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""Syndey" needs to focus on getting players that want to help BUILD a program, not abuse it for 1 year and skeedaddle to the NBA."

What if he doesn't abuse the program? What if Wall came in, averaged 15 PPG and 8 APG, leading us to a top 3 ACC Finish and the Sweet 16? What if our players dealt with the fact they might not be starting because there's someone on the team who is much better than them, and can actually play with anyone? What if because of Wall's success here, we land more top recruits in the future?

I'm not going to say he'd come in and average 8 APG or lead us to the sweet 16 necessarily, but the rest is very achievable if we had Wall. Sure he'd be gone after a year, but after that year we'd have Harrow available to play PG, and he'd help elevate our program some while he was here.

2/9/2009 12:51:57 PM

Also think about this. With the other guards going up against Wall in practice they would get that much better, and perhaps be much improved the following year. Ben and Brandon became good b/c they got to go up against Cedric Simmons and Andrew Brackman for one year, and also battle against each other in practice. Then when our guards have to go up against the Ty Lawsons and Tyrese Rices of the world, they won't completely shit the bed.

2/9/2009 12:56:05 PM

It looks like Sid's already setting a solid foundation with reliable players, a lot of role players and glue players and workhorses. we could use a superstar or two.

and i, for one, am fine with the wolfpackhooops updates on here. it's a great site, and as was mentioned, he's not selling anythingl

2/9/2009 1:09:36 PM

^^good point

Also, if we get Wall i wouldn't be surprised if he stayed for 2 years. It's rare to see a point guard go to the NBA after just one year. It's much harder for a point guard to make the transition than a big man. It's not too much to ask a 6'11" 19 year old to post up and dunk the ball, but it's very difficult for someone who is just a year out of high school to be expected to run the offense and contain the likes of Chris Paul, Nash, and Arenas on defense (which is the weakest part of Wall's game.) I can see wall staying for 2 maybe 3 (doubtful) years in college to develop his game.

[Edited on February 9, 2009 at 1:10 PM. Reason : error]

2/9/2009 1:10:08 PM

Until he starts trying to sell a subscription to his blog, I welcome his link.

2/9/2009 1:14:48 PM

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"I can see wall staying for 2 maybe 3 (doubtful) years in college to develop his game."

Wall is 100% one-and-done.

2/9/2009 1:18:10 PM

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"just buy an ad"

don't be a fucking dick, he's not trying to sell you anything, it's a free site with really good info/interviews. If they turn it into a subscription site and he starts trying to recruit paying users, then you can bitch about buying an ad.

2/9/2009 1:18:45 PM

i didn't click her links (profile says 25 F) but I figured the site was a pay site, and that user is just trolling to get improved traffic through his/her own site.

since it's free I guess that's ok. but still, EVERY post has a link? cmon.... just put the link in your status bar.

2/9/2009 1:38:58 PM

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"Wall is 100% one-and-done."

I'd say he's 75% one-and-done.

Of course, some people might say that at this point in time, there' no way to say if he's 50% or 75% or 100%.

And they would be right.

2/9/2009 1:43:56 PM

it all depends on how he does his freshman year. i do expect him to be one and done, but the fact that he is a point guard it is more likely that he might stick around for two.

2/9/2009 1:59:03 PM

If he goes to UNC, he is 50% one and done, because when you go to UNC, even if you have a better season than 90 percent of the pros that played at NC State in the history of the program, you have the media, the school, and everyone else and their mother telling you to stay in school because thats whats best for YOU.

If he goes to NC State, he can have a season half as good as Ty Lawson's freshman year and still jet for the draft (100% probability) and be picked high, because the only people telling him to stay would be our coaching staff. The media, the fans, the media, and everyone else and their mother would be telling him to go pro because thats whats best for HIM.

2/9/2009 1:59:49 PM

Wall is as close to 100% one and done as you can get. Even if he has a mediocre year the NBA drafts on potential and he is as projectable as they come. He has the size, the quickness, the instincts and the athleticism to be a Top 3 pick RIGHT NOW. Frankly, I think he'd be the #1 pick in this years draft without the one year rule . One year of college ball, even subpar college ball, isn't going to change that.

You recruit a guy like Wall with the complete and full knowledge that he is a one year player.

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"Of course, some people might say that at this point in time, there' no way to say if he's 50% or 75% or 100%. And they would be right."

Yeah, he could get hit by a bus tonight. Barring an amputation or death, he is a 1 and done.

[Edited on February 9, 2009 at 2:06 PM. Reason : x]

2/9/2009 2:05:28 PM

I just hope we get him, i don't want to spend my last year at state watching the joke of a backcourt that we have this year "run" the "offense" again next year. i will gladly take a one and done Wall.

2/9/2009 2:09:28 PM

^we will have brown & wood coming in, and mays should be better than javi and degand by next year. but yeah, i'd really like to have wall as well. i can't believe there are people who don't want him to come.

[Edited on February 9, 2009 at 2:27 PM. Reason : ]

2/9/2009 2:21:40 PM

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"i can't believe there are people who don't want him to come."

that just shows you how dumb our fans are

2/9/2009 2:24:09 PM

^ seriously, why would you not want the best point guard from this years class on your team. A good point guard can make even the team we have look like a very good team. Ex. State's 06-07 team with Engin Atsur vs. the same team without Atsur.

2/9/2009 2:44:31 PM

Got the chance to talk with Ryan Harrow's Coach Joe Goydish this past Friday. He is an incredible guy. Here is how the conversation broke down.

Interview with Ryan Harrow's Coachhttp://www.wolfpackhoops.com

2/9/2009 2:55:46 PM

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"A good point guard can make even the team we have look like a very good team."

I'd go as far as to say that we would be a pretty good team this year if we had Wall running the point this year.

2/9/2009 3:05:10 PM

I know that we have a lot of crazy and stupid fans, but I just don't get people wanting to crucify Lowe b/c he can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

2/9/2009 3:09:53 PM

^ true

Coaches in college should at least be given four years and a chance to get their players plugged into their system. But if after those four years things aren't beginning to improve; then Lowe's credibility should be brought into question. We've got a lot of good players coming in the next two years, now we'll get a chance to see if Lowe can coach. Personally I'm still very pessimistic about the future, but it's hard for any state fan to be an optimist.

[Edited on February 9, 2009 at 3:38 PM. Reason : x]

2/9/2009 3:36:45 PM

^Expect the best, accept the worst. It's a good motto to live by, especially if you're a state fan.

But I am cautiousy optimistic about our recruits and how this team will be playing in the future compared to how they're playing now.

2/9/2009 3:42:49 PM

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"he can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit."

The fact we've consistenly been in games, even against top opponents, shows we're not "chicken shit" so that excuse is getting so old to me. Yeah, we don't have a point guard, but we ARE good enough to compete game-to-game. A good coach will win more of the close games than he loses, and we seem to lose all of them, and sometimes, epically lose them.

The blame isn't 100% on him but damn, he has to own some of that shit instead of just passing it on to his "chicken shit" players.

2/9/2009 3:43:43 PM

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"Expect the best, accept the worst."

That should be hung at every entrance to the RBC Center.

[Edited on February 9, 2009 at 3:56 PM. Reason : ]

2/9/2009 3:49:40 PM

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"The fact we've consistenly been in games, even against top opponents, shows we're not "chicken shit" so that excuse is getting so old to me."

orrr that could be a testament to his coaching to put us in position to win with chicken shit

2/9/2009 3:50:22 PM

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"he has to own some of that shit"

im a lowe defender but i will agree with this 100%

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"Coaching at the college level is alot like parenting. You have to set reasonable rules and expectations, and enforce them in a fair and evenhanded manner. Players have to understand what they need to do to earn minutes. We’ve heard from numerous people that our players have no idea what to expect, in terms of getting benched or earning playing time. Sidney Lowe doesn’t know what he’s doing, and he’s flailing around and pointing fingers to shield himself from blame. But I’m sure he’ll do a great job replacing 90% of our offensive and rebounding next year, with one recruit expected to be an “immediate impact” player. Right? We just need to believe! Because Sid really WANTS to win, and he’s one of us! Yay!"

i also agree with this

2/9/2009 3:52:22 PM

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"I know that we have a lot of crazy and stupid fans, but I just don't get people wanting to crucify Lowe b/c he can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit."

Seriously Brass?

2/9/2009 3:56:29 PM

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"orrr that could be a testament to his coaching to put us in position to win with chicken shit"

Sounds good on paper, but look how many games we've basically given away this year. If you're leading by double digits in the 2nd half of a game, you should win at least half of the time (it should be more than that, but we are NC State after all). It's college basketball, crazy things happen from time to time and there are big comebacks, but when you consistently give up leads and lose close games, there's something wrong that's more than just your players aren't good enough.

2/9/2009 4:05:59 PM

Coach Lowe is 5-1 in OT games, so he knows how to coach in tight situations. We have nothing at PG. Now look at the football team after Rivers left and before Wilson started. We were terrible. If you don't have a capable PG or QB you won't win many games. If Chris Wright had came to State we would have been a very different team. Until we get a top notch PG in here or our current ones develop enough to not be turnover machines, then we won't be very successful. But oh wait, help is on the way in Brown and Harrow. Now everyone needs to STFU for this season and only start bitching about Lowe when Brown and Harrow are here and we still suck. Canning Lowe before he can get his guys in here would be a ridiculous and make us look stupid. No coach (even alums) would want to coach here b/c they would know that if they struggle early on while trying to build the program then they would instantly be on shaky ground. Look at how Oliver Purnell has built the Clemson program up. He is in his sixth season there and has them rolling right now. He was on shaky ground early on. Clemson stuck with him and he has them in the Top 10 and last year got them back to the NCAAs for the first time in 10 years.

Clearly the man can recruit. I also really like the grittiness that his guys play with. Julius Mays is full of confidence and has a swagger to him. CJ Williams is a pretty decent defender and has a nice mid-range game. Johnny Thomas is athletic as hell and can certainly clean up around the rim. I don't think I need to make a case for how good Tracy Smith is. Javi is pretty tough. A lot of guys would have quit if they had lost playing time like that. I really liked what he had to show in the first half and part of the second half of the VT game. That bounce pass to Fells, iirc, in the first half while out on the break was a thing of beauty. Provided he keeps his confidence up he can be a decent PG by the time he leaves State.

2/9/2009 4:11:12 PM

I never said he should be fired but everybody who is refusing to ask questions of their coach and the team's performance and instead likes to just blame it on not having a PG need to wake up. Nobody's saying he should have us in the Final Four - we would just like to fucking win games that we lead by 19 points.

2/9/2009 4:25:24 PM

recruiting someone who can make a few free throws down the stretch would be awesome.

2/9/2009 4:29:52 PM

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"I never said he should be fired but everybody who is refusing to ask questions of their coach and the team's performance and instead likes to just blame it on not having a PG need to wake up."

I don't know about others, but i just don't understand why people get on tww to bitch and moan about how shitty lowe is. What's the point? What good does it do? Will complaining about the coach on the internet make the team better? No, absolutely not. Could it be detrimental to the team? Possibly. So again, what's the point? That's why I defend Lowe. Honestly, I don't know if he's good or bad yet, and honestly, no one else can really say either. If you're certain your opinion on Lowe is correct, then you are an idiot.

V Hmm... There are plenty of people who get on this internet message board and don't bitch and moan. But then there are some that do? What's up with that?

[Edited on February 9, 2009 at 4:59 PM. Reason : ]

2/9/2009 4:34:28 PM

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"I don't know about others, but i just don't understand why people get on tww to bitch and moan about how shitty lowe is. What's the point? What good does it do?"

I don't understand why people get on tww to bitch and moan about people bitching and moaning about how shitty Lowe is. What's the point? What good does it do?

It's a fucking internet message board, there's never a point other than to bitch and moan most of the time.

2/9/2009 4:55:15 PM

point being that players and recruits read message boards.

bitching about your own coach and players only hurts the program and makes you look like a douche

2/9/2009 5:11:05 PM

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"Coach Goydish: He’ll be a Top-50 player when the rankings come out again. He wasn’t on the AAU circuit for 2 years because of injury. Last season was his first season back on the circuit. He also barely played last season because he transferred down here mid-season. He kind of went under the radar. We think that he is the best point guard in the state of Georgia. He will be a 5-Star player before it is all said and done. "

god damn I wish 2010 was here. Him and lo brown will be nasty...absolutely nasty

2/9/2009 5:14:05 PM

Apparently we have begun recruiting 2010 SG Brian Richardson. He's rated a 3* prospect by Scout. ESPN grades him as an 85. He's made two unofficial visits to UVA so far, and they could be the current favorite.

Ht: 6-4 Wt: 170
Position: SG, PG
AAU Team: CP3 All-Stars
High School: Greenfield School
(Wilson, NC)

Schools Interested (known offers in italics)
Virginia
South Carolina
George Washington
UNC-Wilmington
Arizona State
Auburn
Clemson
Marquette
N.C. State
Virginia Tech
VCU

2/9/2009 6:12:10 PM

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"Clearly the man can recruit."

Out of all the players you listed: Mays, Thomas, Williams, Smith, Javi, 1/5 would get regular playing time on a good (UNC/Duke) team. I don't care how gritty or whatever they are, they need to be ACC caliber.

People are all up in arms about Sid's recruiting when it is no better than the previous coach's and he is doing less with them so far. That is the main reason people are upset.

2/9/2009 11:26:57 PM

we're talking about the next two classes, you fucking dipshit.

2/9/2009 11:29:43 PM

after all it is a thread about recruiting

2/9/2009 11:31:20 PM

Next years class is nice... not great yet, but nice.

I think that Zo Brown will be a solid ACC player after a year or two and I love the defense that Howell is supposed to bring. He will be a nice compliment to Tracy next year. Not sold on Scott Wood... he is a dime a dozen role player IMO. Certainly every team needs those, but I think people are really putting too high expectations on him.

2 years from now we have an absolute STUD in Leslie who I think will be one of the Top 5-10 prospects in the country by the time he (god willing) signs his LOI. Harrow is a decent prospect, but from the videos I've seen he needs to mature physically A LOT...

[Edited on February 9, 2009 at 11:35 PM. Reason : x]

2/9/2009 11:34:28 PM

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"we're talking about the next two classes, you fucking dipshit."

Ummm I'm not you fucking dipshit to use your terms.

I'm addressing Brass's comments about Sid being able to recruit.

So far his players have not turned out to be that great.

2/9/2009 11:36:59 PM

^x5 obviously I was talking about the next two classes.

^^ have you watched Harrow play. the dude should be very highly rated once they redo the rankings for the 2010 class. either way he seems very special and is currently our highest scoring recruit.

[Edited on February 9, 2009 at 11:49 PM. Reason : ]

2/9/2009 11:39:42 PM

Well Harrow is still a year and a half from coming to NC State, so he has time to fill out.


Regarding Scott Wood, I don't think he's supposed to come in to be a world beater, but he's a solid basketball player, fundamentally sound on both ends of the floor, and he can shoot the lights out of the ball. Even just watching some of the single game highlights, the kid literally has unlimited range.


Unfortunately, these kids are going to have a lot of pressure to perform next year. I think we have the potential to be really good in 2 years regardless of what John Wall or Demarcus Cousins decide, we just have to give ourselves the chance.

2/9/2009 11:39:53 PM

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"have you watched Harrow play. the dude should be very highly rated once they redo the rankings for the 2010 class. either way he seems very special and is currently our highest scoring recruit."

I've seen him play. He certainly has the raw talent but I think you'd agree he really needs to fill out to compete at the ACC level. A 150-155 pound PG isn't going to get to the hoop in one piece all that often in this conference...

[Edited on February 9, 2009 at 11:43 PM. Reason : ^ yeah I know re: Harrow... just saying what I see now]

2/9/2009 11:42:49 PM

He really will get eaten alive in the ACC, but I'm not worried about his weight. with 10 lbs he will look a lot bigger, and with 20 he'll look about like Degand.

2/9/2009 11:44:40 PM

He should be able to fill out. Chris Paul was in a similar situation in high school.

2/9/2009 11:50:14 PM

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"A 150-155 pound PG isn't going to get to the hoop in one piece all that often in this conference..."

2/9/2009 11:53:35 PM

Paul was around 165-170 his SR year of high school... maybe Harrow will fill out that 10-15 pounds... At 6'0" that 10-15 pounds makes a HUGE difference

[Edited on February 9, 2009 at 11:56 PM. Reason : paul also had INCREDIBLE body control]

2/9/2009 11:56:04 PM

still very much in it for Wall.

still very much in it for Cousins.

and you are a dipshit, packboozie, if you consider the class we have already and the fact we're still in the game for those two as poor recruiting.

2/9/2009 11:58:46 PM

lmao, we're talking about a 155-160 lb JUNIOR in high school needing to fill out?? The kid is 6'0...he'll fill out. Hes got two years.

Scott Wood is a role player, but one we DESPERATELY need, and one i don't think you can count as a "Dime a dozen". Kid has shot 40-45% from 3 his high school career. Not to mention he is 6'6. A 6'6 wing player with that kinda shot....you just don't find everyday.

2/9/2009 11:59:01 PM

Paul also used his dead grandfather as motivation

2/9/2009 11:59:18 PM