Quote :

"Do people actually contest this? "

It's not that people contest it. It's that MANY college educated "liberals" on the left ignore this reality because they don't want to sympathize with the marginalized victims of corporate globalism.

They DON'T WANT to change the current capitalist model of labor exploitation, because in their bubbles, they're doing alright. And in order to accept this current economic model, they have to victim blame the marginalized (often uneducated) working class and label them as RACIST MISOGYNIST LOSERS who deserve their current fate. They have to ignore their valid grievances by adopting a "bootstraps" mentality.


Now, of course, Corporate Democrats will go on and on about Hillary's (and other establishment Democrats) "platform," and how it would have been preferable to Trumps for those voters, which is true. But they also have to ignore her track record (and the track record of other corporate democrats) on issues of trade, economic policy and financial regulation. Because in that respect, corporate democrats are not much different from corporate republicans. That's why they have to focus on wedge issues like identity politics in order to brand themselves as "populists." And after a certain point, that message backfires and gives rise to the jingoist, ultra nationalist voices on the far right.

4/8/2017 7:47:59 PM

You can take all you just wrote and put together 100% equivalent 3 paragraphs for Republicans and how they operate.

As long as poor republicans are fighting poor democrats rich republicans and rich democrats will keep getting richer. Then those rich people will continue to fund politics on both rides to keep poor people fighting and the cycle continues. Then we all argue on a message board.

4/8/2017 10:27:55 PM

Cool, Jeff Sessions wants to "bring back" the 80s style war on drugs. Seems like progress

[link]https://www.washingtonpost.com/pwa/?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.bf162b205f40#https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/how-jeff-sessions-wants-to-bring-back-the-war-on-drugs/2017/04/08/414ce6be-132b-11e7-ada0-1489b735b3a3_story.html[/link]

[Edited on April 9, 2017 at 10:23 AM. Reason : He hires only the best people]

4/9/2017 10:23:31 AM

70s war polices, 90s drug polices, and 2000s tax polices, this will turn out fine, right?

4/9/2017 12:55:46 PM

^

4/9/2017 1:27:04 PM

policies or police styles?

4/9/2017 1:38:03 PM

Dammit Policies

4/9/2017 10:06:20 PM

Anybody know if Sessions has any type of investments in private prisons or prison supply companies? Because that is the only thing a war on drugs would be good for.

4/9/2017 10:08:32 PM

that and throwing a ton of black people in jail

4/9/2017 10:23:28 PM

Thus causing private prison stock and prison supply stock to go through the roof.

4/10/2017 9:35:22 AM

Sure wish the founder's would have made a bill of rights that plainly stated the feds can only operate in a small box clearly defined by Constitution. Oh wait.

4/10/2017 9:48:10 AM

The Core Civics (old Corrections Corp) chart is hilarious. It bottomed out at $12 after falling from $35 after the "came ar her like a bitch" tape. Then doubled in value after the Trump win.

4/10/2017 10:23:44 AM

Trump ran on America first. I don't agree with most of the things he ran on but he should definitely be criticised by his supporters for going against the things he ran on.

4/11/2017 2:44:44 AM

I'm sure if Chelsea convinced her mom to bomb Syria because feelings that no GOP congressmen would have minded.

4/11/2017 12:31:01 PM

Who knew Twitter had bolding?!

4/11/2017 12:33:42 PM

+some for basically completely flipping on every campaign position within the last eight or so hours.

Also, Bannon is more or less a non-factor at this point and that is good. The Breitbart 180 is gonna be a sight to behold.

[Edited on April 12, 2017 at 4:19 PM. Reason : X]

4/12/2017 4:14:58 PM

Brags about the Estes victory in Kansas.

Not a peep about that school shooting though.

But we'll blow 6 billion on a completely ineffective missile strike.

4/12/2017 4:20:26 PM

https://twitter.com/jdelreal/status/852277989786214400


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9Pl3BtWAAAK6Ub?format=jpg&name=large

4/12/2017 8:17:34 PM

Trump has no credibility

/thread


(but in all seriousness shit like that ^ continues to reaffirm that this guy has no fucking clue what he's talking about. ever.)

4/12/2017 8:28:48 PM

Trump is following through on his promise to bomb the shit out of ISIS - we dropped a MOAB in Afghanistan today.

4/13/2017 1:57:16 PM

http://stepfeed.com/trump-said-he-was-eating-cake-when-he-bombed-iraq-wait-he-meant-syria-9674

4/13/2017 1:58:06 PM

Interesting that there are no opinions out there on the MOAB that was dropped.

4/14/2017 8:39:17 AM

Because it's 100% a non-issue? Trump wasn't even responsible for it.

[Edited on April 14, 2017 at 8:40 AM. Reason : a]

4/14/2017 8:40:33 AM

^^ eleusis has a hard on for it, that's an opinion.

But it's a continuation of our previous policy. Nothing to really see here.

[Edited on April 14, 2017 at 8:56 AM. Reason : ]

4/14/2017 8:56:10 AM

Our previous policy is to drop the biggest non-nukes available to take out what, 36 terrorists? Our drone strikes are probably more effective.

4/14/2017 9:56:47 AM

The MOAB can also clear mines, traps, explosives, and destroy shallow tunnels. Enemy causalities aren't the only measure of success. This strike was also months in the works, Trump just happened to be in charge.

Seriously, there is no difference in this and dropping a couple JDAMs. It's 100% a non-issue.

4/14/2017 10:02:24 AM

I feel like this was both a test and a message. Message to NK to say we can fuck you up without nukes and also a test so that if they need it to clear the DMZ it'll do what it's supposed to do.

4/14/2017 10:09:23 AM

Quote :

"It's 100% a non-issue."

According to you. Whether or not we're dropping bombs, or "it's been in the works for months" isn't the issue. It's the interesting timing of both this and the strike on Syria.

"Oh fuck, this Russia thing is really picking up steam, let's bomb something!" is the message that I think both of these are sending. ESPECIALLY since Trump was so isolationist in the campaign. His ability to flip flop is breath taking, especially since both the GOP and his voters (for the most part) think it's perfectly fine.

Oh and fuck him saying it's "my military" no ass-clown, it's our military.

4/14/2017 10:49:57 AM

A bomb that has to be delivered by an AC130 doesnt send any messge at all to North Korea - they could shoot it out of the sky the minute it crossed into their borders. It's a 100% non-issue that has nothing to do with Trump and more to do with the media's desperation to create news combined with the Democrat's "theory of everything and how Trump is masterminding it all" hysteria.

4/14/2017 11:02:13 AM

who the help thinks Trump is a mastermind outside of r/The_Donald?

4/14/2017 11:51:54 AM

Quote :

"they could shoot it out of the sky the minute it crossed into their borders"

I'm pretty sure that if it came to us flying into NK airspace to drop ordinance, we're not just going to mosey over their borders with a single AC130 and drop a bomb.

4/14/2017 1:09:39 PM

^

^^

Quote :

"A bomb that has to be delivered by an AC130 doesnt send any messge at all to North Korea"

A conventional bomb with a blast radius of 1 mile absolutely sends a message. That bomb is slightly less powerful than the atom bomb dropped on Hiroshima and it costs about the same as 16 cruise missiles.

You want to easily clear the thousands of artillery pieces aimed at Seoul? You want to punch a two mile hole through the DMZ in one strike?

The MOAB is designed for large formations of armor. This type of weapon absolutely sends a message. It's the only logical reason we would have used it in Afghanistan on 30 retards with AK 47s.

4/14/2017 1:20:18 PM

Quote :

"That bomb is slightly less powerful than the atom bomb dropped on Hiroshima "

NO NO NO NO

I'm tired of the media reporting this shit, it's blatantly wrong.

The Hiroshima bomb was 15 KILOtons of TNT

MOAB is 11 tons.

There is a huge difference between the two. Literally a factor of 1000.

This thing roughly the same NEW as 20 Mk-84s,

[Edited on April 14, 2017 at 3:26 PM. Reason : a]

4/14/2017 3:24:51 PM

You are definitely right about that. Wikipedia shows the yields. My bad on that one.

4/14/2017 3:44:36 PM

The only logical reason we used it in Afghanistan is because it quickly collapsed miles of tunnels and eliminated any need to risk US personnel, and we had one at our disposal.

4/14/2017 3:50:19 PM

Quote :

"A bomb that has to be delivered by an AC130 doesnt send any messge at all to North Korea - they could shoot it out of the sky the minute it crossed into their borders."

Quote :

"I'm pretty sure that if it came to us flying into NK airspace to drop ordinance, we're not just going to mosey over their borders with a single AC130 and drop a bomb."

Yup. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic-warfare_aircraft

4/14/2017 4:18:47 PM

Quote :

"Interesting that there are no opinions out there on the MOAB that was dropped."

Here's my take:

Trump's time in the WH has been an unmitigated disaster and it's obvious he has no idea what the fuck he's doing. He can't implement any real policy because he doesn't even know how a policy comes to fruition in the first place. He's used to barking orders at people and getting his way, and if he doesn't he gets nasty and retaliates. tl; dr : he's in over his head and he's been doing 180s all over the place, and he is exceedingly unpopular and loser-like.

My gut says that Trump knows that the only way to get people to buy into his bullshit (or at least acknowledge his authority and bow to it) is to tap into the undercurrent of imperialism and nationalism in the US that got him elected in the first place. He wants a dramatic and chaotic war because it's the only chance he has to distract everyone from all of his blunders and shift the focus away from the Russia conversation. It's the only possible way he'd ever get reelected (assuming no impeachment by 2020). His aggression in the Middle East seems like an epic poker bluff to me, which is why I think it's silly to compare the IS bombing and the Syria strikes.

[Edited on April 14, 2017 at 5:37 PM. Reason : .]

4/14/2017 5:35:49 PM

Quote :

"to take out what, 36 terrorists? "

saying at least 94 now

4/15/2017 9:03:05 AM

I wonder where these numbers come from anyway? Are these extra numbers just the number of bodies being pulled out once they dig out? Is IS missing that many people? Did 36 die and 68 pass away later from injuries or were the other 68 just obliterated so bad their bodies weren't left?

4/15/2017 3:31:17 PM

They probably just now realized how many extra people from the nearby village were in the tunnels at the time.

4/16/2017 8:59:51 AM

If Obama had skipped out on church the entire rightwing media would have had a meltdown and I think middle America would have followed suit. He played these games and still couldn't get Republicans to not believe he was a secret Muslim Kenyan

4/16/2017 7:32:18 PM

why are screenshots not smart enough to turn off the blue light filter automatically?

4/17/2017 8:47:15 AM

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/local/photos-inside-look-trump-attends-church-mar-lago-easter-celebration/dkf8uFtKdvWMXjQgTQkkBM/

He did end up at a florida church

4/17/2017 11:14:06 AM

When does the swamp draining begin?

4/17/2017 11:50:13 AM

Right after missile strikes on North Korea.

4/17/2017 12:17:42 PM

Sadly a lot of those to the left of me also bought into Trump's lies hook, line and sinker

Hardly a disease relegated to one side of the ideological spectrum.

[Edited on April 17, 2017 at 12:21 PM. Reason : Line]

4/17/2017 12:20:45 PM

who to the left of you and which lies did they fall for? are you talking about that made up talking point you keep parroting that pretends like sanders supporters became trump supporters, because that isn't a real thing.

[Edited on April 17, 2017 at 12:30 PM. Reason : .]

4/17/2017 12:30:27 PM

Quote :

"Hardly a disease relegated to one side of the ideological spectrum."

http://www.people-press.org/2016/04/26/a-wider-ideological-gap-between-more-and-less-educated-adults/

4/17/2017 1:16:25 PM

^^ I may have casually mentioned that a time or two (maybe once?) but I don't think that swung the election in any significant way. Probably less so than African-Americans not showing up to vote in larger numbers. Enthusiasm gap and whatnot. Not sure why you would associate that talking point with me though I have seen it from some big Clinton supporters.

There was at least a handful of those way to the left of me on here even that were all about Trump's rhetoric on cleaning up Washington. Obviously those people didn't know much about his history and fell for it. That and Trump the Dove wasn't an all uncommon thing on twitter from some on the left as well.

Doubt they voted for him even, though.

http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=646072&page=27#16402515

This appears to be the only time I mentioned it

[Edited on April 17, 2017 at 1:27 PM. Reason : ]

4/17/2017 1:23:43 PM

who

[Edited on April 17, 2017 at 2:20 PM. Reason : this nonsense is ridiculous ]

4/17/2017 2:20:33 PM