I didn't vote for bernie. I was going to until they suppressed my vote my forcing people to register democrat to vote in primaries. I wasn't about that.

10/9/2016 10:09:55 PM

So trump just said he hasn't talked to Pence on Syria, and he disagreed with him.

10/9/2016 10:13:58 PM

Trump talking about inner cities like we are still in the 80s crack epidemic. No one can afford to live in the inner cities anymore.

10/9/2016 10:15:44 PM

Hillary looks likes shes wondering how the class clown is on the same stage as an equal to the valedictorian.

10/9/2016 10:16:46 PM

Detroit south of 8 miles
South Chicago
Gary
Flint
Milwaukee
Hell, South Raleigh

you know what hes talking about

10/9/2016 10:19:21 PM

Somebody please bring back pre-sheepdog Bernie!

10/9/2016 10:24:21 PM

I missed the first 15-20 minutes or so but but trump seemed to agitated and preoccupied this entire time. Can't see this helping him.

10/9/2016 10:26:17 PM

^^^ Donald trump has never heard of Gary

[Edited on October 9, 2016 at 10:27 PM. Reason : .]

10/9/2016 10:26:52 PM

Quote :

"I didn't vote for bernie. I was going to until they suppressed my vote my forcing people to register democrat to vote in primaries. I wasn't about that."

You are just saddled in student debt lol

10/9/2016 10:27:46 PM

trump dominated the first 20 minutes. even my hillary friends were posting about it on facebook. then the debate moved on to policy...

10/9/2016 10:27:58 PM

The moderators really are trying to throw her a bone here. The female moderator was actually arguing with Trump.

10/9/2016 10:28:37 PM

Hillary's gotta get those facial reactions under control.
Then again, I know I'd have no chance not making crazy ass faces at what Trump is saying

10/9/2016 10:35:24 PM

im posting out of anticipation for trumps final answer. he should hammer home the bill clinton accusers on this

[Edited on October 9, 2016 at 10:35 PM. Reason : re: what do you respect about the opponent]

10/9/2016 10:35:35 PM

Who is MEGA CHIN? What does this red faced man want?

10/9/2016 10:40:05 PM

Honestly probably a push. Clinton's Lincoln thing was awful as was Trump's rambling mess on Syria.

Trump would have been better off not pulling his ridiculousness earlier.

Trump probably needed a win more than Clinton, though.

10/9/2016 10:41:46 PM

Of course you pick someone out of the audience to make fun of. I bet that entire time, all that poor man thought was how people were going to talk about him.

10/9/2016 10:42:00 PM

I think Hillary did a slightly better job overall. The first part was brutal and Trump got in some sick burns that definitely didn't help. Once the debate shifted to actual policy, Hillary did a much better job, although she could have definitely done better.

10/9/2016 10:43:45 PM

^^ I apologize for my not morbidly obese privilege, I am so sorry if I offended you
2 mentions of George Soros, getting better.

Still no questions about Clinton Foundation tho


[Edited on October 9, 2016 at 10:46 PM. Reason : .]

10/9/2016 10:44:51 PM

Trump disappointed me. I thought he was gonna grab her by the pussy (rhetorically) on Bill Clinton's past and he didn't really.

As far as if it helped or hurt his election chances, who gives a shit, because he's not going to win.

10/9/2016 10:49:22 PM

Trump seemed less factual than the first debate but was more assertive, and Hillary didn't have any great moments, so I can see the pundits giving it to trump by virtue of the fact he did collapse completely.

10/9/2016 10:49:35 PM

i was glad trump called out the media

10/9/2016 10:51:45 PM

Anyone who thinks Trump "won" because he wasn't as horrible as his last debate needs to remember that being president isn't like a game of golf with your buddies. You don't get a 40 stroke handicap with other world leaders and politicians.

10/9/2016 10:52:30 PM

It's also important to remember that these debates aren't for smart people who have been paying attention. Undecided voters aren't deep thinkers, they're mostly low information and largely don't car about depth of policy. They want things that sound smart or strong, doesn't matter if it makes sense as long as it sound good.

10/9/2016 11:00:51 PM

we are about to find out if the polls are real or not. If Trump doesn't lose double digits, we know the polls are a hoax.

[Edited on October 9, 2016 at 11:14 PM. Reason : also if johnson doesn't go up by at least 5 points]

10/9/2016 11:06:01 PM

I thought the moderators actually did a pretty decent job. They asked hard questions of both and pushed back on both. Not perfect but a solid job. As far as who won I would give a slight win to Trump. Sure he spewed plenty of bullshit but I thought he seemed to control the debate better. And let's be honest, if anyone lets a debate skew their opinion then they aren't in it for the minute policy details.

10/9/2016 11:08:26 PM

^^^

Trump didn't really answer a single question directly aside from the one about emails, but he has a knack for distraction. Hillary can't hang with him in an exchange of barbs, and she should have just began the debate by emphasizing her policies and not really addressing his scandals. I think she did a good job of describing an inclusive America, but she wasted a lot of time rebutting his claims that weren't even on topic.

[Edited on October 9, 2016 at 11:09 PM. Reason : .]

10/9/2016 11:09:28 PM

i'm hearing hillary threw the debate because she knows she would lose if she knocked trump out of the race.

10/9/2016 11:16:34 PM

lol Earl

10/9/2016 11:19:38 PM

Check out @FoxNews's Tweet: https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/785317896238923776?s=09

These are the chucklefucks the debates are for. If you're posting on this message board you're probably more informed than these people will ever be. Listen to them. Just fucking listen to what resonated and what their takeaways were.

10/9/2016 11:21:45 PM

Ugh. If this were one of the high school debate competitions I used to judge, I think I would declare that nobody won. Neither of them has great delivery, and only Hillary even pretended to treat the questions as prompts.

Trump did better than last time. He stayed closer to message and had more well-developed lines of attack. They were still bad, and he still can't stick through a sentence from one end to another, but better. I think he seemed even more petulant and sore loser-y than before, which I guess might sway the odd undecided who views it as weakness.

Hillary had chances to land a coup de grace and she didn't, or couldn't, do it. Which may be strategic. I can envision a school of thought which says, "If Hillary lays it on too thick, she'll come off as a hectoring nag. Better to wait until after the debate and have other organs do it." Or she may be waiting until the last debate, when it might have the most lasting impact. But it still would have been satisfying to hear her respond to "She said it, so she meant it" with a crushing remark about his comments on the tape.

If hay is not made with "I know nothing about Russia," then the Democrats are dumber than I thought.

10/9/2016 11:24:12 PM

She's really, really bad at this stuff. She's good when she does town hall events solo or in an interview, but she's awful when pressed.

Again, I'm just amazed that she allowed herself to be on the defensive for at least half this debate. She even managed to seem unprepared for the wiki leaks Wallstreet speeches question. It actually helped with Trumps best moment (talking about how Hillary has helped rich donors who are people like him).

10/9/2016 11:42:33 PM

Yeah, Hillary kind of a sucked tonight, definitely a let down after the past 48 hours. Not that it really matters, she's still going to win big, but I was looking forward to her delivering the killing blow. Ah well.

10/9/2016 11:43:53 PM

then the republicans would have had emergency sessions in every state and made paul ryan a write in candidate and prolly won the election.

10/9/2016 11:57:06 PM

Trump's question of "Why haven't you donated any of your money to your own campaign" should have been delivered harder. Not sure why his camp isn't telling him to play that up more, that she is bought and paid for by the same "evil tax-evading Wallstreet" she claims to be against. He said "Follow the money" last debate but he should really cut her off and cite how much money big banks pay her when she starts to critique the 1%.

10/10/2016 12:29:51 AM

Trump is a sex predator and insanely incompetent but I wonder how many realize when Clinton talks no fly zones against Russia and Assad in Syria, she is talking a horrific expansion of the endless war.

10/10/2016 1:19:17 AM

^ same for safe zones, which they both called for (although Trump likely has no idea what this entails, or what a no fly zone is).

Neither candidate has a great plan for syria, but there's not many great options. It is a new cold war-- the main factor is Russia. If it wasn't for Russia's backing of assad, the options are much simpler.

10/10/2016 1:35:04 AM

getting the fuck out is a great option

[Edited on October 10, 2016 at 1:41 AM. Reason : neocons be like OMG BUT WHAT IF WE LEAVE AND RUSSIA STABILIZES THE REGION]

10/10/2016 1:39:30 AM

Interesting that the scientific polls (SAD! that I have to distinguish by saying scientific) are showing Clinton winning the debate but Trump exceeding expectations by more. I saw it more 50/50 from a handled it well perspective.

Of course it's absolutely impossible to judge Trump considering all he did was lie and parrot far right wing media talking points. But he didn't lose his cool or berate anyone so that is good.

(And I'll walk back my Clinton/Lincoln thing. Astonishingly she told the truth and what she said was the context of her quote. Who is paying $250k for that shit speech though? Yuck.)

**** interesting talking point going around media. What incentive does Trump have to actually do third debate? He certainly did more than imply that they were unfair to him and he didn't come off as a total and complete nutcase. Why risk doing a third?

[Edited on October 10, 2016 at 7:58 AM. Reason : X]

10/10/2016 7:55:35 AM

Quote :

"These are the chucklefucks the debates are for."

Truuuuth. How the fuck can people still be undecided?

^Isn't the the last debate is hosted by fox news which would provide more favorable moderating towards Trump?

[Edited on October 10, 2016 at 10:24 AM. Reason : .]

10/10/2016 10:23:41 AM

if you are talking about the cnn orc pills as scientific it's a funny joke. they even had a disclaimer that most of the people in that poll were democrats.

10/10/2016 10:32:22 AM

It's hilarious that trump can't even keep his criticisms from contradicting each other. Like on one hand he claims that the power vacuum from the Iraq war led to the rise of ISIS (which is mostly true, even though the republicans have most of the blame there), then a few minutes later he complains about the Iran deal and says Iran was about to collapse, like that would have been fantastic and had no negative consequences at all.

10/10/2016 3:04:07 PM

If the GOP could find any possible way to get Trump to drop and replace him with nearly anyone even this late in the game they would still have a pretty good chance at winning. Poor Trump is going to have to live with losing by a landslide to the second worst candidate we may have ever had haha and I don't even feel bad for him.

10/10/2016 3:21:20 PM

Quote :

"if you are talking about the cnn orc pills as scientific it's a funny joke. they even had a disclaimer that most of the people in that poll were democrats."

nope.



http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2016/images/10/10/debate.2.poll.pdf

10/10/2016 3:42:40 PM

Iirc that's about what the country is, more registered democrats but more independents lean right.

10/10/2016 4:35:43 PM

Remember they do these polls by grabbing phone numbers from registered voter rolls, and then try to call an even number of Democrats and Republicans. The fact that more of the actual respondents who watched the debate identify themselves as Democrats is a bad sign for Republicans in and of itself.

..

This link explains it pretty well. Basically party ID isn't something they know before hand in most cases, it's based on what the respondent tells the person doing the survey.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-polls-arent-skewed-trump-really-is-losing-badly/



[Edited on October 10, 2016 at 4:55 PM. Reason : .]

10/10/2016 4:46:34 PM

Quote :

"if you are talking about the cnn orc pills as scientific it's a funny joke. they even had a disclaimer that most of the people in that poll were democrats."

It's amazing someone as informed as The E Man can be that stupid about how polling and sampling work.

10/10/2016 5:14:53 PM

No, it's not.

10/10/2016 6:24:10 PM

its well-known that democrats are more likely to watch the debates. obviously in a polarised environment, if you ask 37% democrats, and 26% republicans, the democrat is going to win. Especially when most independents are to the left of the democratic party.

I understand sampling and how polls work. i've published quantitative research. i just don't trust the sources or the system at all. the debates are not even real debates anyway so the concept of winning is "moot". the people running them have clear conflict of interest. Then we could get to the polls which claim to be scientific but are scams and have intentionally flawed methods. They should be illegal because they are an anti-democratic tool at this point.

10/10/2016 7:23:51 PM

yes, asking people who they are going to vote for and them sharing those results is very anti-democratic. We should just not ask anyone anything ever and then when election day comes around, everyone will enjoy the surprise of who won and agree with the decision without questioning it. FOH dude. LOL

10/10/2016 7:29:37 PM

well we know the polls are being used to keep 3rd parties out of the debates because if they get in then they will likely win like ventura did.

we also know that seeing the polls influences the way people vote.

Quote :

" We should just not ask anyone anything ever and then when election day comes around, everyone will enjoy the surprise of who won and agree with the decision without questioning it. FOH dude. LOL"

exit polls can address this concern (which was not actually stated but implied)

[Edited on October 10, 2016 at 7:42 PM. Reason : d]

10/10/2016 7:39:03 PM