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5/15/2013 7:40:03 PM

The Robb Stark storyline is a huge bore.

5/15/2013 8:09:01 PM

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"emilia clarke isn't a bad actress she just doesn't have any screen presence and it becomes more evident when she's supposed to be menacing."

I can't think of any scenes in which she was supposed to be menacing. Her bad-assery comes from how calm, confident, and seemingly in control she is while establishing dominance and power.

5/15/2013 8:18:45 PM

every scene where you're thinking she was exercising her "bad-assery" is where she's supposed to appear menacing. you don't have to scream like a lunatic.

5/15/2013 9:31:06 PM

Just got finished watching the last episode.....meh. I think I'd be getting bored if I hadn't read the books.

5/15/2013 9:43:24 PM

Shae is horrible, but she used to be a porn star, so what do you expect. Everyone else is fine, some are great. Emilia sucked in season 2 due to shitty writing. No one could have made "WHERE ARE MY DRAGONS" any good.

5/15/2013 9:45:13 PM

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"you don't have to scream like a lunatic."

Nor did I suggest as much to my knowledge.

I think she's coming across exactly how they want her to. There are shows/movies where a character is supposed to come across a certain way (and you know that's the intent) but the actor just doesn't sell it. I haven't really gotten that sense with her at all at any point this season. But maybe I missed something.

Can you give a specific scene as a reference? Maybe if I see it again with this in mind it will stand out more.

I think of the guy torturing Theon as being menacing in the sense that most people use the word. He's always a threat to Theon whenever he's around. And you can sense that in his actions, his tone (especially when he's not yelling), etc. As soon as he's on the screen you feel like something could happen any moment.

While she has made some threats here and there... I think they come across exactly how they're meant to. She is very matter of fact when she makes her threats. But there's not a sense that something could happen at any moment, because that's not really the case. She's telling people "do this, or I will use my assets to harm you." And when she has done so, there wasn't really a threat beforehand, she just did it somewhat unexpectedly to the viewer. For example, as a tv watcher.. I figured she was about to kill the guy who was selling her the unsullied... but it wasn't the show's intention for there to be a sense of threat in the air necessarily. So in that sense, she wasn't meant to come across as menacing.

I guess by definition she is being menacing... but by those same strict definitions, she doesn't need to be anything but threatening in order to be menacing. So I'm not really sure what it is you expect. She has an army of highly trained soldiers who are seemingly fearless, dragons, and she's telling people she will use those assets against them and their city. If you're the guy representing the city, you'd have to be an idiot to think she's not a threat (aka, a menace).

[Edited on May 16, 2013 at 12:30 AM. Reason : /]

5/16/2013 12:15:24 AM

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"emilia clarke isn't a bad actress she just doesn't have any screen presence and it becomes more evident when she's supposed to be menacing. "

No screen presence = bad actress.

5/16/2013 9:05:02 AM

except she pretty much steals every scene she's in

5/16/2013 11:36:14 AM

yes she steals it and throws it into the garbage

5/16/2013 12:15:42 PM

steals it because nobody even tries to fight for it

If Dany had any scenes with the Lannisters, it'd be more difficult for her, I'm sure

5/16/2013 12:18:04 PM

^^In that case it's weird that everyone I know loves garbage television.

5/16/2013 12:26:27 PM

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"Her bad-assery comes from how calm, confident, and seemingly in control she is while establishing dominance and power."

describes Tywin more than Dany imo.

5/16/2013 12:28:38 PM

theres a lot of garbage in this show, most notably dany's storyline and anything to do w/ the nights watch.

dany exists so they can have dragons in the story, but when the writers just hand her the ultimate army for nothing its impossible not to roll your eyes. dany just kind of hangs out and everything falls into her lap.

everything to do w/ the nights watch and the wildlings they should just skip and fast forward. i reaaaally dont care about jon snow at all. although it is nice to know how shitty the wall is if you can just climb over it in a day. also its made of ice so lolol. hopefully there aren't any large fire breathing monsters anywhere. that could be a problem!!

the writers have too many balls in the air and parts of the plot suffer because of it. consolidate that shit.

5/16/2013 12:38:01 PM

eh the only garbage storyline is Robb's

oh, Theon's is pretty repetitive and tedious

5/16/2013 12:45:19 PM

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"theres a lot of garbage in this show, most notably dany's storyline and anything to do w/ the nights watch. "

The story lines where:

1) The daughter of a former king is trekking across a country with three fire breathing dragons while building an army in order to take back her throne; AND

2) A mysterious bastard child (we really don't know who's kid he is) is going south with savages to escape Ice Cold Zombies that could take over the world...

are both garbage storylines??

Just checking to make sure I have that right.

5/16/2013 12:51:48 PM

In the general lore of Westeros, the whole idea of the wall and the Others/White Walkers is one of the things I'm most interested in.

5/16/2013 12:58:05 PM

^ Me too. It is, however, taking him forever to get around to the whole situation (battles and shit, I guess). I think it's going to be epic when it finally happens...I guess it just needs to be towards the end of the series. I imagine it's the thing that will tie all of this crazy shit together (basically...whoever is left standing after the white walkers come through will be the king).

5/16/2013 1:06:21 PM

the way I think of dany's story is the writers wizard her up, put dragons in one hand and an amry in the other and then shove her towards westeros. nothing that happens until she gets to westeros matters at all. its all speed bumps getting dragons into the main conflict.


jon snow isnt mysterious. hes like the least mysterious dude. and like a retard instead of going off for glory with his brother, he decided to go be celibate with a bunch of criminals. as with dany the goal of his arc isn't to develop his character, its to show A) how poorly defended the wall is and B) that theres zombies out there. imo the story of Caesar uniting the tribes to get over the wall would probably have been more interesting and accomplished the same, but that wouldn't really work. so instead you have boring ass idiot jon snow bumbling through the plot until something real happens and we can start ignoring him.

5/16/2013 1:06:26 PM

Who is Caesar?

5/16/2013 1:23:12 PM

^ The actor who played Mance played Caesar in HBO's Rome.

5/16/2013 1:23:53 PM

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"nothing that happens until she gets to westeros matters at all. its all speed bumps getting dragons into the main conflict."

Dany could get killed at any moment. She hasn't had many enemies yet because she hasn't had a lot of power. As she get's more powerful and more threatening she could start getting a lot of people against her. I expect her to start getting some interaction with the red priests, I think they'd like to have some part of fire breathing death machines.

Look at the coolest instances of magic we've seen so far:
1. Zombies - white walkers
2. Dragons - Dany
3. Resurection - R'Holor
4. Shadow assasian - R'Holor
5. Face change - Jaquen
6. Wildfire - Old dude/Tyrion
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8278972071894. Stupid Crow Dreams - Bran

So the fire god has two of the top five, and they are showing no signs of stopping. My bet is they use some kind of magic to take the dragons and/or kill Dany, then go fight the white walkers. It's called "A Song Of Ice And Fire", not "My Life as a Teenage Dragonlord".

5/16/2013 1:30:52 PM

^^Ohhhhhhhhh. I have that sitting around to watch eventually

[Edited on May 16, 2013 at 1:34 PM. Reason : ]

5/16/2013 1:34:25 PM

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"jon snow isnt mysterious. hes like the least mysterious dude. and like a retard instead of going off for glory with his brother, he decided to go be celibate with a bunch of criminals."

My thoughts echo this.

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"3. Resurection - R'Holor 4. Shadow assasian - R'Holor 5. Face change - Jaquen"

Who the heck is R'Holor? Or Jaquen?

5/16/2013 1:47:41 PM

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" jon snow isnt mysterious. hes like the least mysterious dude."

I meant he's mysterious because we don't know who his fucking parents are. Don't you think there's a reason Ned never told him who his mother was and why he's a main character?

5/16/2013 1:48:54 PM

^^ I'm guessing your just egging him for the misspellings?

5/16/2013 1:50:39 PM

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" It's called "A Song Of Ice And Fire""

I was going to make that argument...but then I remembered that its the title of the book series and not the TV show. I would think the TV watchers would know this...but Shaggy seems kinda dumb.

5/16/2013 1:55:54 PM

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"ygritte is doing a great job Quote : "Even though they just fucking climbed the biggest god damn structure in the whole god damn world made out of ice..." it wasn't made by men (well not by normal men)"

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"i have no problem with ygritte. the actress seems very natural in the character."

I don't have a problem with ygritte either, but its just the whole castle/windmill scene was a short attempt by the writers to give the viewer the idea that she doesn't know anything about men and civilization, a stranger in this new part of the world. It just seemed too cheap of a thrown in considering her reaction was more of an 'amazement' of what a wondrous building it is then Jon Snow's rebuttal of saying they have buildings five times the size. Seems moot after the episode of them climbing over a 700 ft structure... even if it wasn't built by men, its still a built structure.

If anything, I was expecting her first reaction of a stone structure to have been more on the lines of "is that a castle? looks a bit small"...

5/16/2013 2:11:27 PM

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"Dany could get killed at any moment"

no she cant. shes a major character whos primary purpose is to inject dragons into the primary conflict in westeros. once she gets there then maybe she can die and/or start playing a major role in the conflict, which is why I qualified my statement. theres no drama in her story until she gets to westeros so I don't really care about her.

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"Don't you think there's a reason Ned never told him who his mother was and why he's a main character?"

the reason hes a main character is because they wanted to have someone from the stark family explore beyond the wall. there are plenty of reasons ned wouldn't have told him about his mother, but none are that apparent from the show. if his mom is someone important in the books that's great but again, we're talking about the show and there hasn't been any significant development of his character in that regard. hes just another dumb bastard of which there are many. if anything what makes the most sense is ned not telling him about his mother because he didn't want to piss off his wife. from what you've posted he must be more important in the books which sounds like another wonderful deus ex machine is already on its way. oh man I hope he turns out to be a wizard!!! wouldn't that be great!!

5/16/2013 2:47:03 PM

it wouldn't be deus ex machina. But regardless, Jon's mom is unknown. That's all you need to know and it isn't a spoiler, book reader or not.

5/16/2013 2:54:47 PM

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"no she cant. shes a major character whos primary purpose is to inject dragons into the primary conflict in westeros"

That could be done by anyone, I think her purpose was definitely to create the dragons, which she inadvertantely did through magic by burning the witch, khal drogo, her child, the eggs and herself. Anyone could take those dragons and bring them to westeros. Additionally the dragons could end up being a meaningless add on, like the direwolves have been. There are an unlimited number of ways that this could play out, and I think you're being naive if you think you know.

5/16/2013 3:34:29 PM

^^^
It really surprises me as a casual viewer of the show (havent read a page of the books) that your take on Jon Snow is so .... negative?

This is a character that could bring together the wildlings with Westeros to fight the imminent threat that is the White Walkers. Because of his bloodline, he is valuable to all men who are separated by the wall. Bring in the fact that Dany is building an army and has fire breathing dragons (fire is the element that appears to harm the White Walkers) and winter is coming.. Jon Snow is absolutely critical to the story line they are building (as I see it). I get that he can be emo, and lack acting skills or whatever you beef is with him, but I think he is a boss. I cant wait for the inevitable showdown between wildlings and everyone south of the wall, and the role he will play to possibly bridge the 2 cultures. Afterall, now that he is in love, he has a reason to step up and try to protect both from the other. The blood of Stark holds obvious weight with both camps...

The only question is if Dany and the dragons will get to Westeros before, during, or after the Winter. Once winter comes, it will men vs. zombie not man vs. man. I hate to think they will throw that curveball as soon as we are about to get a showdown between families (Lannisters/Starks) or regions (Wildlings/Westeros) or the winner of either of those potential conflicts with Dany and the Dragons...You just know as soon as they are about to square off they will have to all unite to avoid imminent death...But that is all speculation from my perspective.

Whatever way it plays out, I have total faith in this show and storyline. So far so great. Not perfect, but for 6 million bucks a show, they are giving me something to think about in between Sundays that's for sure.

Also, Kingslayer is pimp. "Sorry about the Sapphires..."

5/16/2013 4:54:36 PM

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"the way I think of dany's story is the writers wizard her up, put dragons in one hand and an amry in the other and then shove her towards westeros."

Come on.

Her character has developed and organically grown a ton since S01E01.

It's not the cheap writing you're making it out to be.

[Edited on May 16, 2013 at 5:01 PM. Reason : .]

5/16/2013 4:59:48 PM

HATERS GONNA HATE!

5/16/2013 5:21:06 PM

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"If Dany had any scenes with the Lannisters, it'd be more difficult for her, I'm sure"

I can agree with that, I think the Lannisters consist of the best actors on the show probably.

5/16/2013 7:18:03 PM

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"Anyone could take those dragons and bring them to westeros. Additionally the dragons could end up being a meaningless add on, like the direwolves have been. There are an unlimited number of ways that this could play out, and I think you're being naive if you think you know."

dany's shtick is "the mother of dragons". maybe those guys from qarth who cant stop chewing pens could tame the dragons eventually, but not fast enough to send them to westeros (nor would they have any reason to send them there). shes the only one we know of that has a connection to the dragons AND wants to bring them to westeros. I mean sure they could pull somsone magical out of a hat and have them do it, but why? they would also need a reason to go to westeros with the dragons and dany already fulfills that requirement.

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"Her character has developed and organically grown a ton since S01E01."

she went from not caring about anything to desiring the iron throne, which is ok I guess, but it wasn't really natural. she basically gets all the tools she needs to accomplish the task thrust upon her by the writers. aside from lighting herself on fire she really hasn't done much. kar dargo and her brother move the plot thru season 1. in season 2 the council of qarth move the plot along until they steal the dragons and then the dragons escape on their own. also i still think they allowed the dragons to escape cause holy lol was that scene so fucking lame "hmm better stand right in front of this captive fire breathing thing. theres no way its gonna light me, a magic user well versed in the histories of these beasts, on fire!!"

so again, she just kind of hangs out and stuff happens to her and she moves on. its not really character development if she doesn't have any effect on what happens to her.

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"^^^ It really surprises me as a casual viewer of the show (havent read a page of the books) that your take on Jon Snow is so .... negative? This is a character that could bring together the wildlings with Westeros to fight the imminent threat that is the White Walkers. Because of his bloodline, he is valuable to all men who are separated by the wall. Bring in the fact that Dany is building an army and has fire breathing dragons (fire is the element that appears to harm the White Walkers) and winter is coming.. Jon Snow is absolutely critical to the story line they are building (as I see it). I get that he can be emo, and lack acting skills or whatever you beef is with him, but I think he is a boss. I cant wait for the inevitable showdown between wildlings and everyone south of the wall, and the role he will play to possibly bridge the 2 cultures. Afterall, now that he is in love, he has a reason to step up and try to protect both from the other. The blood of Stark holds obvious weight with both camps... The only question is if Dany and the dragons will get to Westeros before, during, or after the Winter. Once winter comes, it will men vs. zombie not man vs. man. I hate to think they will throw that curveball as soon as we are about to get a showdown between families (Lannisters/Starks) or regions (Wildlings/Westeros) or the winner of either of those potential conflicts with Dany and the Dragons...You just know as soon as they are about to square off they will have to all unite to avoid imminent death...But that is all speculation from my perspective. Whatever way it plays out, I have total faith in this show and storyline. So far so great. Not perfect, but for 6 million bucks a show, they are giving me something to think about in between Sundays that's for sure. Also, Kingslayer is pimp. "Sorry about the Sapphires...""

jon snow is an idiot. the wildings laugh at him cause he knows nothing and no one south of the wall save maybe robb would ever give a shit about who he is cause hes a dumb bastard. certainly not anyone way down south. hes not a leader, but they already killed off the leader of the crows so im sure they'll find some way to kill Caesar and then jon will be in charge of the wall at which point maybe he becomes interesting. idk. but i don't really care about what happens to him in the least.


i mean obviously the drama comes from the war over the throne distracting everyone from the resurgence of the walkers, and of course the dragons are gonna come in and fight them at some point, but my complaint is that in this time constrained episodic format where we already have tons of actually interesting stories and characters, the stories of jon and dany are the most expendable.

[Edited on May 17, 2013 at 1:06 PM. Reason : a]

5/17/2013 1:06:00 PM

summer is coming.

5/17/2013 1:12:44 PM

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"she went from not caring about anything to desiring the iron throne, which is ok I guess, but it wasn't really natural. she basically gets all the tools she needs to accomplish the task thrust upon her by the writers. aside from lighting herself on fire she really hasn't done much. kar dargo and her brother move the plot thru season 1. in season 2 the council of qarth move the plot along until they steal the dragons and then the dragons escape on their own. also i still think they allowed the dragons to escape cause holy lol was that scene so fucking lame "hmm better stand right in front of this captive fire breathing thing. theres no way its gonna light me, a magic user well versed in the histories of these beasts, on fire!!" so again, she just kind of hangs out and stuff happens to her and she moves on. its not really character development if she doesn't have any effect on what happens to her."

For starters, she was hardened by all the shit that happened to her/things she had to deal with.

It's like you require a Rocky workout montage

[Edited on May 17, 2013 at 1:33 PM. Reason : ;]

5/17/2013 1:22:41 PM

you gotta have a weird, anti-Dany bias to not see any character development at all

5/17/2013 1:34:16 PM

srsly, she is da bomb

[Edited on May 17, 2013 at 1:41 PM. Reason : i realize that comment was not constructive at all, but whatevs]

5/17/2013 1:41:08 PM

I think we'll find out that Jon Snow is the rightful heir to the throne.

And for the folks watching the show, complaining about "the writers" remember "the writers" are primarily George R.R. Martin. I'm not saying that he's writing the scripts for the actors, but the actual writers can't stray too far from their source material, or they'll lose their fanboys.

5/18/2013 7:28:52 PM

Do you honestly believe any of that? I'm not trying to be a dick, but think about this a little.

This is HBO... they did not green-light this show depending on fanboys. They took it to production because they believed it could garner viewers on its own merits. During season three, it's had 4.2 - 5.5 MILLION viewers per episode and is in the top of cable viewership every single week it airs.

You think they're depending on fanboys of the novels (pre-show) to carry this television show? I'd be curious to see how many copies of the novels have sold BECAUSE of the show. Of all the people I know who watch this show, not a single one read the books before the show started.


the writers are the writers of the show... period. The story is by George R.R. Martin. They are not worried about losing fanboys by straying from the books. At least, they have no reason to be worried of such based on the numbers. And if nothing else, have some respect for the writers in that writing a screen play is not the same as writing a novel. It's different writing with different purpose. There's a reason they're credited as the writers on the show.

[Edited on May 18, 2013 at 8:00 PM. Reason : /]

5/18/2013 7:58:12 PM

dude relax

5/18/2013 8:20:47 PM

I think we just found a closet fanboy

5/18/2013 9:39:37 PM

For all of the hating on "boring storylines" and "bad acting".....i'd like to know what shows you like to watch. Unless you say breaking bad, you probably dont know what the fuck you are talking about and should just relax and enjoy the best hour of tv every week

5/18/2013 10:39:10 PM

Jon snow would never me the rightful heir to the throne, no matter whose bastard he is

[Edited on May 18, 2013 at 10:39 PM. Reason : .]

5/18/2013 10:39:14 PM

^Probably needs taken into the book thread, but the theory is that he's not a bastard.

5/19/2013 8:39:28 AM

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"For all of the hating on "boring storylines" and "bad acting".....i'd like to know what shows you like to watch. Unless you say breaking bad, you probably dont know what the fuck you are talking about and should just relax and enjoy the best hour of tv every week"

Take note people. If a storyline bores you or some bad acting makes you cringe just keep it to yourself. Since you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Only discuss positives ITT

[Edited on May 19, 2013 at 11:09 AM. Reason : .]

5/19/2013 11:09:36 AM

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"Jon snow would never me the rightful heir to the throne, no matter whose bastard he is"

What if he's the son of Robert and Ned's sister? I don't know how likely that is, but I seem to recall from the first season that Robert and Ned's sister were linked. Would he be legitimate under those circumstances?

5/19/2013 1:20:45 PM

Yea, I think we'll find out that he's not a bastard

5/19/2013 1:23:36 PM