martin->missouri
marshall->tenn
williams->oklahoma
mack/smart->nc state

3/26/2011 11:54:49 PM

Mack already turned down the UT job saying he was staying at Xavier.

3/26/2011 11:57:27 PM

Woot, Arizona lost to UConn. Let the official denial out now



[Edited on March 27, 2011 at 12:10 AM. Reason : haha hella old news apparently]

3/27/2011 12:10:12 AM

I'd like to think that was due to impending sanctions

3/27/2011 12:11:25 AM

i can see it now. we hire smart, after 5 years and two ncaa appearances we are still consistently in the bottom quarter of the acc and we end up firing him and going after rick barnes and miller again.

3/27/2011 12:11:40 AM

yeah we could make 5 ncaa appearances in a row and this fanbase would still be dissappointed

oh wait....

3/27/2011 12:14:28 AM

Mack is an alum of Xavier. This makes him more likely to stay. After seeing him in person last year and this year, I don't think he's a great coach. Good coach yes, but great no. He's riding the wave of success that Miller put together.

3/27/2011 12:16:16 AM

Let the Monte Towe era begin.

3/27/2011 12:16:58 AM

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"after 5 years and two ncaa appearances we are still consistently in the bottom quarter of the acc and we end up firing him and going after rick barnes and miller again."

If that happens I doubt we consider Barnes. 5 years from now he'll be turning 62, meaning he only has ~3-5 more years after that likely.

3/27/2011 12:21:12 AM

ARCHIE MILLER IN 2016!

3/27/2011 12:25:41 AM

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"If that happens I doubt we consider Barnes. 5 years from now he'll be turning 62, meaning he only has ~3-5 more years after that likely. "

Bullshit.

You know he'll still turn us down for old times sake

3/27/2011 1:01:33 AM

^4th time is the charm?

3/27/2011 1:04:55 AM

Can someone call me if we hire a coach


I'm still not convinced we're gonna

3/27/2011 3:27:37 AM

FWIW Miller already had an annuity in his contract. I dont remember if it was 300k or 200k but basically they put it in a fund or some shit after every year and he doesnt get it until he's been there 5 years (so he already has 2 banked but if he bails on them now he gets nothing)

That's included in his reported salary along with a Nike/IMG deal. His current contract from Zona is "only" 1.6 million

No idea if the reported 3.2mil we offered is base or with all that extra shit thrown in

3/27/2011 4:53:15 AM

You should actually try reading this thread.

3/27/2011 7:32:21 AM

I've dreamt the last two nights that we got miller, so I think it's a given at this point

3/27/2011 7:49:13 AM

I farted this morning and it kind of sounded like "Sean". Sean Miller is a given at this point.

3/27/2011 9:01:40 AM

Eh, I've put less stock in my farts ever since they said we would get Donovan

3/27/2011 9:30:28 AM

goodnight sweet prince...

3/27/2011 9:31:11 AM

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"That's included in his reported salary along with a Nike/IMG deal. His current contract from Zona is "only" 1.6 million "

Don't think that's right.

I've read that his salary from Arizona is 1.6 mil, PLUS 400k per year from Nike, Plus $300k per year from the rollover 'slush fun' thing he gets after year five.

That puts his salary at $2.3 mil.

I know he's got a TON of incentives. Some show on Sirius radio was saying that he's unlocked like $500k in incentives by making it to the elite 8

[Edited on March 27, 2011 at 9:48 AM. Reason : ]

3/27/2011 9:46:24 AM

Our basketball expenses the past few years range from 3-4 million...how in the hell are we going to pay a coach over 3 million a year?

3/27/2011 10:28:52 AM

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"Shaka lost to Old Dominion, George Mason, Drexel, and James Madison coming down the stretch. "

Brad Stevens lost to Evansville, Milwaukee (twice), Wright State, Youngstown State, and Valpo this year.

Fuck, Roy lost to Georgia Tech by 20.

(btw, it's funny that you say the coach lost to certain teams...I'm only following your line)

Also look at Butler's ranks:

Points pg: 71
Reb pg: 177
Assts pg: 190
FG %: 122


Holy fuck. But you know what...he gets to the tournament and wins in it. That's all I want. Someone who can get us to the tournament and win some games. Herb could get us to the tourney, but had trouble winning in it. And we're not getting Stevens...and probably not Miller or any other big name. So give me Smart.


(I also wonder about where Stevens will end up...but it won't be here. However...everyone saying he's waiting for the IU job to open up....I don't see Crean going anywhere any time soon. Maybe Duke...but I still think they pass the torch to a former assistant. Who knows...)

[Edited on March 27, 2011 at 10:33 AM. Reason : .]

3/27/2011 10:31:52 AM

So did we get the official Sean Miller rejection yet?

3/27/2011 10:36:39 AM

We should pull Crean away from IU. Forcing IU to grab Stevens. Blocking him from going to duke/unc-ch in a few years.

3/27/2011 10:45:01 AM

I'm not following this stuff closely...but can someone tell me why any other basketball coach in the world outside of college couldn't do this job?

It seems like to me we could get a good international coach for not a ton of money and ALSO hire a guy that knows how to work the recruiting aspects of it? Most of the guys NCSU is going to recruit aren't going to the NBA...but wouldn't it be a pretty good recruiting tool to tell them they have an "in" into the European leagues because their current coach has so many connections?

Just thinking outside the lane here folks.

3/27/2011 11:28:55 AM

Read this:

http://www.accsports.com/teams/nc-state/2011032610158/what-went-wrong-for-lowe.php


Then report back with that thought.

3/27/2011 11:34:58 AM

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"now that stevens has reached two final fours with butler, the idea of him coming here is absolute lunacy, he already has that program to an elite level so it makes no sense, the only way he'll leave is for a top 5 program years from now"

His stock has never been higher. Will he be able to get those same results without Mack and Howard? Can he replace those players (on the surface his recruiting for the past two years hasn't been stellar)? Howard is gone this year and Mack is a Junior. Those are probably nagging concerns for him right now. So maybe he takes the opportunity to build somewhere with a better basketball infrastructure. Accepting a job in which it is easier to recruit top level talent would probably only further his reputation and put him in an even better position for a top 5 job.

We have something to offer him that Butler cannot offer (history, facilities, fan base, conference prestige). I still think we have a better chance with Stevens than we do Miller (granted I think both are very very slim chances)

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"Most of the guys NCSU is going to recruit aren't going to the NBA"

I certainly hope this isn't true. If so lets just call herb back. Right now we have NBA caliber talent on the roster if the next coach isn't able to continue this trend that is truly disturbing.

[Edited on March 27, 2011 at 11:37 AM. Reason : asdf]

[Edited on March 27, 2011 at 11:39 AM. Reason : asdf]

3/27/2011 11:36:21 AM

Quote :

" SLUSH FUN"

3/27/2011 11:37:15 AM

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"I certainly hope this isn't true. If so lets just call herb back. "

It's true for the majority of the NCAA.

3/27/2011 11:38:43 AM

Quote :

"Then report back with that thought. "

Lowe sucked in the Pros. I'm clearly not advocating someone that couldn't hack it in the Pros.

3/27/2011 11:39:22 AM

Is this where someone says Larry Brown?

3/27/2011 11:41:53 AM

Quote :

"It's true for the majority of the NCAA."

It isn't even true for us now. You basically need 1-2 future NBA prospects to be a contender in basketball right now.

3/27/2011 11:43:31 AM

Pat Riley

3/27/2011 11:43:49 AM

Be a contender for the NC? Let's be a contender in the conference first.

3/27/2011 11:46:23 AM

^ which makes us a contender in the ncaa

3/27/2011 11:48:57 AM

Eh, no. We can get in to the dance and not really have a chance at being a contender.

3/27/2011 11:53:37 AM

You're negating yourself. Getting into the dance doesn't necessarily mean you're an ACC contender. You said you wanted to be an ACC contender first. If we truly are, then we will automatically have a legit shot at doing big things in the Tourney.

3/27/2011 12:26:01 PM

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"Getting into the dance doesn't necessarily mean you're an ACC contender."

There must be a problem with how we are defining contender. If we get into the dance that means we weren't bottom dwelling. Under Herbs teams the years we got into the dance we were generally a contender for the title.

[Edited on March 27, 2011 at 12:31 PM. Reason : a]

3/27/2011 12:29:25 PM

wat?

The closest herb ever came was second in the ACC and a few ACC tourney runner-ups where we got blown out by Duke


2001–02 NC State 23–11 9–7 T–3rd NCAA Second Round
2002–03 NC State 18–13 9–7 4th NCAA First Round
2003–04 NC State 21–10 11–5 2nd NCAA Second Round
2004–05 NC State 21–14 7–9 T–6th NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2005–06 NC State 22–10 10–6 4th NCAA Second Round


[Edited on March 27, 2011 at 12:43 PM. Reason : asdf]

3/27/2011 12:38:27 PM

Quote :

"I don't buy the whole "His dad said he's not coming" thing about Sean Miller, and I don't believe this "he just re-upped with Arizona" nonsense either. They're talking about putting 300k in an annuity for him for every year that he stays... big whoop. Everyone seems to forget that: 1. The next coach that comes here will have a good percentage of his salary paid by whatever Athletic company wins the RFP to outfit us. Arizona's already a Nike school and has been for years. Nike's not going to give them more money just because their coach is doing well. Nike's going to look out for their own best interests and pay money to a school that isn't already a Nike school in order to welcome them into the fold. The main reason Nike didn't stick around during the Amato years was because of Lee Fowler's ineptitude and inability to drop Adidas for basketball like a bad fucking habit. 2. We have donors who make money in gobs and who will pour money out of their asshole to get us back to national prominence. Jim Goodknight - rumored to be willing to pay half of the coach's salary himself, Wendell Murphy and Lonnie Poole, plus a few others. 300k a year for an annuity ain't shit between those guys. 3. If the money that was being talked about was the real amount, then he'd be a fool to put himself out of play for that. 3.2 million a year puts any coach in the country in a top 5, if not top 3 position. 4. He'd be in a top 3 position in the ACC immediately, and he'd have the ability to become the coach of the dominant program in 6-8 years when both Roy and K retire. If Arizona did offer up some money, that's great. Doesn't mean that we won't pull out all the stops to match it or BETTER it, leaving them up the creek without a paddle. Some statement from his dad does not automatically rule him out of the job."

I'm glad you posted this so that i didn't have to type it all out.

Any coach that declines to come here will do so for reasons that are other than pay.

3/27/2011 12:41:38 PM

Quote :

"The closest herb ever came was second in the ACC and a few ACC tourney runner-ups where we got blown out by Duke "

THAT IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF CONTENDING.

Holy fuck, I'm dealing with half wits

3/27/2011 12:49:41 PM

Finishing low in the conference standings and then making an ACC tourney run that nobody saw coming as a last ditch effort is not contending.

Contending is regular season title hopes. Like this year we contended in Football.

3/27/2011 12:54:05 PM

Quote :

"(I also wonder about where Stevens will end up...but it won't be here. However...everyone saying he's waiting for the IU job to open up....I don't see Crean going anywhere any time soon. Maybe Duke...but I still think they pass the torch to a former assistant. Who knows...)"

Don't say things like that here, you will get called a retard.

Because apparently it is retarded to think Stevens would rather hold out for a Duke/IU than come coach the perennial 10th place ACC team.

3/27/2011 1:06:46 PM

Quote :

"Points pg: 71 Reb pg: 177 Assts pg: 190"

gtfo

3/27/2011 1:13:52 PM

Quote :

"Also look at Butler's ranks: Points pg: 71 Reb pg: 177 Assts pg: 190 FG %: 122 Holy fuck. But you know what...he gets to the tournament and wins in it."

somebody needs to learn a thing or two about tempo-free stats

3/27/2011 1:18:03 PM

Quote :

"Because apparently it is retarded to think Stevens would rather hold out for a Duke/IU than come coach the perennial 10th place ACC team."

You aren't a retard just illiterate. I clearly provided a rebuttal for this sentiment. Holding out could be a bad coaching move for Stevens if he can't replace Howard and Mack.

3/27/2011 1:39:09 PM

did i miss something? where did all this stevens and duke talk come from?

3/27/2011 1:41:09 PM

Stevens is the last pipe dream candidate who hasn't said anything about the state job. You have to think he has been approached so...

Also any talk of stevens seems to really really irritate some people

[Edited on March 27, 2011 at 1:47 PM. Reason : Also]

3/27/2011 1:46:20 PM

Guy will have his choice of jobs, and there are some big schools with openings right now. Missouri, Tennesse, NC State, and potentially others if an NBA team tries to snag a big name coach like they do almost every year.

Stevens will probably be mentioned for any major opening. I hope we get him, he's young, smart, and has proven that he's capable of making big runs in the NCAA tournament. He's also, if I recall correctly, the fastest ever to 100 wins. Why would you not want the guy or at least go after him?

3/27/2011 1:57:56 PM

no, i understand why people are talking about stevens. what i'm asking is why have so many people seemingly determined that he is holding out for the duke job? he's from indiana and has never left the midwest so far as i can tell. duke isn't even a realistic vacancy.

3/27/2011 2:00:18 PM