62 years of academic fraud

11/23/2014 2:43:40 PM

http://www.wral.com/refusal-to-disclose-names-of-those-disciplined-after-unc-ch-fraud-probe-prompts-lawsuit/14209317/

en media organizations, including Capitol Broadcasting Co., the parent company of WRAL News, filed suit Monday to obtain the names of University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill faculty and staff who were fired or disciplined in the wake of an outside investigation into academic fraud at the school.

Former federal prosecutor Kenneth Wainstein released a 131-page report on Oct. 22 that showed academic advisers steered student-athletes for 18 years toward classes that never met and required only a short paper to pass.

Read more at http://www.wral.com/refusal-to-disclose-names-of-those-disciplined-after-unc-ch-fraud-probe-prompts-lawsuit/14209317/#uE1HgQradwpuMRHQ.99

11/24/2014 12:29:40 PM

I know it's a typo, but I like the humor of a UNC administrator saying they had to go to North Carolina Central to see how they did things.

11/24/2014 2:59:11 PM

That isn't a typo according to the emails that were quoted from dubcaps on Page 61 (first post)

I never bothered to verify them since he quoted them all.

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^^

Now that article is hilarious, it is basically the gist of everything that is UNC. What they say and what they actually do are polar opposites and now is the definition of "The Carolina Way".

Here is the best breakdown of what the article says using only quotations:

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"Under North Carolina's public records law, the date and reason for any demotion, suspension or dismissal of a state employee must be available for public inspection."

UNC:

"Folt herself mentioned integrity and accountability during a news conference after Wainstein released his report.

"Academic freedom does not mean freedom from accountability. Instead, I believe very strongly that we have to hold each other accountable," she said. "We do this because integrity of the university is owned by all of us.""

Mike Tadych:

Raleigh attorney Mike Tadych, who is representing the media coalition in the lawsuit, said that, even with pending appeals, the state public records law pulls back the curtain on terminations, suspensions and demotions.

"It's our university. We should have the right to know what happened or didn't happen," Tadych said.

UNC:

UNC officials declined to comment on the lawsuit, which names Folt and Vice Chancellor for Workforce Strategy, Equity and Engagement Felicia Washington as defendants.



The suit seeks a court order declaring the actions taken against the nine employees to be public records and compelling the immediate release of the information.


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This makes the 3rd lawsuit against UNC since the Wainstein report came out. Obviously these are completely separate from anything the NCAA or SACS is doing.






[Edited on November 24, 2014 at 3:42 PM. Reason : lol]

11/24/2014 3:19:19 PM

Here is more of "The Carolina Way"


http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/11/unc-duke-football-vandalism

Quote :

"North Carolina’s celebration of the Tarheels win over Duke got out of hand Thursday, resulting in thousands of dollars in damage to Duke’s visiting team locker room. "

Quote :

"According to the Herald-Sun, the damage to the locker room floor and walls happened as the bell was wheeled into the locker room. There was also some graffiti that read UNC on a door next to the facility. During his press conference on Monday, Fedora said he called Duke head coach David Cutcliffe to apologize for the damage and that no players will be disciplined for the incident."

Way to teach them a lesson Fedora you dumb fuck...




[Edited on November 24, 2014 at 3:49 PM. Reason : _]

11/24/2014 3:44:44 PM

I saw another article that said it was $25,000+ worth of damage.

And Fedora has already said they won't be disciplining anyone for it.

[Edited on November 24, 2014 at 3:48 PM. Reason : http://www.heraldsun.com/news/blog/x761893770/UNC-celebration-damages-Duke-locker-room]

11/24/2014 3:47:33 PM

With all the scrutiny they are under, how did they not realize that spray painting the lockeroom was a bad idea?

11/24/2014 3:58:21 PM

^^

Hard to punish players when its pretty obvious that coaches would have been witnessing all this and presumably allowing it to continue.

So he didn't find out about it until Friday, despite being in the locker room? Or was he ever in the locker room? Kind of like the thing with the bitch boy WR that got gang assaulted... Fedora claimed he had no idea about it until weeks later

11/24/2014 4:08:25 PM

^ even he can see the problems here...

11/24/2014 4:09:15 PM

Maybe they thought this would pull attention away from everything else?? haha

If someone sat me down say 5-10 years ago and asked me to list the worst things I wanted to happen to UNC, there is no way in hell I could have come up with anything near what has actually happened. It is like Christmas every few days, lol.


The real question is will the UNC players get credit hours for Art 101?




[Edited on November 24, 2014 at 4:25 PM. Reason : _]

11/24/2014 4:10:01 PM

Now they are getting opinion columns from the local middle school to weigh in on it:

http://www.chapelhillnews.com/2014/11/21/4341785_langston-luck-dont-punish-all.html?sp=/99/586/885/905/&rh=1

11/24/2014 4:57:06 PM

L. O. L.

11/24/2014 5:52:51 PM

^^ that's cute. They should make student athletes at UNC submit progress reports, just like middle schoolers.



[Edited on November 24, 2014 at 5:58 PM. Reason : .]

11/24/2014 5:53:34 PM

That 8th grader can write better than 99% of athletes at "Harvard of the South" UNC.

11/24/2014 7:12:32 PM

Quote :

"As a middle school student athlete who takes my classes seriously"

LOL

i get why a middle school kid would think this is worth writing. i do not get how any adult would think this is worth publishing; even on the internet.

11/24/2014 8:16:11 PM

I'm not sure where to post it and I haven't seen it yet but Melvin Scott got charged with rape. Was on the 2005 championship team.

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/former-unc-basketball-player-scott-charged-with-rape/14217619/

[Edited on November 24, 2014 at 8:46 PM. Reason : Melvin]

11/24/2014 8:45:58 PM

Quote :

"With all the scrutiny they are under, how did they not realize that spray painting the lockeroom was a bad idea?"

They're bulletproof. Case in point:

Quote :

"And Fedora has already said they won't be disciplining anyone for it."

Got a big game coming up. Gotta sacrifice integrity for a better chance at winning at sports. The Carolina Way™

[Edited on November 24, 2014 at 8:55 PM. Reason : -]

11/24/2014 8:54:30 PM

I don't really care if any players get suspended or not. But I thought Fedora seemed to just shrug it off. He could've and probably should've at least feigned anger and been like "we're looking into the matter and will deal with it internally". Instead he says he apologized to Cut and there will be no disciplinary action. Maybe I'm being biased in how I look at this, though.

11/24/2014 9:04:41 PM

meh who gives a shit if they got spraypaint around the shitty ass locker room they have for visitors? pay up and move on

11/24/2014 9:31:38 PM

i don't recall ever hearing about a visiting team vandalizing a borrowed locker-room. (i am aware of a team vandalizing a borrowed field)
is this a case of the media sensationalizing a story? or is this a somewhat unique incident?

and i assume the coaching staff had to be aware of it as it was occurring.

11/24/2014 9:50:14 PM

When I was at app one of our guys kicked a hole in some sheetrock because he was mad.. Definitely an accident and not a huge deal (as far as $ to repair it) but I'm sure stuff happens pretty frequently. Probably not with spray paint and that level of damage if the numbers are actually close

[Edited on November 24, 2014 at 9:54 PM. Reason : @FSU.. Baseball.. ]

11/24/2014 9:54:07 PM

^^Didn't they say it was like $10K in damages? That seems excessive to me...and more than maybe a couple holes in the wall or whatever.

11/24/2014 10:04:09 PM

So one of the guys on PackPride basically got confirmation that the US Dept. of Education has launched an investigation into UNC's shit-pie of academic shenanigans. They are looking into the allegations of Pell Grant fraud, detailed in the emails from Jan Boxill that described creating BS classes for kids so that they could become eligible for their Pell Grant checks.



Not much in that letter but the dude followed up with them and they confirmed that there is an ongoing investigation.

If this gets rolling, then there is absolutely nothing UNC can do to control that narrative

11/24/2014 10:07:03 PM

ha ha ha - I was wondering if the feds would ever get involved on that angle

That's fantastic. They do not fuck around when it comes to pell grants.

11/24/2014 10:12:40 PM

well damn

11/24/2014 10:16:59 PM

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11/24/2014 10:18:51 PM

Quote :

"i don't recall ever hearing about a visiting team vandalizing a borrowed locker-room. (i am aware of a team vandalizing a borrowed field)"

fuckers

11/24/2014 10:21:13 PM

one paper reported $25,000 in damages to the locker room. Weird that pictures haven't leaked out by now

[Edited on November 24, 2014 at 10:22 PM. Reason : dqw]

11/24/2014 10:22:36 PM

I'm not sure UNC won't wiggle their way out of this too. Thanks Obama








jk. This Pell Grant angle is huge.


AND THEY BETTER INVESTIGATE THAT SLIMY DENTAL FOUNDATION WHILE THEY'RE AT IT.

[Edited on November 25, 2014 at 12:14 AM. Reason : ]

11/25/2014 12:12:22 AM

That Obama photo has to be added to my picture (which is formatted to be used as a FB cover photo)





http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/14458064/img/14458064.jpg

11/25/2014 4:01:06 PM

this girl in my lab that's from state college, pa and really into defending penn state football, which makes me sincerely want to punch her in the face, was giving her routine but in defense on unc (i think she's trying to compare the two as both problems of "the deification of college sports", a phrase she wouldn't stop using god what a bitch, to feel better about her hometown), and last night she's like "what? should all of these people who weren't involved in this be punished? should they really have to give out less scholarships b/c of what a few people did?"

so just remember unc, penn state has your back.

11/25/2014 9:12:29 PM

The more "sensible" Penn State fans would rather have their pound of flesh. Much like fans of Duke, Kentucky, UConn, Kansas etc

11/25/2014 10:25:32 PM

When they make the ESPN 30 for 30 on this I hope they just call it "The Carolina Way".

11/26/2014 2:25:08 PM

I was reading trying to find some hard evidence on the Federal Investigation regarding Pell Grant fraud and I landed on a Kentucky board that says this:

Quote :

"Do. Not. Piss. Off. NC State. Fans!"

hahaha

https://kentucky.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1383&mid=206979717&sid=888&tid=206979717&style=2&Override=1

11/26/2014 3:22:49 PM

^ lol from that thread

Quote :

"You guys are making too much of this. EVERY school gets investigated by the Federal Government."

11/26/2014 5:03:02 PM

Quote :

"UNC should find a booster to buy scout.com and shut it down if they want to get ahead of this thing"

11/26/2014 5:12:48 PM

They'll just head over to tdub if that happens

11/26/2014 5:35:55 PM

Quote :

"When they make the ESPN 30 for 30 on this I hope they just call it "The Carolina Way"."

Gold

Except it's ESPN, so that'll never happen. Or, if they do, it'll be an hour and a half about the greatness of the school and a vague 15 second mention of some scandal.

[Edited on November 26, 2014 at 5:56 PM. Reason : ]

11/26/2014 5:55:07 PM

ESPN can't stop talking about "The Butler Way" today

First time I've ever heard the phrase, but Jay Williams and Seth Greenberg sure love talking about it

11/26/2014 6:05:07 PM

Has this been mentioned here?

http://abc11.com/news/former-unc-basketball-player-charged-with-rape/409476/

Quote :

"Former UNC basketball player Melvin Scott is facing charges of second-degree rape. Scott, 32, was arrested in Durham on Friday and jailed under $500,000 bond. His bond was modified late Monday to $200,000 secured. According to police, the alleged incident happened Aug. 20 and involved a female acquaintance who was "mentally incapacitated and physically helpless.""

11/26/2014 6:47:01 PM

IC tried to deny it was him at first

LOL - fuckers are in denial about everything even remotely negative

11/26/2014 7:20:32 PM

I was just talking to a friend's roommate who's a UNC fan (not a unc grad), and he had nothing to say other than "I just think the exact same thing happens at every other school"

11/26/2014 9:24:22 PM

What is this new information that I keep seeing about that does the classes went back to the 80's???

11/27/2014 12:17:25 PM

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=178&f=2515&t=13411203

Guy went through the Wainstein report and pulled the raw numbers out into some charts. Shows the AFAM angle started with mens BBall back in 1989, very clearly only benefited them for a few years then football caught on.

The normalized chart takes a shit on all the UNC PR-Spin that sort of shifts the focus off of basketball. You can see that normalized on the number of scholarships per sport, basketball was by far the leading culprit:



[Edited on November 27, 2014 at 12:38 PM. Reason : csa]

11/27/2014 12:36:38 PM

So has someone come forward to state that Chapel Hill doing federal fraud with Pell Grants is due to the strain put on athletes?

11/27/2014 9:48:07 PM

^^ holy shit, if that is even close to accurate it completely goes against everything the general public thinks. They made it sound like football was the sole player and basketball players just sort of "landed" in those classes with isolated cases (minus the 2005 team). That shows basketball as the leading reason these classes even exist/ed.

I would like to see the raw data that made the chart, the numbers always speak louder. For example give us a total tally on basketball vs. football over the 18 years.

By the way, a friend of mine who is a UNC graduate (as is his wife) in 2009 said that he was forced to take an AFAM course, his major was Nursing (lol). So how many majors require an elective that falls into the AFAM category?

11/28/2014 4:02:43 AM

Like an early Christmas present...

Quote :

"This email captures the UNC scandal in a nutshell: Wayne Walden, the academic counselor to basketball players, asking Debby Crowder, a department manager, to place a learning disabled athlete in one of her “independent study type” classes, past the deadline for joining a new class and with the goal of keeping the athlete eligible to play on the court. There's another troubling aspect to this email: UNC did not produce it to The News & Observer more than two years ago, when the paper made a public records request for all email correspondence involving Crowder, Julius Nyang'oro and academic counselors for the Academic Support Program for Student-Athletes. It wasn’t until mid-2013, and after repeated inquiries from the N&O, that UNC produced emails showing a cozy relationship between ASPSA staff and Nyang'oro. But those emails represented a small portion of the relevant records. Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/12/09/4390204_the-unc-academic-scandal-told.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&rh=1#storylink=cpy"

12/10/2014 12:52:22 AM

12/10/2014 1:23:41 AM

i was just thinking that we hadn't heard about this in a while. i was just thinking that.

12/10/2014 1:51:20 AM

Gotta be Sacko T's simple ass, right?

12/10/2014 2:34:27 AM