4/22/2012 7:04:37 AM

I wonder if he ate all of the Skittles immediately beforehand or just put them in a baggy for later.

4/22/2012 11:55:11 AM

he was late because he had to eat the skittles first

4/22/2012 12:14:03 PM

^^^That is a tasty looking mask.

[Edited on April 22, 2012 at 12:16 PM. Reason : .]

4/22/2012 12:16:21 PM

why is the arizona iced tea the crux of the story here?

4/22/2012 12:54:17 PM

i can concede that zimmerman didn't intend for trayvon to die but the fact of the matter is zimmerman is a real life example of an internet tough guy. he is the type of guy that preaches second amendment rights, wants to have concealed carry and feels like he can take charge of a situation when need be BUT as soon as he tries to and the scenario doesn't play out like he contrived in his head he turns into a scared bitch and pulls for his gun in panic, not knowing what else to do.

that should be the real narrative here. either way, the guy should be in jail

4/22/2012 2:22:50 PM

He shouldn't be in jail if he didn't commit a crime. Florida hasn't determined that yet, and until his trial, he will be enjoying a little more freedom.

4/22/2012 3:56:18 PM

Quote :

"The prosecution has no evidence who started the fight."

they don't need that evidence. For the 1000th time, google "affirmative defense." hell, I'll do it for you.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=affirmative+defense
All the prosecution has to do is prove that Zimmerman shot Trayvon. Then, it's up to Zimmerman to prove that it was actually self-defense. That's right, ZIMMERMAN has to PROVE that it was self-defense. I don't understand why you can't grasp this fact.

Quote :

"Not illegal, doesn't matter."

it might not be illegal, but if you can show that his actions directly and irrevocably caused the situation, that might matter. not being illegal isn't the end-all be-all that you believe it to be.

4/22/2012 4:40:33 PM

I get what you are saying, however.

There are two critical aspects of this case, that the lead investigator admitted under oath, that there is no evidence of.

Who started the fight.

And that Zimmerman kept following Trayvon when the 911 dispatcher asked him not to.

Those two things are THE MOST IMPORTANT parts of this case legally.


I get that Zimmerman has to "prove" it was self defense, but, and I asked this before, there is obviously no evidence to support whether it was or wasn't self defense, so given that, what happens when there is basically no evidence either way? I wouldn't think that the guy just automatically gets convicted.

At this point, I'd say there is more to support Zimmerman's claim of self defense, than not. Especially if that picture of the bloody head is/was actually his, and one person who says they witnessed Trayvon on top of Zimmerman beating him, actually takes the stand and testifies to that.

It seems at this point, all the prosecution has is

"We don't believe you, but we also have no evidence to disprove your claims"

4/22/2012 6:34:53 PM

you must live in an alternate universe where the prosecution discloses their entire case during the bond hearing

are you one of those websleuths retards?

4/22/2012 7:50:30 PM

The Verdict is all I want to hear about. Any of this 'other talk' is straight up bullshit.

4/22/2012 7:57:24 PM

^^^ At least one part of the trial will be Martin's girlfriend's word versus Zimmerman's. No, it didn't have to be, but the account of the encounter that Zimmerman already gave directly contradicts what her claims are. It might not be the trial-deciding element, but it was already apparent that one of them isn't telling the truth. That's where it starts, the trial will get more and more dirty from there.

[Edited on April 22, 2012 at 7:58 PM. Reason : ]

4/22/2012 7:58:37 PM

Quote :

"you must live in an alternate universe where the prosecution discloses their entire case during the bond hearing "

Well, when under oath, the lead investigator who has been handling the case, testifies UNDER OATH that there is no evidence to suggest who started the fight and no evidence to discount Zimmerman's claim that he didn't follow Martin after told not too, that is basically their entire case.

Lets just ignore the fact that the only reason Zimmerman was arrested because in his affidavit, he stated that Zimmerman chased then started the altercation. Now we learn that they have no evidence to even support this. So in fact, the guy shouldn't have even been arrested.

They can't argue that Zimmerman chased after him, because they have no evidence to support this.

They also can't say that Zimmerman confronted Martin, because they have no evidence to support this either.

So while it's not their ENTIRE case, it might as well be.

Quote :

"At least one part of the trial will be Martin's girlfriend's word versus Zimmerman's."

Without any evidence, which they admit they don't have, at that point it's just a he said she said.

And people don't get convicted of 2nd degree murder on a "he said she said"



[Edited on April 22, 2012 at 8:42 PM. Reason : .]

4/22/2012 8:35:53 PM

but are you one of those websleuths retards?

4/22/2012 8:46:06 PM

No, I watched the bail hearing on my TV set top box.

4/22/2012 8:46:42 PM

Quote :

"And people don't get convicted of 2nd degree murder on a "he said she said""

I wish.

4/22/2012 8:48:38 PM

Ok, 99% of the time.

And never in a high profile case.

There.

4/22/2012 8:49:48 PM

Tell that to Brad Cooper.

4/22/2012 8:52:23 PM

Yes, because the only evidence they had in that case was someone saying that he murdered his wife.

4/22/2012 8:55:42 PM

Pretty much yeah. Detective Daniels testified "That's what's unique about this case, there's no evidence."

But, I won't threadjack to discuss that, when there's a thread devoted entirely to that topic.

4/22/2012 8:57:01 PM

Yeah none of that computer evidence came into play at all.

4/22/2012 8:58:28 PM

You mean the computer evidence that was tampered with? Yep, that's reliable.

4/22/2012 8:59:15 PM

Either way.

Whatever the GF testifies to, even if she does, won't be enough to convict Zimmerman of anything if there is no evidence to support any of it.

She will get ripped to shreds by the defense if she ever takes the stand.

4/22/2012 9:00:43 PM

http://www.wwaytv3.com/2012/04/18/fbis-civil-rights-unit-probes-chadbourn-shooting-death

This case may have already been posted, but it isnt getting a whole lot of attention. The reason I'm posting it is because this case looks more suited for NAACP than the martin case...

4/22/2012 10:28:59 PM

Quote :

"that there is no evidence of. Who started the fight. "

"There is no evidence that Trayvon Martin started the fight"

"There is no evidence that George Zimmerman started the fight"

4/22/2012 10:47:02 PM

Quote :

"This case may have already been posted, but it isnt getting a whole lot of attention. The reason I'm posting it is because this case looks more suited for NAACP than the martin case..."

Based on what? A gun that has had issues with firing without pulling the trigger was involved in an accident. What? Is the NAACP going to claim the rifle or bullet was racist or the guy who owned the gun. The most interesting thing about the story is how dude shot all three with one bullet. He's like a racist Chuck Norris.

4/22/2012 10:58:44 PM

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/maryland-brothers-accused-beating-black-teenager-neighborhood-watch-patrol-trial-trayvon-martin-case-article-1.1065727

Quote :

"Eliyahu and Avi Werdesheim are accused of beating a 15-year-old boy who was walking through a Baltimore neighborhood in November 2010. The brothers pulled up next to the teen in a vehicle, then got out and "surrounded him," according to charging documents. The passenger threw the teen to the ground and the driver hit him in the head with a hand-held radio and patted him down. The teen remembered the driver yelling, "You wanna (mess) with us, you don't belong around here, get outta here!" according to court documents, which do not identify which brother was driving. "

[Edited on April 22, 2012 at 11:51 PM. Reason : ]

4/22/2012 11:50:15 PM

^^i hear what your saying lasersoup, it just seemed like a case Jessie and al would pick up. I don't know, it just sounded funny to me to be accidental, but I know that's tough to dispute. Supposedly, there was white supremists material found in that guys house..but, that info could have been drummed up by the family wanting justice.

4/23/2012 1:03:46 AM

Zimmerman released on bond

http://us.cnn.com/2012/04/23/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

4/23/2012 7:17:12 AM

Apparently Zimmerman while on bail

has a 7pm to 6am curfew
Cant have any guns
Had to surrender his passport
Has a lojack



Out or curiosity, because I couldn't listen to his bail hearing myself, did the existance of his donation-soliciting website come up as a factor in setting his bail price?

[Edited on April 23, 2012 at 9:13 AM. Reason : J]

4/23/2012 9:12:41 AM

4/23/2012 9:32:02 AM

^^Can't have any guns? Safe to carry skittles once more.

4/23/2012 9:47:51 AM

mr joshua sighting on Golo. Same one as here?

If so, how do you have the patience to converse with those lunatics?

[Edited on April 23, 2012 at 11:09 AM. Reason : X]

4/23/2012 11:09:12 AM

negative

4/23/2012 12:47:15 PM

OH SNAP! THE POLICE CHEIF IS TO RESIGN!!1

http://us.cnn.com/2012/04/23/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

4/23/2012 3:16:20 PM

4/23/2012 3:21:00 PM

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-23/news/os-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-released-bail-20120423_1_bond-statement-electronic-monitoring-device

Some files unsealed, apparently.


Most interesting from that article:

-Prosecutors didn't want Zimmerman to be able to wear a suit or plain clothes during his bond hearing
(obviously to make him look "Guilty" to the cameras. The judge relaxed this)
-Judge insisted that Zimmerman wear shackles
-The judge described wdprice3's demeanor as "scrumptious and effeminate"

4/23/2012 5:08:55 PM

Usually they take the cuffs off for court I thought unless you are dangerous.

4/23/2012 5:40:15 PM

^ wrong

4/23/2012 5:58:09 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/23/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

OH DOUBLE SNIZZY SNAP!!!1ONE

The city of Sanford has REJECTED the police chiefs resignation!!!!

4/23/2012 6:15:23 PM

Quote :

"I get that Zimmerman has to "prove" it was self defense, but, and I asked this before, there is obviously no evidence to support whether it was or wasn't self defense, so given that, what happens when there is basically no evidence either way? I wouldn't think that the guy just automatically gets convicted. "

Well, if the rest of the evidence shows that he is guilty of the original charge, and he can't prove self-defense, then, well, yeah,. he gets convicted. That's what an "affirmative defense" is. In order to claim self-defense, Zimmerman must first admit that the prosecution's allegation that he killed Trayvon is true. Now, I don't think they can or will prove murder-2. But they can easily prove manslaughter, especially if Zimmerman says "yeah, I killed him." For the record, I think manslaughter is the proper charge.

Quote :

"And people don't get convicted of 2nd degree murder on a "he said she said""

Brad Cooper begs to differ, lol.

Quote :

"They can't argue that Zimmerman chased after him, because they have no evidence to support this. They also can't say that Zimmerman confronted Martin, because they have no evidence to support this either. So while it's not their ENTIRE case, it might as well be. "

But, if Zimmerman can't also PROVE that his version of events is true to any degree of reason, then it doesn't matter what the prosecution can prove. They proved that he killed the guy, and the verdict then becomes that he killed the guy in a manner that wasn't self-defense.

4/23/2012 10:05:25 PM

^ Too bad he doesn't have any wounds to show that he was being beaten. Oh wait...

4/23/2012 10:40:26 PM

zimmerman in hiding:

4/23/2012 11:59:56 PM

Quote :

"The city of Sanford has REJECTED the police chiefs resignation!!!!"

lol

I want to quit.
You can't.
Whelp, I guess I'll just bring a hammock to my office and play xbox from now until the time I retire.

More like:
Hey, I know a way we can appease the people that want to fire you. You resign... but we'll reject it.

[Edited on April 24, 2012 at 8:01 AM. Reason : -]

4/24/2012 7:56:34 AM

I don't think rejecting someone's resignation is going to appease people that want him fired since that's basically NOT firing him.

4/24/2012 4:47:00 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/neighbors-face-charges-for-pointing-guns-at-new-homebuyers-who-were-changing-locks-on-house/2012/04/24/gIQAq78FeT_story.html

Quote :

" Jean-Joseph Kalonji, 61, and his 57-year-old wife, Angelica, following their real estate agent's advice, had driven to Porterdale to change the locks on the home their son Bruno Kalonji had just purchased.They found themselves prisoners of two men they didn't know clutching semi-automatic rifles. "Shut up or I'll shoot," Canoles allegedly told the couple after they tried to explain that their son now owned the modest home sitting on 11 acres."

4/24/2012 10:35:37 PM

If they just went ahead and killed them they wouldn't be facing any charges.

Edit: Just read the article:

Quote :

"...Newton County sheriff’s deputies initially praised 45-year-old Robert Canoles and his son, 18-year-old Branden, for their actions."

Now my original comment isn't so trolltastic.

[Edited on April 25, 2012 at 8:06 AM. Reason : -]

4/25/2012 8:01:54 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2134340/Thats-justice-Trayvon-Angry-mob-beats-man-telling-stop-playing-basketball--sister-claims-racist-revenge-attack-gunned-teen.html

Justice for Trayvon

4/25/2012 8:17:14 AM

Eh... If true, would have been justified in sending every last one of them to the trauma center the second they came on his property and threatened him.


I don't really see the point of that daily mail article as it relates to this thread. Plz explain?

4/25/2012 8:27:34 AM

Justice for Trayvon

4/25/2012 8:34:28 AM