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joe_schmoe
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the McCain/Palin campaign continually tells the U.S. voters that Obama is a terrorist who hates America and if he's elected he will destroy the country.

now the McCain crowds go rabid and start to call for the death of the "arab"... and John McCain finally gets some sense about him and cuts off yet another lunatic at one of his town halls...

and guess what? his supporters BOO HIM.

that's right: John McCain supporters boo John McCain at a John McCain rally. for finally having the balls to tell the truth.... he has to have his own volunteers start chanting "USA" and "John McCain" in order to drown out his increasingly violent and angry mobs

yeaaaahhhhh....

this shit's going to get away from him, if he doesnt act decisively, and be quick about it.

face it, people. his campaign is irretrievably broken: it's in the trashcan. all he can do now, is salvage his personal integrity.







[Edited on October 10, 2008 at 10:31 PM. Reason : hey, look! my post is a Palindrome]

10/10/2008 10:27:36 PM

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go to about 2:35

10/10/2008 10:32:41 PM

Boone
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Man, McCain was embarrassed as crap in that video.

He's become the thing he hates.

10/10/2008 10:37:28 PM

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Are you *fucking* crazy? How can anyone support this behavior? "


nice strawman...nobody is supporting this

10/10/2008 10:39:16 PM

agentlion
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1) that's not a strawman
2) you certainly don't seem to be bothered by it

10/10/2008 10:41:35 PM

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its is a strawman and as usual, to make yourself feel stronger about your points, you put words in peoples mouths

who the fuck said they supported people in the crowds yelling stuff about obama being a terrorist?

10/10/2008 10:46:30 PM

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http://download2.legis.state.ak.us/DOWNLOAD.pdf

10/10/2008 10:49:31 PM

skokiaan
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Mccain is clearly conflicted. He doesn't really want to Karl Rove the remaining weeks, but everyone in his ear is telling him it's the only way.

The problem is that this makes his campaign look ridiculously disorganized and doesn't inspire confidence. He doesn't have "institutional control" over his own campaign.

One big problem is that he never out-Obamaed Obama -- that is, paint an cogent, inspiring picture of what he wanted to do with his presidency. You have to beat your opponent on his strength to win. They clearly recognized this strategy by playing up the maverick angle, but they never hit home a message about change on a fundamental, grand scale.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, Obama beat mccain on his advantage -- competency -- by somehow becoming the economics candidate. He also forced a draws in two debates with someone with 25 years more experience.

10/10/2008 11:03:37 PM

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I'm in a better mood now that I'm drinking

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10/10/2008 11:07:47 PM

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"Wow. I have to hand it to McCain...he FINALLY steps in with decency after what was starting to become something scary. I hope it isn't too late."


See, that's John McCain I used to like. About time he showed back up.

10/10/2008 11:19:12 PM

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that video says it all. how does it feel to reap what you've sown McCain?

10/10/2008 11:49:45 PM

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Oops, looks like she was corrupt:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/11/us/politics/11trooper.html?ref=us

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"Gov. Sarah Palin abused the powers of her office by pressuring subordinates to try to get her former brother-in-law, a state trooper, fired, an investigation by the Alaska Legislature has concluded. The inquiry found, however, that she was within her right to dismiss her public safety commissioner, Walt Monegan, who was the trooper’s boss.

A 263-page report released Friday by lawmakers in Alaska found that Ms. Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, had herself exerted pressure to get Trooper Michael Wooten dismissed, as well as allowed her husband and subordinates to press for his firing, largely as a result of his temperament and past disciplinary problems.

“Such impermissible and repeated contacts,” the report states, “create conflicts of interests for subordinate employees who must choose to either please a superior or run the risk of facing that superior’s displeasure and the possible consequences of that displeasure.” The report concludes that the action was a violation of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.

What now lies ahead is not fully known at this point. Ms. Palin could be censured by the Legislature, but that is unlikely.

Ms. Palin, who had been elected governor in 2006, was tapped as Senator John McCain’s running mate in late August, about a month after an inquiry was opened into her firing of Mr. Monegan. Her political ascendancy took what was essentially a state personnel matter and elevated it into a national issue, one that has been simmering in the background of an increasingly heated presidential race.

In the report, the independent investigator, Stephen E. Branchflower, a former prosecutor in Anchorage, said that Ms. Palin wrongfully allowed her husband, Todd, to use state resources as part of the effort to have Trooper Wooten dismissed.

The report says she knowingly “permitted Todd Palin to use the governor’s office and the resources of the governor’s office, including access to state employees, to continue to contact subordinate state employees in an effort to find some way to get Trooper Wooten fired.”

Further, it says, she “knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda.”

Three years ago, Trooper Wooten and the governor’s sister, Molly McCann, were locked in a harsh divorce and child-custody battle that further turned the Palin family against him. The couple divorced in January 2006.

As a result of several complaints against Trooper Wooten, he was suspended from the state police force for five days. However, Mr. Branchflower’s report found numerous instances in which Ms. Palin, her husband and her subordinates tried to press for harsher punishment, even though Mr. Monegan and others told them they had gone as far as the law and civil service rules would allow.

Ms. Palin has denied that anyone told Mr. Monegan to dismiss Trooper Wooten, or that the commissioner’s ouster had anything to do with the trooper, who remains on the force.

Mr. Monegan has said that he believes he lost his job because he would not bend to pressure to dismiss Trooper Wooten. On July 28, the Legislative Council, a bipartisan body of House and Senate members that can convene to make decisions when the Legislature is not in session, approved an independent investigation into whether the governor abused the powers of her office to pursue a personal vendetta.

Mr. Monegan said in an interview Friday night that he felt relieved.

“I feel that my beliefs and opinions that Wooten was a significant factor, if not the factor, in my termination have been validated,” Mr. Monegan said, adding, “I was resisting the governor from the very beginning on the Wooten matter to protect her from exactly what just happened to her here, being found to have acted inappropriately.”

The report was released after Alaska lawmakers emerged from a private session in Anchorage where they spent more than of six hours discussing the ethics report and what portions should be made public. The legislative council ended up voting unanimously to make part of the overall report public.

At a news conference Friday evening, a local McCain-Palin campaign spokeswoman, Meghan Stapleton, said that Mr. Branchflower’s abuse of power finding was the result of an “overreach” by the investigator who went beyond “the intent of the original” inquiry.

Ms. Stapleton added that the governor “feels absolutely vindicated” because the report concluded that Ms. Palin was acting within her legal authority when she “reassigned” Mr. Monegan. On July 11, he was told by the governor’s acting chief of staff that Ms. Palin wanted him to head the state Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, and that she wanted to take the public safety agency in a new direction.

In an e-mail statement, Ms. Stapleton said the report showed that the investigation was a “partisan led inquiry run by Obama supporters and the Palins were completely justified in their concern regarding Trooper Wooten given his violent and rogue behavior.”

Minutes after the report was released, the Obama campaign sent an Associated Press article in an e-mail message to reporters, with the subject line, “Palin ‘unlawfully abused her authority.’ ” It contained no other comment.

A pre-emptive report on the investigation by the McCain-Palin campaign, released late Thursday, said that beginning in October 2007, the governor and members of her administration repeatedly clashed with Mr. Monegan over budgetary issues and the direction of his agency.

After months of “repeatedly ignoring the governor’s budget priorities, making public statements that directly challenged the governor’s policy agenda and taking numerous unilateral actions in conflict with the governor in support of his own policy agenda, his replacement in July 2008 should have come as no surprise,” that report said.

Mr. Branchflower based his finding of abuse of power on Alaska’s Executive Branch Ethics Act, which was established to “discourage executive branch employees from acting upon personal interest in the performance of their public responsibilities and to avoid conflicts of interest in the performance of duty,” the report says.

It says, however, that “Governor Palin’s firing of Commissioner Walt Monegan was a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority to hire and fire executive branch department heads.” It cites the Alaska Constitution, which says “the governor may discharge department heads without cause.”

The report continues, “In light of this constitutional and statutory authority, it is clear that Governor Palin could fire Commissioner Walt Monegan at will, for almost any reason, or no reason at all.”

The report states that, while there is no doubt that Mr. Monegan’s “failure to fire Trooper Wooten was a substantial factor in his own firing, the evidence suggest it was not the sole reason.”

The report chastised Ms. Palin for declining to be interviewed.

Legislative leaders said that in cases like this, a violation of the ethics law would typically be resolved by the state Personnel Board. However, that chain of events is complicated by the fact that the panel is conducting an inquiry of its own. Ms. Palin has pledged to cooperate with that investigation.

Even as Ms. Palin drew large crowds as she campaigned across the United States, the issue was brewing in Alaska. But the campaign repeatedly shrugged off the accusations, stating that they were not serious and that she was not guilty of any wrongdoing.

Still, the accusations undermined the campaign’s portrayal of Ms. Palin as a “maverick” and an ethics reformer who has taken on special interests and fought for average residents.

The McCain campaign flew operatives into Alaska to wage a public relations campaign to discredit the investigation and to help mount legal challenges to it."

10/11/2008 1:24:25 AM

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I agree with Buckley:

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"No, hell has not frozen over, but a Buckley is backing a Democrat for president.

Christopher Buckley, the son of the late conservative icon William F. Buckley, said Friday he's decided to back Barack Obama's White House bid, the first time in his life he will vote Democrat.

“It’s a good thing my dear old mum and pup [sic] are no longer alive. They’d cut off my allowance," Buckley, a columnist for the conservative National Review, wrote on the Web site The Daily Beast Friday.

Buckley, who praised McCain in a New York Times Op-Ed earlier this year and defended the Arizona senator's conservative credentials against wary talk-radio hosts, said McCain is no longer the “real” and “unconventional” man he once admired.

"This campaign has changed John McCain," Buckley wrote. "It has made him inauthentic. A once-first class temperament has become irascible and snarly; his positions change, and lack coherence; he makes unrealistic promises, such as balancing the federal budget 'by the end of my first term.' Who, really, believes that?

"Then there was the self-dramatizing and feckless suspension of his campaign over the financial crisis," Buckley added. "His ninth-inning attack ads are mean-spirited and pointless. And finally, not to belabor it, there was the Palin nomination. What on earth can he have been thinking?"


But Buckley made clear he's not just voting against McCain, praising Obama for his "first-class temperament and first-class intellect.

"Obama has in him—I think, despite his sometimes airy-fairy 'We are the people we have been waiting for' silly rhetoric—the potential to be a good, perhaps even great leader. He is, it seems clear enough, what the historical moment seems to be calling for," Buckley wrote.

"

10/11/2008 1:29:38 AM

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I kind of feel bad for McCain a little bit.

He did have a lot of potential, evidenced by his early Daily Show interviews.

2 polls now showing Obama with double-digit leads, that's amazing. This may be a landslide victory...

[Edited on October 11, 2008 at 1:39 AM. Reason : ]

10/11/2008 1:38:21 AM

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"evidenced by his early Daily Show interviews."

meet the voting public

10/11/2008 1:40:49 AM

moron
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Here's 2 videos showing some McCain supporters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itEucdhf4Us

I wonder if you can find similar responses at Obama rallies?

10/11/2008 1:59:28 AM

HUR
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I blame Palin

10/11/2008 1:59:42 AM

carzak
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Back when he would actually make daily show appearances (now he wouldn't be caught dead with Jon Stewart), I was actually considering voting for him. I know... But he did seem kind of cool then. But times have changed and he has changed.

10/11/2008 2:03:25 AM

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10/11/2008 2:06:04 AM

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Honestly, right now, unless the economy starts to rebound in the next few weeks, Senator Obama could talk about how he REALLY feels about:

abortion
socialism
Islam
gun rights
ACORN
Tony Rezko
Bill Ayers
Jim Johnson
Frank Raines
Raila Odinga

and he would still get elected. Honestly, Obama could get on television and murder someone and he would still get elected.

The media has chosen its darling and we are all just going along for the ride.

I guess the best thing about this is that, in two years, when we finally see how jacked up Congress is, people will demand new leadership. And in four years, if this country has survived, people will demand a new president.

10/11/2008 2:16:52 AM

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onoz a democrat is going to be in office, how terrible!

10/11/2008 2:18:02 AM

moron
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"Honestly, right now, unless the economy starts to rebound in the next few weeks, Senator Obama could talk about how he REALLY feels about:

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haha maybe nuttiness IS exclusive to MccAin supporters.

10/11/2008 2:21:40 AM

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10/11/2008 2:21:54 AM

moron
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might as well get this out of the way too:
Alaska probe finds Palin 'abused her power

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/2008/10/11/alaska_probe_finds_palin_abused_her_power/

10/11/2008 2:22:40 AM

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"onoz a democrat socialist is going to be in office, how terrible!"


[Edited on October 11, 2008 at 2:25 AM. Reason : yes]

10/11/2008 2:24:49 AM

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lol.

so much sore feelings in this thread AND THE ELECTION IS STILL WEEKS AWAY.

Your post is idiotic, sure, it was the media that put Obama where he was at, his campaign and his talent has NOTHING whatsoever to do with it. Give me a fucking break. You guys are all the same.

10/11/2008 2:25:35 AM

KeB
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^^^hey moron we got that out of the way about 12 posts up....moron

10/11/2008 2:43:01 AM

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campaign and talent....there you have it

10/11/2008 2:52:07 AM

Kainen
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you know what I mean when I say talent. ability to accomplish, lead the country, intelligence....don't play dumpster semantics with me.

10/11/2008 2:59:44 AM

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"He's an Arab."

"No, he's a decent person and a citizen, and a family man."

10/11/2008 3:38:01 AM

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"ability to accomplish, lead the country, intelligence"


accomplish what, exactly? what has he accomplished in the last 15 years?

how would he lead? grandiose, loquacious oratory?

intelligence? sure...that's a given for any presidential candidate (yes, even Bush)

10/11/2008 4:07:15 AM

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Sooooooo, McCain basically conceded yesterday? Sweet.

10/11/2008 8:52:35 AM

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I just can't believe how hateful the Republicans have gotten. It's sad.

10/11/2008 9:01:58 AM

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i've already explained myself in long posts in details concerning these areas and why I think he'll be a great president, I'm not going to do it again. Sorry. It didn't change matters last time, we're all decided.

Switching topics, this is crazy though - McCain says yesterday 'you do not have to fear an Obama presidency' but that is essentially ALL they are running on now. If you take away that, they have no platform to stand, the fear of Obama is the only wedge keeping this from being a ridiculous sweep of epic proportions.

10/11/2008 9:02:38 AM

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I fear and Obama presidency esp matched with a dem congress. Hell even with the idiot bush in the whitehouse we are marching towards socialism... with obama I think we pick up the pace.

Did you all see where dems are wanting to do away with 401ks? They actually called it a subsidy. WTF. I guess they really dont want people taking care of themselves.

Youve got to give mccain props for handling that shit yesterday.

[Edited on October 11, 2008 at 9:14 AM. Reason : .]

10/11/2008 9:13:38 AM

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"Youve got to give mccain props for handling that shit yesterday. "


yes, and several people here already did give him props for it.

Nonetheless, it is a monster of his own creation. He and his campaign cannot accuse, insinuate, and imply that Obama is a dangerous man, perhaps even a terrorist, and then be surprised when his rallies turn into mobs of people yelling "terrorist," "Arab," and even "kill him."

So yes, good - I hope he tries to diffuse this even more and put the genie back in the bottle, before riots start at his rallies. But he was the one that opened the bottle in the first place.

10/11/2008 9:24:17 AM

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Hahah, if some of you read aloud your posts in a McCain Town Hall, he'd yank your mic away.

10/11/2008 10:11:03 AM

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double.

[Edited on October 11, 2008 at 10:23 AM. Reason : oops]

10/11/2008 10:23:00 AM

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"Since Obama has declared health care a 'right' let me explain to those of you outside of health care what will follow if it is given a firmer foundation than it already has in EMTALA.

1. Care will be rationed. It's just that simple, all the other consequences are obvious, but this is the most important one for you.
2. Physicians will quit, retire early, cut their hours, or otherwise opt out.
3. The rich will still get excellent care either legally or illegally, but it will be unavailable for ordinary folks (see #1).

With a 'right' comes a 'responsibility'. If health care is a 'right' then who is responsible for it?
"


It bothers me when actual doctors write things like this.

http://www.docsontheweb.blogspot.com/

10/11/2008 10:29:03 AM

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That's odd.

A med school friend of mine says nearly all the doctors he works under are in love with Obama's plan.

It might have something to do with the fact that they're in a hospital.



Oh, and Obama gave McCain props, too:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/11/obama-thanks-mccain-for-toning-down-supporters/?hp

class act.

[Edited on October 11, 2008 at 10:58 AM. Reason : ]

10/11/2008 10:49:03 AM

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"It bothers me when actual doctors write things like this."


The only thing that concerns me about socialized medicine is that some future Republican government will likely slash funding and then point at the failing system as evidence of "bad government".

10/11/2008 11:28:28 AM

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

3 polls with double-digit leads, and Obama has surpassed his all-time highest lead (previously +7.5 in June now he's at +7.7).

10/11/2008 12:44:25 PM

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Yeah, the national polls just underscores the problem McCain is facing at the state level. He is right now in a situation where his only realistic (if you want to call it that) shot at winning is to sweep eight 2004 red states that currently range from lean/strong Obama to tossup. He has absolutely no shot at winning a 2004 blue state anymore, since he withdrew from MI and Obama has opened up a double digit lead in PA.

10/11/2008 12:59:35 PM

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The republicans better get their fucking act together and prevent the democrats from winning a supermajority in the senate. If mccain's not going to win his election, he should at least make the senate his priority.


Since obama is likely to compromise and concede on policy, it's important for republicans to make sure they can stay in the game.

10/11/2008 1:06:25 PM

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"Since obama is likely to compromise and concede on policy"


What makes you think that? If anything, Obama seems much less likely to compromise on issues than McCain does. McCain is a moderate, who gave in to his parties base to try and get the nomination. Obama is the exact opposite, Hillary was, strangely enough, much more moderate than Obama.

10/11/2008 3:18:07 PM

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ohhs knows I mights have to cancel my yacht club membership since I am one of those in the top 2% Obama might tax more!!!


I do not support Obama's stances on social issues but some peoples arguments against them even blow me away; only fueling the flames of the Obama supporters. Last Thursday some girl at the bar was whining b.c her parents might not buy her a new Lexus since Obama's tax plans will take more of her parents money. BOO-HOOO

I'd rather see Laquesha get $5 more in foodstamps to buy some fried chicken and watermelon; than this spoiled bitch flaunt daddy's Lexus down to the beach bars.

[Edited on October 11, 2008 at 3:31 PM. Reason : l]

10/11/2008 3:30:25 PM

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wow, eddie ... just wow


not 1 slice of intelligent thought in that entire post

10/11/2008 3:54:36 PM

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^I'd like to see you form a thought that your daddy didn't feed you.

10/11/2008 5:26:19 PM

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haha

10/11/2008 5:40:50 PM

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^^hahahahaha


[Edited on October 11, 2008 at 5:59 PM. Reason : -]

10/11/2008 5:58:44 PM

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