Relax. Its high school. 16-19 year olds are old enough to filter out my crazy.

12/30/2014 12:28:20 PM

Here's is The E Man's team, fwiw.

http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/jones-senior-trojans-(trenton,nc)/basketball/schedule.htm

12/30/2014 12:36:57 PM

0-12 so far this year. ouch.

12/30/2014 12:38:32 PM

ya know who else started 0-12? dave doeren

it's not his fault the first 12 games of the season were against the 12 of the best teams.

12/30/2014 12:44:54 PM

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/doeren-there-has-been-a-lot-of-progress/14376125/

1/22/2015 9:33:16 AM

Quote :

"I’m a blue-collar guy, but I’m also a guy that was a 3.8 student in biology that values education."

ah, the education dig. love this guy.

1/22/2015 9:39:18 AM

He'll never achieve the subtle elegance in trolling that TOB had, but who gives a shit as long as the program elevates.

1/22/2015 10:27:08 AM

I really enjoyed that interview

1/25/2015 9:36:21 AM

definitely + cred for getting frasier to flip from FSU.

Alabama type talent that was promised in his intro press conference. lol

1/25/2015 9:47:41 AM

+ credibility for keeping all these kids in state too

We're becoming the legit destination for big time NC recruits

1/25/2015 9:50:02 AM

Just from Page 52

Quote :

"As a co-leader of the Sidney Sunshine Squad The Doeren Dickriders are delusional There comes a time when you have to admit that the coach sucks We can all hope that he turns it around, but I don't understand what he's done to deserve how blindly some defend him. I mean, even shitty Sidney Lowe beat UNC his first year. TOB consistently beat UNC and won a couple conference games each year. Doeren "saves his career" by beating Syracuse...in football."

- TT

Quote :

"t should be obvious by now that this dude doesn't even football. Doeren will never out-recruit FSU or Clemson. So he will never have more talent than they will. This means he will have to -at some point- outclass them from the sidelines with inferior talent if he wants to win the Atlantic division (because that's why we hired him, right?). He's already shown in 2 seasons that he won't be able to do that. And food for thought. After this Saturday, he will have coached just as many games as the NC State head coach as he did for Northern Illinois. Dude's a bust."

JesusHChrist

Quote :

"If we could recruit at almost anyones level I would be happy. We had 1-2 (depending on who you got your stats from) 4 stars. How do you only get that if you're supposed to be rebuilding a program? Even Marshall and WF can get four stars. The recruits this year look even worse, so unless if DD has something hidden then we aren't looking at good rebuilding classes from DD.."

Wolfpack2017

1/25/2015 1:22:08 PM

Shots fired

1/25/2015 1:25:32 PM

1/25/2015 1:27:03 PM

I liked the hire when Yow made it but I'm still baffled by the first season. I wasn't expecting us to be good or even average but some of the decisions were mind boggling. None of it matters now. He's got us on the right track.

1/25/2015 2:16:49 PM

^ yeah, i agree with that. i've been optimistic about DD from the get go, but some of his decisions were very strange. looking back, i kinda wonder if he knew how bad our talent was and figured he had to gamble some to win. he showed this year that he could adjust, given how little (if any) we ran the wildcat after the first few weeks.

1/25/2015 2:28:15 PM

last two posts sum my opinion up as well.

1/25/2015 2:30:50 PM

those users quoted above have no doubt changed their tunes, but i'm sure HCH probably still thinks we'd be better of with TOB.

[Edited on January 25, 2015 at 2:31 PM. Reason : ]

1/25/2015 2:31:09 PM

[Edited on January 25, 2015 at 9:26 PM. Reason : wrong thread]

1/25/2015 9:25:39 PM

I'm disappointed I didn't get quoted.

1/25/2015 9:27:55 PM

Looking back on season 1 and realizing we did not have a D1 quality QB, my memories of that season are less jaded. Next year will be the real test as most of the TOB leftovers will be gone and we have a shot at 8-9 wins. Fulfilling expectations continues to be the downfall of every NC State coach and pretty much any coach anywhere other than Herb at ASU.

1/25/2015 9:29:26 PM

I kinda feel like since he knew we sucked year 1, he just did random shit to see what would work.

1/25/2015 9:32:27 PM

Idk, hard to make sense of the kickoff timeout

1/25/2015 10:17:21 PM

Quote :

"Looking back on season 1 and realizing we did not have a D1 quality QB"

Come on, people. DD called it the "year without Jacoby" even before it started. That was him flat out telling us not to expect much and we'll be good next year. And look at that, he was right.

What else were you expecting from season 1?

1/26/2015 12:50:05 AM

I forgot that Brandon Mitchell was a person

1/26/2015 3:07:41 AM

He did the only thing he could really do that first season when we knew we didn't have a QB...he played as many of his guys and weeded out a bunch of TOB's guys.

We were going to be horrible, why not just start playing all the youngest guys on the teams and build for the future? Seems to be working, setting up really nicely if McClendon can live up to the hype.

1/26/2015 9:09:32 AM

http://www.statefansnation.com/2015/01/fantastic-dave-doeren-interview-contrast-styles-larry-fedora/

1/26/2015 2:41:16 PM

Our QBs last year were so fucking bad. It's amazing we won the few games we did (and were somehow in a few of the other games until the end).

We were playing a different system, with bad QBs, and a pretty severe lack of talent from TOB's dwindling recruiting. Last year was just a shit-storm of problems that led to that record. He made some questionable coaching decisions, but I truly believe he was in, "I will try anything to get a first down" mode.

1/26/2015 2:52:10 PM

Quote :

"dk, hard to make sense of the kickoff timeout"

1/26/2015 2:58:33 PM

Quote :

"Come on, people. DD called it the "year without Jacoby" even before it started"

Yeah and at the same time we were coming off five seasons of Wilson and Glennon which was the one thing TOB and Bible seemed to do well (develop their QBs). Thomas was a guy they liked and he had D1 experience at Colorado State. Plus Mitchell was good enough to be recruited to Arkansas so I at least thought he had talent. There was a reason some of us expected more.

Unfortunately Mitchell got hurt and looked like shit when he came back and Thomas just played like a scared high school kid all the time. It also did not help that neither guy had any accuracy.

Oh well looking forward to next year and the young talent mixing with the experienced guys.




[Edited on January 26, 2015 at 5:15 PM. Reason : t]

1/26/2015 5:14:41 PM

Quote :

"Plus Mitchell was good enough to be recruited to Arkansas so I at least thought he had talent "

He was good enough to be a wr at Arkansas, not a starting qb. It's why he left.

1/26/2015 7:10:37 PM

Quote :

"What else were you expecting from season 1?"

To not have our worst season ever?

Loved DD when we hired him, hated him after year one, and feel slightly optimistic now going forward. The Clemson, GT, and BC games this year were brutal and still fresh on the mind.

1/26/2015 9:34:50 PM

Definitely wasn't the worst ever. And I'm just saying I think it was silly how many people were ready to ditch him after just one season. I don't think we're going to seriously compete with Florida St and Clemson every year, but once we get the right recruits up to full strength and experience DD at least gives us a shot.

1/26/2015 11:11:40 PM

He went an unprecedented 0-8 in conference his first season. Of course people aren't going to be optimistic after that kind of season. Our fans freak out if we miss a 3 pointer.

1/27/2015 12:21:08 AM

http://www.gopack.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/012615aaa.html

I like this a ton!

1/27/2015 2:03:58 AM

I like your posts a none!

1/27/2015 3:28:17 PM

Quote :

"He went an unprecedented 0-8 in conference his first season. Of course people aren't going to be optimistic after that kind of season. Our fans freak out if we miss a 3 pointer."

Yea with a team that had arguably the least amount of talent of any team we've had in 25 years. There is nothing that makes me think that TOB wouldn't have done the same thing and we would've been worse off in 2014

1/27/2015 4:34:34 PM

Well, the way we finished this season as well as some of the recruits we landed recently should give people hope moving forward. But lack of talent or not, 0-8 is going to naturally turn people off to what he can do in the future until he shows us something better (which he did). Any fanbase would be livid over a winless conference record, let alone our fanbase.

1/27/2015 4:37:14 PM

I agree, we are fairly delusional

1/27/2015 4:51:55 PM

extended to 2019 @ $2.2M per according to McMurphy

pretty typical - gives him recruiting pitch of "I'm under contract through your senior year even if you redshirt" and a 10% raise

2/20/2015 11:29:31 AM

nice recruiting pull, but let's not bet the farm yet

2/20/2015 1:36:17 PM

Dude is 3-13 in the ACC and just got a $400,000 raise and extension.

I like where it looks we are currently headed, but damn this better work out.

2/20/2015 1:37:42 PM

Stats, like bikinis, fail to tell the whole story

2/20/2015 1:49:05 PM

im not sure about the 2 year extension

if he's good: still not enough to prevent the SEC from buying him out

if he's bad: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/acc/2014/11/26/college-football-virginia-mike-london-return-2015-craig-littlepaige/19546397/

I wouldve rather waited til midway through next year and given him an enormous extension if things looked good.

I do like the incentives that are thrown in and Yow probably knows more than my dumb ass about how likely he is to leave with another big year or two, though.

2/20/2015 2:27:37 PM

Anything less than 8-4 next year will make this look like a pretty bad deal.

2/20/2015 2:37:50 PM

I guess I trust that Yow knows what she's doing, but this makes no sense to me at all.

2/21/2015 7:36:32 AM

If you only take into consideration two years of on-field results, which is all some people care about, then yeah it doesn't make a ton of sense.

IMO if you also consider how much he turned the team around this past year, what he's done with recruiting, how this helps us with future recruiting, how it makes him harder to poach away from NCSU, and how it helps give the rest of the football staff a little security, this is easier to understand.

There are still 44 P5 coaches being paid more than him, so it's not exactly like we're breaking the bank for DD.

Link to New Contract Details: http://northcarolinastate.scout.com/story/1519397-incentives-could-enhance-doeren-s-contract?s=178

[Edited on February 21, 2015 at 8:07 AM. Reason : link]

2/21/2015 7:57:57 AM

yeah the two main motivations in this I believe are 1) if we have a great year next year and his contract hadnt been touched he'd be gone because the buyout would be small and 2) 1.8m is relatively cheap in today's market

it's odd for me that we wait until after the recruiting season to do this, though. TOB nightmare aside, pulling in ~30 ranked classes doesnt mean much to me until theyre on field. see: unc for the last 10 years, and that's with guys who didnt have to go to class

2/21/2015 10:18:53 AM

I'm really excited about this move that Yow made. He has the potential to do something good here.

Also, I don't see why anyone would want to poach him. He hasn't done anything impressive enough to poach him and there are plenty quality coaches with a better resume.

2/21/2015 12:22:10 PM

Quote :

"Also, I don't see why anyone would want to poach him. He hasn't done anything impressive enough to poach him and there are plenty quality coaches with a better resume."

2/21/2015 2:07:42 PM

No players drafted in round 1.

5/1/2015 12:29:07 PM