future"

Based off Debbie's comments regarding having high expectations and low tolerance for failure, I have a hard time believing this. But if the ADs pending retirement was really the major barrier, then she should be fired too. That's a stupid argument to stay stuck in failure for another year.

[Edited on November 21, 2016 at 5:05 PM. Reason : 1]

11/21/2016 5:01:39 PM

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"Anyways, I'm not sure Strong is the candidate I want. He rode Petrino's coat tails with a good QB it seems."

i admittedly don't know a ton about him and don't know if he'd be a good fit here or not. but here's what he did at UL

7-6 (3-4)
7-6 (5-2)
11-2 (5-2)
12-1 (7-1)

to me, that isn't riding Petrino's coattails. he improved the program significantly over his time there. again, i'm not super familiar with the situation, but it doesn't look like a case of him riding Petrino's coattails.

but to your other point, i'd be totally cool with going the higher profile coordinator route. too many unknowns with a young MAC or Sun Belt coach. don't get me wrong, you can hit a home run for sure. but it seems like there are too many variables accounting for a certain program's success at the G5 level that may not be specific to the coach. with a successful P5 coordinator, i think you can trust their recruiting acumen better, for one thing...they know how to do it at a P5 level, and to me recruiting is the #1 thing. and geography and familiarity with a region is important. DD came from a Wisc, Kansas, NIU background...he wasn't familiar with recruiting the southeast.

as far as DY retiring...man, if that 2019 timeframe is still what the plan is, that is a looong time to be stuck with a lame duck at HC. i think Yow's been a good AD...but if her pending retirement is preventing the football program (the #1 money maker for athletic depts) from moving forward, maybe she should retire earlier.

[Edited on November 21, 2016 at 5:19 PM. Reason : f]

11/21/2016 5:17:36 PM

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" But if the ADs pending retirement was really the major barrier,"

The major barrier is money. Debbie doesn't want to shit all over the budget for the next AD. That would be a surefire way to end up with a Lee Fowler caliber AD, because no good AD would come into a department that's behind the 8 ball when it comes to money.

I've resigned myself to another year of Doeren

11/21/2016 6:52:58 PM

He'll be back one more year guys, then it's over. Trust me, he doesn't want to be here anymore than we want him to. This job was a little too big for his breeches

11/21/2016 7:30:02 PM

This job? THIS fucking job?

11/21/2016 7:31:24 PM

Yea, Doeren will probably be a good defensive or linemen coach so.ewhere. But HC is just a little in over his head.

[Edited on November 21, 2016 at 7:52 PM. Reason : .]

11/21/2016 7:52:22 PM

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"Anyways, I'm not sure Strong is the candidate I want. He rode Petrino's coat tails with a good QB it seems."

If coming in a full three seasons after Petrino left and Steve Kragthorpe failed to make a bowl game for three years is riding coattails, then yes, he definitely rode Petrino's coattails.

11/21/2016 7:53:29 PM

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"The major barrier is money. Debbie doesn't want to shit all over the budget for the next AD. That would be a surefire way to end up with a Lee Fowler caliber AD, because no good AD would come into a department that's behind the 8 ball when it comes to money."

How is the barrier money? Isn't Doeren's buyout like $2.3 million? These days that's fucking peanuts.

And think about all the money the athletic department is saving by DD not hitting any of his bonus objectives

[Edited on November 22, 2016 at 9:15 AM. Reason : ]

11/22/2016 9:14:27 AM

You got that much to just throw around? Plus more than that per year to hire the type of coach that's being suggested?

11/22/2016 9:49:02 AM

Les to Purdue?

DD getting another year is my guess

11/22/2016 2:25:04 PM

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"The major barrier is money."

No, its not.

11/22/2016 2:46:52 PM

what coach wants to come into a program that fires their coach every 6 years and will have a new AD in another year or two?

11/22/2016 3:06:56 PM

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"fires their coach every 6 years"

Sounds like 75% of the schools out there

11/22/2016 3:18:16 PM

National Championship winning coaches get fired. Come on. Fulmer, Mack Brown, Chizik, Miles recently come to mind. The rotation we have had is no different than any other school trying to find their Saban.

11/22/2016 10:43:07 PM

75% of schools don't have an AD on the way out

11/23/2016 7:35:43 AM

Here is the thing I think most people seem to forget... if someone does come in here and makes us a good football program they will be gone immediately... I mean if someone can make NC State actually good you dont think the bigger programs would poach them away with a quickness? We are doomed to mediocrity either way so why not just finish up the Doeren era in what makes the most financial and stability sense?

We had our small window of time where FSU and Clemson were down and we had NFL QB's on our roster and instead teams like Wake and Maryland took advantage. Until Jimbo and Dabo and Petrino move on we arent sniffing any division titles so our ceiling right now is finding someone who can beat BC, Wake, and Syracuse every year and maybe upset one of those three each year. Doeren doesn't seem like the guy but some people dont seem to understand we arent going to be much better than we are right now no matter who we hire. Instead of a 5-7 season maybe we have a 7-5 season.

Yeah I get it you guys think I am a debbie downer and blah blah but what have the results shown year after year? Every single year its next year is gonna be the year and then its another mediocre year. This is the case in basketball as well. Just accept that this is what our program is now unfortunately.

11/23/2016 8:51:24 AM

You are a downer. All it would take is two successful coaching choices in a row to maintain a permanent higher position in the pecking order. Admittedly, that's a tall order for us since we can't even do it ONCE - but it's far from the grim situation you describe.

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"what coach wants to come into a program that fires their coach every 6 years and will have a new AD in another year or two?"

Perhaps one that will know his job is safe in the 3rd or 4th year if he can manage to go 4-4 in the ACC? Not exactly hard to look good after programs led by Doeren & O'Brien.

11/23/2016 9:09:52 AM

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" if someone does come in here and makes us a good football program they will be gone immediately... I mean if someone can make NC State actually good you dont think the bigger programs would poach them away with a quickness? "

i'm not totally sold on this being the case...i mean, yeah, if we hire a coach who goes 11-2 within a couple years, then sure bigger programs will come calling. but most of us are asking for a coach who can first just get us to 8-4 consistently, a walk before we run type scenario...that isn't gonna have high profile program beating down the door. there are always G5 coaches that have more hype (Herman and Fleck right now) and always high level assistants the big programs chase. so sure, somebody may come calling if we get really good really fast...but that's no reason to not try to get really good.

hell, even if that did happen it would just prove to other coaches that you can come win here and might elevate us to a higher level to be able to attract different coaches.

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"We had our small window of time where FSU and Clemson were down and we had NFL QB's on our roster and instead teams like Wake and Maryland took advantage. Until Jimbo and Dabo and Petrino move on we arent sniffing any division titles so our ceiling right now is finding someone who can beat BC, Wake, and Syracuse every year and maybe upset one of those three each year."

sure, but we aren't even in a position to compete for the division title in a year where FSU or Clemson are down, if that were to happen. UL put themselves in that position this year. and really, i don't put UL in the same echelon as FSU or Clemson. they have a Heisman QB and are positioned to compete for a title as long as he stays at UL. they should be pretty good on a regular basis with Petrino...but they probably aren't gonna maintain this top 10 level play every year.

those teams will have their down years...maybe not really bad down years, but years where they are beatable (FSU is having that year right now). and it's easy to say "we'll never be able to win the division over those teams" and while this is a very top heavy division, we can still shoot for a top 25 ranking and putting a better product on the field that is at least positioned to be a good team even if we aren't gonna start having superior talent to Clemson and FSU. i mean, if we're a top 25 program it isn't gonna take the upset of the century for us to get hot and knock of Clemson and FSU one season. you have to be in a position compete against those teams. so i disagree that beating the bottom feeders and maybe getting one upset is our ceiling...i'm not saying we have the resources and ability to be a national contender in football, but we can be a top 25 team

[Edited on November 23, 2016 at 10:16 AM. Reason : c]

11/23/2016 10:08:31 AM

Fuck you guys and your defeatist attitudes.

We were a field goal kick away from beating Clemson this year and they're going to be in the national playoffs. We played FSU to the wire and managed to fuck it up down the stretch, too. Some poor decisions lost us the ECU game, but we'd have won it too if we didn't have a whole fleet of retarded kickers.

I am not high on Doeren right now either, and would be ok to see him go. But if you think we can't compete with Clemson every year with the right coach and some good recruiting you're out of your god damned mind

11/23/2016 10:33:32 AM

^^This should be pinned to the top of every page.

[Edited on November 23, 2016 at 10:38 AM. Reason : 1]

11/23/2016 10:38:43 AM

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"Fuck you guys and your defeatist attitudes."

I hope you're not a businessman.

11/23/2016 10:57:11 AM