jelly of what? This shit performance?

2/7/2016 10:44:48 PM

gotta be in it to win it. do you even have a coach? geniuinely curious

2/7/2016 10:45:25 PM

One of the few times face nailed it

2/7/2016 10:53:23 PM

Yea I went read his Novel. It was right on the spot.

[Edited on February 7, 2016 at 10:59 PM. Reason : Ss]

2/7/2016 10:59:33 PM

Quote :

"Arguably the worst offense in super bowl history though. I just don't see them succeeding unless they have some trickery up their sleeve or our offense can't stay on the field and we lose a war of attrition to injuries and fatigue"

so basically none of this happened.

2/7/2016 11:03:04 PM

A few more ACL tears and I'll be inspired by Millers performance.

2/7/2016 11:32:35 PM

3-4 LBs get so much more props than 4-3 LBs. Chicks dig the sack.

2/7/2016 11:37:09 PM

Yeah unfortunately I nailed it... a great defense typically beats a good offense.

Just the way of the world.

Denver is old but if they had a decent qb and oline they would clearly be one of the top 5 teams in nfl history.

Carolina SHOULD be one of the top 20 teams in nfl history next year just looking around things objectively

2/8/2016 12:05:42 AM

If Denver had a decent O-Line, they couldn't afford half of their defense.

2/8/2016 12:07:31 AM

Any chance someone is dumb enough to snatch up Shula?

2/8/2016 12:21:05 AM

Treetwista, you are "that guy" who makes sports unbearable for normal people to follow. If our best player tears his acl you are happy because you paid $35 on fan boy day to get a picture with the undrafeed replacement taking his place. You are the guy who "knows" our defense will be better because Ron Rivera told the head sandwich artist at subway "let's have a good season" while giving him the standard thumbs up as he orders a bacon club.

Your entire knowledge of sports is based off EA sports video gsmes ratings.

No one on this website will ever match your post : legitimate information ratio. Ever

2/8/2016 12:50:57 AM

You're the guy who makes tons of claims and only owns up when you're right, and ignores your dozens and dozens of fails.

You just throw predictions and tinder swipes on the wall and see what sticks. You're mostly wrong. When you are right, you act like you've never been wrong. Seems disingenuous.

[Edited on February 8, 2016 at 12:52 AM. Reason : .]

2/8/2016 12:51:44 AM

You just never offer actual content. You can't be considered "right" or "wrong" ultimately because you nevery have anything to say except "Go team, go!"

You are the epitome of a flaming homo who throws cheerleaders up in the air and holds the car door for them when the guy who's actually fucking them shows up to drive them home. Just stop man

[Edited on February 8, 2016 at 1:03 AM. Reason : A]

2/8/2016 1:02:37 AM

You predicted 8-8 this year. We went 17-2. Why the fuck do you know anything? That prediction is 3 standard deviations of stupid. I'm about to twist some chron and take it to the face to dumb myself down to your level.

[Edited on February 8, 2016 at 1:08 AM. Reason : .]

2/8/2016 1:04:57 AM

when all else fails on TWW, just insinuate your rival is gay to save face

2/8/2016 1:10:42 AM

gr8 season still boyz! 17-2 awesome!

Also, face good call on 8-8, you are a sports talk GOD!!! lmao

[Edited on February 8, 2016 at 1:22 AM. Reason : .]

2/8/2016 1:20:39 AM

So did vegas. I'm not saying my predictions were right or wrong. And I don't really care. It's just annoying how no one here offers any content or analysis. It's like talking to third graders about who their favorite team is.

U just wait has mentioned in every post for 12 consecutive years that he lives in the bay area. It's like at what point do you say anything about the world other than where you live.

Signing off from Hollywood florida. Goodnight

2/8/2016 6:45:21 AM

Very disappointed in our coaching staff

1) not using designed runs for cam.

2) not giving our oline enough help in pass protection

And their most egregious mistake was blitzing on defense. Denver has no receivers, McClain sucks donkey dick and peyton manning can't even throw a fucking spiral. Yet we blitzed several times and allowed hime to get first downs. Why not just go for interceptions and in completions instead? Bizarre strategy that blew up in our face. McClain is just awful.

In fifteen years I've never seen cotchery drop a pass and he goes butterfingers in the super bowl. Cam was just awful the first few drives reverting to his old inaccurate self. Tolbert good lord.

Not sure what we expected remmers to do with them lined up impossibly wide .

Cam inexplicably not trying to recover his own fumble.

Ginn allowing an int because he can't catch anything

Refs screwed us on several calls.

Their punter has the game of his fucking life.

Our punt coverage does something I've never seen before.

We missed a huge tackle on 4th and 1.

Norman played well but dropped 2 potential game changing INTs that he was making all year


And then rivera throws the white flag on 4th down instead of trying to win the super bowl.


Oh yeah and we tied the penalties record. Very uncharacteristic of this team.

Just an all around terrible performance for the whole team. Figured the two weeks would help them since our offense is difficult to prepare for and their offense is flat out dog shit so preparation really is irrelevant. But man our coaching staff just got smoked all around.

[Edited on February 8, 2016 at 7:36 AM. Reason : A]

[Edited on February 8, 2016 at 7:53 AM. Reason : A]

2/8/2016 7:31:57 AM

I love how all the douches that hated on panthers early, then disappeared when panthers went 15-1, have suddenly reappeared.

Pathetic eagles fans are pathretic.

Good luck with noodle arm Bradford and another no playoff season.

I'll take a 15-1 season and NFC championship.

We'll be back for more next year you jello little bitches lol!!

2/8/2016 8:01:31 AM

Sounds like they got out-coached:

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/02/08/nfl-super-bowl-50-denver-broncos-defense

2/8/2016 8:02:38 AM

Also the ghost of hurney really got us. Denver got but whooped 2 years ago and used their cap space to build a juggernaut defense.

Gentleman built a winner from a pile of dog crap but football can be a game of your weakest link and him being hamstrung to the terrible contracts of johnson, kalil, deangelo, and Stewart prevented us from being able to afford a better pass rusher, decent secondary, offensive tackle, or wideouts.

All of which would have been very useful in that game.

It's still inexplicable that all of those mega deals came off the heels of a 2-14 season.

2/8/2016 8:27:07 AM

Our defense was not the problem at all. And we use to have a very good pass rusher. I don't know if you remember that guy. His woman hating ways play for the Cowboys now. Our offense couldn't move be the ball. After that catch wasn't overturn I believe the ball was stripped and we lost the game there. There was shady play calling tho.

[Edited on February 8, 2016 at 8:58 AM. Reason : Hh]

2/8/2016 8:52:30 AM

No one is saying our defense was the "problem" Just that if we had a better secondary or pass rush it might have had an impact on the game.

Denver is the worst offense in modern football history to win a super bowl. Peyton was actually worse than dilfer. We had to shut down their offense to have any reasonable chance.

Our defense played about as well as expected. It was an average performance. Certainly not a memorable one like the arizona game.

Give us another cb that didn't get lit up like McClain or a pass rusher to force manning into hurried throws and it's possible we win that game


And yes I drunkenly stated that Benjamin wouldn't have made much difference but obviously he would have helped a lot. Between funchess no show, ginns interception, cotchery butterfingers badly outmatched offensive line, etc newton really didn't have much chance to succeed through the air.

I don't think anyone thought our running game would fare so poorly, and when it did we just sort of panicked and played right into denvers hands by trying to throw the ball too often.

We really should have been happy to check down and punt instead of gifting denver a defensive td. Poor coaching. Their pass rush is ferocious you don't drop back into your end zone there in the first quarter down 3-0. Too early to panic

[Edited on February 8, 2016 at 9:07 AM. Reason : A]

2/8/2016 8:59:34 AM

Haha the return of face is glorious.

2/8/2016 10:16:40 AM

pretty sure he only posts on here during his 24-hour coke benders while waiting for the local dog race tracks to open

2/8/2016 10:36:56 AM

I gotta admit between drinking and talking to a couple girls i didn't notice the 5th down lineman being substituted for the safety. Jesus no wonder we couldn't run the ball.

Again, we needed much more creativity offensively as our receivers had no chance against their secondary. And we needed to play relatively turnover free and accept that punting was ok.

I did like the backside misdirection play to Olsen but I'm almost positive we ran that against seattle too, right? That's just such a tough play to cover given cams ability to extend the play and our offensive complexity in the run game.

Benjamin would've given us a better chance to compete but people forget how bad our numbers were on his targets last year. I think we were under 50% completions i know it was one of the lower catch ratings in the league among guys widely considered a good receiver. Granted, cam was dealing with injuries, missed camps, and a whole new receiving corps last season. It's certainly reasonable to assume Benjamin would've improved and theyd be a more effective duo.

Really like Phillips thought process there. Guys an all time great defensive mind. Just completely stoned an offense that destroyed the rest of the league . And what they did to brady was quite the feat.

It's scary to think how good that broncos team would be with a decent line and qb. We could've been on the losing end of an embarrassing blowout despite being a worthy super bowl opponent


Lol, was actually about to go to the card room/horse track. Not on drugs though. Have to give you credit for nailing that one

[Edited on February 8, 2016 at 10:46 AM. Reason : A]

2/8/2016 10:44:50 AM

great season by the Panthers. The will be in good shape next year

2/8/2016 2:57:48 PM

I realized today that there are now college students who never experienced a world without the Panthers.

2/8/2016 3:27:51 PM

Quote :

"Benjamin would've given us a better chance to compete but people forget how bad our numbers were on his targets last year. I think we were under 50% completions i know it was one of the lower catch ratings in the league among guys widely considered a good receiver. Granted, cam was dealing with injuries, missed camps, and a whole new receiving corps last season. It's certainly reasonable to assume Benjamin would've improved and theyd be a more effective duo. "

I mean..... yea. But they went 15-1 without him in a passing league . They played out their minds this year. People who aren't Panthers fans still can't name our receiving unit. It was basically Cam and the Pips. Of course you can say our if the number one receiver was out there it may have been different. I mean that's obvious. But maybe not. The Cardinals had all their wide outs and it meant nothing when the defense is breathing on the QBs neck.

Listen I never liked our receiving core. I complained about them every game. Matter of fact I never like the receivers in Panthers' history ( I like smith maybe Muhammad but eh) but wide outs has never been the panthers game and everyone knows it . We arent getting receivers. We are a run happy team.

2/8/2016 5:39:58 PM

^^ go ask high schoolers their memories of 9/11, that's what makes me feel old

[Edited on February 8, 2016 at 6:40 PM. Reason : /]

2/8/2016 6:15:48 PM

Offense overachieved all damn year, caught up to us last night. Couldn't run the ball, receivers couldn't get open, and every time we started to get into a rhythm someone fucked up. If Denver even had a decent offense it would have been 20+ point blowout.

Realistically we should be better next year but nothing is guaranteed in the NFL. Things were looking bright after our 2004 Super Bowl loss but then Steve Smith broke his leg, Dan Morgan couldn't stop getting concussions, Kris Jenkins couldn't stay in shape, and things fell apart. Cam is one hit away from a season ender and Kuechly could be one concussion away from retirement.

Last night wasn't a blowout, Denver isn't a juggernaut and we had our chances to win the game. Sucks to not finish.

2/8/2016 7:18:46 PM

We are a running team because hurney spent too much freaking money at the wrong positions. Gettleman isn't an idiot. If stewart didn't have the worst contract in the league maybe we would have a receiving back or a legitimate #2 wr instead of our deep discount free agents...

Ginn is a nice deep threat, Philly is a special teamer/burner, cotch is ok for a sure handed 3rd dowe guy... funchess was a bit of a disappointment but I think he'll improve a lot next year.

Obviously our schedule probably won't be quite as weak but cam has an opportunity to put up monster numbers next year with benjamin back and he's probably the preseason favorite to win mvp again unless the packers or pats add big name receivers...

My money would be on RW just going off next year though, especially with that rb returning and some continuity with receivers finally.


But given that we have cap space and a few deals we can restructure... very few glaring holes... a young roster... and should be a premiere destination for free agents (especially for veteran team friendly deals from guys looking to join an obvious contender). I can't imagine us not being better statistically next year.

That being said 15-1 with a super bowl appearance is obviously going to be tough to match even if the team is clearly improved

[Edited on February 9, 2016 at 2:13 AM. Reason : A]

2/9/2016 2:09:06 AM

I think this game really came down to big-stage jitters. A couple of major overthrows on Cam's part, inability to get a rhythm after big mishaps, and stupid mistakes on the O-Line that I think would be minimized if the team gets another shot next year. This talent plus one more year of experience and no coaching changes should lead to high expectations.

2/9/2016 2:38:23 AM

It was a good season, but the end was disappointing,
I really want to see a major professional sports title for NC sometime

maybe next year

2/9/2016 2:43:30 AM

Here's what I feel gettleman will do AND my opinion of what our best option is

1) franchise tag Josh norman. Pretty obvious we should not let hIm walk as a free agent but I would rather let hIm walk than sign him to a mega extension. CB mega deals typically backfire as minor nagging injuries really can derail their careers. Plus his value really can't get much higher than it is after this season so the low risk move is to franchise tag him and make him deliver another healthy, elite season at a cost that's In line with what he'd demand on a multi year deal anyway. Gettleman doesn't like to tie too much money up in the secondary but he'd be hard pressed to let him go given our lack of suitable replacements. If we don't franchise him I think he gets like 5/$70 on the open market and franchise is about $14m. Easy decision.

2) Restructure Charles Johnson. Obviously not keeping him at current cap figure. This one is 50/50 between waiving him or restructuring and it really depends more on what CJ is willing to take. We have most of the leverage and given that he's played his career here and we're good i think he'd prefer not to hit the market. This one is really more on Johnson decision to take SLIGHTLY less than market value unless gettleman determines we need someone healthier. Wouldn't want to push his deal out more than one season so if someone Is whispering 3-4 year deals available cut him. Too much risk. And I like johnson, just getting too old/injury prone.

3) Restructure kalil. The cap savings plus replacement cost doesn't quite make sense to cut him IMO. Hes fallen off from his peak but the center market isn't as cheap as it used to be and offensive line continuity especially at center is important. 95% sure we keep him. Worth extending out three years which he'll probably demand.

4) Offer Jared Allen a low ball veteran deal with a voidable clause in year 2. Clearly no way we are paying him 8.5. I think allen would take it. I think this is more likely to keep allen if we let cj go. Need a veteran at DE to instruct our projects.

5) offer stewart one more year. This is actually the toughest decision. We can't cut him so do we let him just play it out and risk him sulking... or give him another season to reduce this year's brutal cap charge. I can't decide which is worse. Goddam hurney and his non voidable deals. Really put us in a bad spot and we had to set this year's land mine by restructuring in years past to sign any help at wr and in the secondary.

6) As far as Star and Short are concerned do you get ahead of the curve and extend them now or let them play it out? Part of me says let's go for the fucking super bowl next year and let em play it out but for out long term cap management we're better off negotiating now while we have leverage. I wouldn't be shocked if we gave them both options and short said he'd prefer to play it out while star takes the payday. We have a lot more leverage with short obviously given that he wasn't an early draft pick.


7) Davis is another tough freaking choice given his injury history. I'd say lets go for the super bowl next year and extend him another year or two. I'm sure he'd take the security and we could definitely use the cap space it would provide. We can't cut him it's all dead money... I know we have Shaq waiting in the wings but $8m cap figure provides us a lot of room to work to find an agreeable figure. Gettleman might not want to sacrifice his long term flexibility though. I don't think he extends davis just for short term cap savings.


8) i think we resign tolbert. He knows he's a good fit here. 2/$3 type deal

9) i think we're clearly keeping oher, coleman, philly, ginn, anderson, gano. Some cap savings but not worth it .

10) let the rest of the secondary go except bene and tre boston.

11) no idea if we plan to bring Norwell back depends on guard market

Bottom line it's hard to make many changes on a 15-1 team.

I'd lean toward extensions this off-season to give us the most free agent money possible then go after 1 big DE, a solid veteran safety, and cheap veteran cb.

In the draft we will almost certainly take DE in the first round and a cb and guard in 2nd or 3rd... perhaps another pass rusher and certainly bring in several late round or undrafted rbs and cbs... gettleman knows we are toon thin at pass rush and oline and secondary has to be revamped. And skill positions don't make a ton of sense early for us next year.

[Edited on February 9, 2016 at 3:08 AM. Reason : A]

2/9/2016 3:03:41 AM

^My take on a few of those.

Cutting Charles Johnson and Jared Allen saves us 19.5 million against the cap(after penalties), so those 2 will either take much more cap-friendly numbers, or they'll be released, can't eat either of those contracts really. The way Ealy played this year, don't think we'll fill forced to keep either of those guys on roster if the numbers don't work out. Also a huge DE class this year in the draft.

Tolbert will be brought back as long as it's at a price-tag we can stomach. FB's aren't really commanding a ton of money these days.

JNo will get a franchise tag or a deal, depending on his demands, I can't see making him a top 5 paid CB but I also don't see him giving us a discount after not having a big contract yet. Don't want him pouting or upset with the organization about having to be franchised.

No way Short takes a deal from us, he can play out his last year and look at top 5 DT money if he has a year equal to this year. Lotulelei we probably could get something worked out with, his pricetag won't be as high based on production.

Davis is signed through 2018, no way we do anything with his deal, maybe ask him to restructure to help the cap but I doubt it after what he has sacrificed for this team.

I'm on-board with Kalil restructuring to save some money and hopefully sign Norwell to a reasonable number. Norwell had a really strong year and strength of our OL is the middle, so have to make sure we keep that together.

Remmers...eh...if he's cheap enough I say keep him if only for depth and to start until whoever we draft(or Williams from last year's draft) are ready to play. After this past season, and the SB, no way he commands a ton of money.

Let Harper retire. If Tillman wants to come back on a cheap deal, I'm fine with that, great veteran leader and played well at times this year. Let Finnegan and McClain go, move forwards with JNo, Bene, and Tillman and hope to hit in the draft or bring in another vet.

Top 3 needs in the draft are DE, CB, and SS. We don't want Tre Boston starting for our team next year if we can avoid it. Ideally we can find some veterans to fill some of these holes as we draft and hopefully find some eventual starters. Maybe Mario Williams will give the home-team a discount for a chance to make a run at the SB.

2/9/2016 8:54:11 AM

Quote :

"In the draft we will almost certainly take DE in the first round and a cb and guard in 2nd or 3rd... perhaps another pass rusher and certainly bring in several late round or undrafted rbs and cbs... gettleman knows we are toon thin at pass rush and oline and secondary has to be revamped. And skill positions don't make a ton of sense early for us next year."

Gettleman doesn't draft for need. He's a BPA guy and it's paid dividends to this point. The last thing we should be doing is reaching for need in the first half of the draft and missing.

2/9/2016 10:00:14 AM

Also franchising Norman doesn't save us a ton, the franchise tender for CB last season was right above $13 million.

2/9/2016 11:31:46 AM

2/9/2016 5:09:09 PM

BanjoMan just found a new pic to beat to

2/9/2016 5:19:00 PM

Shula has a brilliant offensive strategy.



ONE brilliant offensive strategy, and if that gets shut down due to defensive gameplanning and limitations of offensive personnel (WRs can't get separation OTs can't block their man) he can't make adjustments.

He's like Chip Kelly with less hype.

2/9/2016 5:23:06 PM

Yeah, I think any minor worries that somebody would snag him up for another team's HC position got squashed for the time being.

2/9/2016 6:00:17 PM

^^ Shula had a terrific year, but all anybody remembers is the last game.

He repeatedly showed great play design I thought, and got everything he could out of the skill guys he had mixed with Cam's ability. There were times that he had some A+ playcalling during the season too. We completely fooled defenses at points.

There's something to be said with consistency with quarterbacks and coaches. They're going to continue to evolve this offense with some new parts from FA and the draft. This O could put up some serious numbers next year.

2/9/2016 6:31:26 PM

^why no adjustments late in the game though, it seemed like we desperately needed some three step drop plays on those key drives we blew ass in the fourth quarter, just not something our offense is very good at? could have been cam's fault trying to do too much and holding on to the ball too, problem with tv is you can't really see what the receivers were doing

2/9/2016 7:10:55 PM

I think when you look our list of free agents, it's clear we need to prioritize defensive back in the draft. Harper, Tillman, and Finnegan will all likely be gone. Even if we resign him, Norman is going to be 29 next year and cornerbacks decline quick. Boston and Benwikere are young but average. Coleman is a great piece and fit for our defense who I hope stick around for a while, but other than him we are desperately lacking youth and talent in the secondary. A lot of people are projecting a DE to us but even in a deep draft we won't get a day one three down starter at 30. I think we'll have a much better chance at getting a strong safety or cornerback who can contribute right away picking that low.

2/9/2016 7:15:01 PM

^^ I'm not defending his game in the super bowl btw. I'm just saying he's had a great year and one game shouldn't detract from the process.

I don't know why he didn't make adjustments. Maybe a screen or two, or how about try and throw on 1st down? He didn't have a great night, but a lot of our coaches and team had the same.

2/9/2016 7:38:29 PM

Quote :

"I really want to see a major professional sports title for NC sometime "

Even our own fans forget that the Canes have a cup.

2/9/2016 9:01:23 PM

Hockey is not a major professional sport, okay?

2/9/2016 9:28:52 PM

Remmers will be back 100% he's an rfa. No Gm on the planet is dumb enough to let a starting tackle go that cheap.

You don't save money the year you franchise you save future flexibility. Gettleman doesn't want to give him a big deal because it handcuffs us and doesn't fit in our strategy. The obvious solution is to franchise him and re evaluate next year. Who cares if it angers him, it angers everyone. It's the most unfair rule in sports to make great players play with no deal. But it's a tool every gm uses to their advantage.

Short could absolutely be extended. If we do it now it will be much cheaper in the long run obviously but more expensive and risky up front... because he's on his rookie deal still. Hes trading $$$ for security, that's just how it works. Kuechly took the guaranteed money...much like star probably will since he's a high pick. Short has to sacrifice more money...but I agree he's clearly more likely to play it out. But remember he's not rich yet... maybe he'd rather have security.

Gettleman isn't a "bpa" guy. He says that because the average fan isn't smart enough to understand what he means. We aren't drafting a qb #1 ok.

With Thomas davis you either have to cut him next year and pay him ~$4m anyway or pay him $8.5m to keep him. If you're definitely going to keep him next year it's smatter to renegotiate and give him more guaranteed money so he counts less against the cap the next two years. If you're planning to cut him then yeah don't touch his deal and just cut him or jew him down next year. It's not that simple this salary cap talk. With Shaq waiting in the wings and davis injury hi story i think he will be hesitant to guarantee davis anymore money.

It really depends on whether you wanna go balls out for the super bowl next year, or keep flexibility for multiple seasons.

New Orleans went balls out and eventually it cripples you... I think for job security, our youth, his plan, etc he goes with the long term plan instead of the "extend and pretend" type deals.

He didn't clean up our books just to give us a 1-2 year window.

Also if you go back a few years you can see the year we went 12-4 i thought we shoulda cut stewart, deangelo, etc and just bagged it so we'd be LOADED this past season and next year... wish we had

[Edited on February 10, 2016 at 5:23 AM. Reason : A]

2/10/2016 5:20:52 AM

The average fan just doesn't understand the salary cap because the media doesn't report it correctly.

They say "Jonathan stewart haso agreed to restructure to free up $x.x my in 2016 salary cap space"

And the average fan just smiles and says "wow what a nice guy he's a team player".

The reality is 95% of the time he is simply allowing us to CONVERT non guaranteed money into guaranteed money. Guaranteed money can be spread across the remaining years of his deal. In effect reducing his cap hit that season but increasing his burden on the team iname future years. (Particularly if he's unhealthy or unproductive later in his career).

Ultimately this creates situations where in the last year of a players deal heither has a ghastly cap number like charles Johnsons $20m this year... Johnson and his agent both know there is 0% chance we will keep him this year under that figure. It's up to him to determine if he'd like to work to restructure it with us.. or take a combination of what we owe him and what his new team would pay. However since he's under contract with us he can't ask or negotiate with them directly so it's a bit of a leap of faith.

Though obviously his agent is out there having wink wink conversations with people around the league so it's not a total guess.


This is where hurneys total lack ofor understanding killed us because none of our guys were signed to deals with voidable final years. Gettleman's intricate knowledge and thrifty strategy has been vastly underrated. What he's accomplished has been nothing short of incredible given the hell we were in when he took over.

[Edited on February 10, 2016 at 5:43 AM. Reason : A]

[Edited on February 10, 2016 at 5:44 AM. Reason : A]

2/10/2016 5:40:16 AM