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[Edited on November 22, 2005 at 10:55 PM. Reason : i wanna go watch.]

11/22/2005 10:49:14 PM

I'm watchin pilgrim now playin PLO...

I've never played it before and this Hi/Lo shit is confusin the piss outta me

11/22/2005 10:54:11 PM

remember, the goal is to win the whole pot...dont try and use half the pot as your way to get out...you will prolly get screwed.

11/22/2005 10:55:52 PM

so half the pot goes to the best hand and half to the worst?

11/22/2005 10:57:12 PM

i cant beleive i just donked off 15k chips on that shit on the bubble. (in the deep stack)

that was breaking one oof my cardinal rules of omaha. and ive violated my two rules three times int his tournament.


Got some work to do now.



(the plo8 tournament im just fucking around, its another forums challenge night or whatever... playing plo and plo8 at the same time is fucking me up hard)

[Edited on November 22, 2005 at 11:02 PM. Reason : eradsfa ]

11/22/2005 11:01:15 PM

dude, im trying to find this tourney, where the fuck is it

11/22/2005 11:02:34 PM

im in a private and a deep stack thats started at 615


the private tournament started at 1005 or so


Bonus Whores Hodown plo8

11/22/2005 11:04:38 PM

is the only diff. the hi/lo?

11/22/2005 11:08:05 PM

heres the one.



total and utter garbage.


by the way hes been playing i thought he just spiked a deuce.

PokerStars Game #3132397777: Tournament #15369781, Omaha Pot Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2005/11/22 - 22:53:19 (ET)
Table '15369781 8' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: 1DAY1WAY (38490 in chips)
Seat 2: Merritt (43545 in chips)
Seat 3: BLACKJACK6 (25480 in chips)
Seat 5: cruisifier (42427 in chips)
Seat 6: castrum (18410 in chips)
Seat 7: CookieMaker (2873 in chips)
Seat 8: LDragon (23326 in chips)
Seat 9: pilgrimshoes (38668 in chips)
LDragon: posts small blind 300
pilgrimshoes: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pilgrimshoes [8d Ts Jc Qc]
1DAY1WAY: folds
Merritt: folds
BLACKJACK6: raises 600 to 1200
cruisifier: folds
castrum: calls 1200
CookieMaker: folds
LDragon: folds
pilgrimshoes: calls 600
*** FLOP *** [Qs Kc Qd]
pilgrimshoes: checks
BLACKJACK6: checks
castrum: checks
*** TURN *** [Qs Kc Qd] [2c]
pilgrimshoes: bets 1800
BLACKJACK6: folds
castrum: calls 1800
*** RIVER *** [Qs Kc Qd 2c] [2s]
pilgrimshoes: bets 1800
castrum: raises 11100 to 12900
pilgrimshoes: calls 11100
*** SHOW DOWN ***
castrum: shows [Kd 9d Tc Kh] (a full house, Kings full of Queens)
pilgrimshoes: mucks hand
castrum collected 33300 from pot
pilgrimshoes said, "goddamnit"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 33300 | Rake 0
Board [Qs Kc Qd 2c 2s]
Seat 1: 1DAY1WAY folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Merritt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: BLACKJACK6 folded on the Turn
Seat 5: cruisifier folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: castrum showed [Kd 9d Tc Kh] and won (33300) with a full house, Kings full of Queens
Seat 7: CookieMaker (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: LDragon (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: pilgrimshoes (big blind) mucked [8d Ts Jc Qc]

11/22/2005 11:08:39 PM

its time to get aggro on the deep stack.

11/22/2005 11:10:36 PM

that hand will help

jesus.. 5 hrs into the tourny and not in the money yet... gotta love deep stacks

[Edited on November 22, 2005 at 11:14 PM. Reason : .]

11/22/2005 11:12:19 PM

pssst i raise alot short handed

11/22/2005 11:16:58 PM

i'm not even watchin the whores game.. too damn confusing.. i'm watchin you in the deep stacks with hyper-aggro guy down there

11/22/2005 11:19:31 PM

Quote :

"so half the pot goes to the best hand and half to the worst?"

Goes to higest and lowest...im used to playing hi/lo stud so i am thinking this concept is still the same...now as far as stategy...you have to ask someone else...im just starting to do decently in Omaha.

11/22/2005 11:23:32 PM

A2345 is nut low,

count from high card down when comparing,

play for the whole pot




lesson one complete.

11/22/2005 11:24:56 PM

highest = best hand

lowest = lowest 5 cards not pairing? or can they pair? or does it not matter?

11/22/2005 11:27:29 PM

cant pair, that counterfeited.

11/22/2005 11:28:51 PM

^Teach me how to not lose my money anymore




But seriously, im going to make u my poker tutor...'long wit sum urther peeps.

[Edited on November 22, 2005 at 11:34 PM. Reason : 4wfgd]

11/22/2005 11:31:27 PM

oh.. what i failed to realize is that two of your cards go to a high and two go to a lo..

didn't realize you couldn't "reuse" cards

11/22/2005 11:33:47 PM

sorry its not more entertaining,

i aint gettin gshit to play with

11/22/2005 11:40:51 PM

at least you made the money

11/22/2005 11:42:16 PM

Yeah, but making the money isnt where the money is.

top three is where the ROI is noiiiiiiiiiiiiice

11/22/2005 11:43:51 PM

gotta love how the software is fucked up and the BB skips you

11/23/2005 12:00:42 AM

yeah, thats pretty hot

11/23/2005 12:01:04 AM

that ont he other hand, wasnt supposed to happen

5.5 hours for $100.

(both tournaments)

not really worth it.

[Edited on November 23, 2005 at 12:04 AM. Reason : blew another one]

11/23/2005 12:03:31 AM

lol... your play was screaming "DON'T CALL ME!"

11/23/2005 12:04:21 AM

eh

i mean, i had alot of outs as it turns out, so its about all i could ask for with ~ 13 BB on the button, and being severly short stacked.

I mean, i could have hovered till the next pay scale, but my value was more for getting more chips than getting whiddled away for another like $40.

[Edited on November 23, 2005 at 12:06 AM. Reason : need mroe sleeep less b eeeeeerr]

11/23/2005 12:06:02 AM

you still playing pilgrim? im playing some he right now, but i'd switch to omaha or stud8 if ya wanted

11/23/2005 1:11:39 AM

yeah, rockin a 100 plo8 and a 5/10 lo8

i could do some stud8

[Edited on November 23, 2005 at 1:27 AM. Reason : whoops]

11/23/2005 1:27:30 AM

damn.. wish i woulda woke up sooner.. i would have played in that 20 NL with ya pilgrim

11/23/2005 12:33:50 PM

some enjoyable hands from the night session.


"hit both, but oh wait, im fucked.

Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2005/11/23 -
Table 'Undina' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: smooth as ($48.70 in chips)
Seat 2: seminole28 ($242.40 in chips)
Seat 3: MM23 ($267.85 in chips)
Seat 4: mrlucky122 ($131.95 in chips)
Seat 5: dougmanct ($200 in chips)
Seat 6: mako41 ($46.45 in chips)
Seat 7: pokerpb ($110.80 in chips)
Seat 8: pilgrimshoes ($104.85 in chips)
Seat 9: Mikeplaya ($546.55 in chips)
pokerpb: posts small blind $1
pilgrimshoes: posts big blind $2
dougmanct: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pilgrimshoes [Ad 5s Ac 5c]
Mikeplaya: folds
smooth as: folds
seminole28: calls $2
MM23: folds
mrlucky122: folds
dougmanct: checks
mako41: folds
pokerpb: calls $1
pilgrimshoes: raises $8 to $10
seminole28: folds
dougmanct: folds
Mikeplaya is sitting out
pokerpb: calls $8
*** FLOP *** [As Ts 5h]
pokerpb: checks
Mikeplaya leaves the table
pilgrimshoes: bets $16
pokerpb: calls $16
*** TURN *** [As Ts 5h] [Kh]
pokerpb: bets $53.30


What is your line here and why?





number two. think i could have gotten any more value out of this?


PokerStars Game #3141129388: Omaha Hi/Lo Limit ($10/$20) - 2005/11/23 -
Table 'Hungaria III' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: KatmanAKs ($130 in chips)
Seat 2: Royalbadoon ($183 in chips)
Seat 3: tucaluc ($170 in chips)
Seat 4: gshill ($938 in chips)
Seat 5: pilgrimshoes ($369.50 in chips)
Seat 6: pfkaok ($670 in chips)
Seat 7: papad ($729 in chips)
Seat 8: kenny9 ($145 in chips)
Seat 10: SCAP1313 ($954 in chips)
Royalbadoon: posts small blind $5
tucaluc: posts big blind $10
rjb2130: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pilgrimshoes [Tc Ah 2h 9h]
gshill: calls $10
pilgrimshoes: calls $10
pfkaok: folds
papad: folds
kenny9: folds
SCAP1313: raises $10 to $20
KatmanAKs: folds
Royalbadoon: calls $15
tucaluc: calls $10
gshill: calls $10
pilgrimshoes: calls $10
*** FLOP *** [3h Kh 7s]
Royalbadoon: checks
tucaluc: bets $10
gshill: calls $10
pilgrimshoes: raises $10 to $20
SCAP1313: calls $20
Royalbadoon: folds
tucaluc: calls $10
gshill: calls $10
*** TURN *** [3h Kh 7s] [Jc]
tucaluc: checks
gshill: checks
pilgrimshoes: bets $20
SCAP1313: calls $20
tucaluc: calls $20
gshill: calls $20
*** RIVER *** [3h Kh 7s Jc] [4c]
tucaluc: checks
gshill: checks
pilgrimshoes: bets $20
SCAP1313: calls $20
tucaluc: calls $20
gshill: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***


try and check raise any streets?

flop maybe?

im not sure, but i dont think i extracted the max here.

[Edited on November 23, 2005 at 11:32 PM. Reason : adlfja;sd]

11/23/2005 11:28:53 PM

btw, i wish i had the roll to play the 75/150 lo8 on stars.

its always bangin.

11/23/2005 11:51:55 PM

There is nothing I hate worse than dropping $200 on the last three hands of a $120 bonus.

at least I still made ~$400 on it.


but frustrating.

11/24/2005 1:53:55 AM

Ok,

I know im the only one poasting int his thread,

but this hand has been biting me in the ass for the past 45 minutes while cleaning and folding laundry.

setup:

I was playing a 10/20 limit omaha 8/b and a 15/30 limit omaha 8/b cash games at the same time this went down, so you obviously know where my attention was being held. This was a $0.50/$1.00 pot limit omaha hi/lo 8/b table, playing with a fellow poster at a few other omaha forums i frequent. so basically what I am saying is that hes very, very solid.

relavent stack sizes.

me: $114. in the hijack
him: $135 in the SB.

a few limpers around to me with Ad 2d 6h Js, so I pot it. (raise to $6.50) (this may be questionable, but it's been shown how much I change gears in plo8.)
CO folds, button folds, SB calls, BB folds. all limpers fold.

pot size: $18



flop comes 8d 6d Kc

SB checks,

I pot it again. SB calls.

pot size: $54

Turn comes a Ts

SB pots it to me., a bet of $54.

Heres the problem. I have a $54 dollar bet infront of me, with $89 remaining (prior to any action ont his street) in my stack.

I have a superb drawing hand, and am getting 2:1 on the call.

What is your play? I want you to really think about this, before you scroll down. Think about what play you make given your stack sizes, what range you put the SB on, and what you should do. What you should do is totally dependant on the range you put the SB on, and how you feel about the pot as a whole. When you have come to a conclusion, scroll down. This really seems to be a problem with my pot limit omaha 8/b play. It is a concept that I beleive is vastly overlooked in cash game poker, but seems to be well understood in players that really concentrate on tournament poker. (esp. nlhe tournament players)









Ok nm, ill post my thoughts tommorow, the g/f just got here.




(in depth analysis, i promise. But i want to hear a few of your ideas first.)

11/24/2005 2:59:17 AM

Knowing the guy was pretty solid, maybe put in on trip kings or two diam with one being a king, aces or even a hand similar to yours.

I'm very "by the book" so with what you have, what you would put him on, I'd play like this (I'm quite conservative):

In the worst case scenario, he has trip kings, then you have 10 outs (6 diamonds and 4 queens) 4 diam are in play, you dont want Kd nor 10d, and the queen is accounted for. If you are only gettin 2:1, then I'd say fold.

If you put him on Aces or two pair, then you have 12 outs(two 6s), still not enough for me, so I'd fold.





Shit.. after I typed all this, I looked up there and saw that it was Hi/Lo.. something I still haven't got a complete grasp for.. This all might be completely irrelevant/dumb to all you great players, but thats how I would have handled a regular Omaha game. But you told me that you should always play for the whole pot, so the Hi part is covered above...

11/24/2005 6:59:45 AM

i would fold the last hand in question.....

Quote :

"try and check raise any streets?"

i don't think that would've grown the pot any, seems to me like he would've checked it right behind you trying to fill his low, or whatever he was drawing at

11/24/2005 9:21:08 AM

Finally made my big breakthrough last night ...

11/24/2005 9:15:14 PM

nice work

11/24/2005 9:29:46 PM

100 hands in tonight,

and ive lost with quads twice already.


GODFUCK


*** RIVER *** [6d 7h 8s 7s] [5s]
Mormak: bets $10
ME: raises $10 to $20
GraceNMercy: calls $20
Mormak: raises $10 to $30
ME: raises $10 to $40
Betting is capped
GraceNMercy: calls $20
Mormak: calls $10
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ME: shows [7c Kc 7d Jh] (HI: four of a kind, Sevens)
GraceNMercy: shows [5c As Ad 4h] (HI: a straight, Four to Eight; LO: 7,6,5,4,A)
Mormak: shows [5h 6s 9s 5d] (HI: a straight flush, Five to Nine)
Mormak collected $103.50 from pot
GraceNMercy collected $103.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $210 | Rake $3
Board [6d 7h 8s 7s 5s]
Seat 1: SlyGrin (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Mormak (small blind) showed [5h 6s 9s 5d] and won ($103.50) with HI: a straight flush, Five to Nine
Seat 3: ME (big blind) showed [7c Kc 7d Jh] and lost with HI: four of a kind, Sevens
Seat 4: GraceNMercy showed [5c As Ad 4h] and won ($103.50) with HI: a straight, Four to Eight; LO: 7,6,5,4,A


In the bb for free.

[Edited on November 24, 2005 at 11:58 PM. Reason : f0ck]




btw,


some more input on the last hand i posted last night.

its rather interesting i think.

[Edited on November 25, 2005 at 12:04 AM. Reason : e]

11/24/2005 11:53:37 PM

Playing in my first rebuy tourney and god damn, is it a fucking all in fest. Its like playing in a freeroll.

11/25/2005 1:52:36 AM

low limti rebuy tournaments are fucking ridiculous

11/25/2005 2:01:14 AM

I found that out the hardway. I thought I would play in a $5 one just for fun. If you can make it to the final table though it pays our really well since everyone has bought in like 10 times.


Anyone watching or seen the tourney on Fox Sports right now. They are having a badass single table tourney for $1mil. Its got Jesus, Hellmuth, Matusow, Ivey, Devil Fish, Juwanda, and Gus Hanson. Very good tourney.

[Edited on November 25, 2005 at 2:08 AM. Reason : .]

11/25/2005 2:05:11 AM

youve got to go in knowing that you will more than likely end up buying about five times.

and play crazy asanine for the first hour

11/25/2005 2:07:20 AM

I love fuckers who go all in on draws and chase like this.


Stage #233231073: Holdem No Limit $0.25 - 2005-11-25 12:59:45 (ET)
Table: CEDAR PL (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - BHS_SOLACE ($19.50 in chips)
Seat 2 - STAFFSLAD ($10.50 in chips)
Seat 3 - PHISHN4NUTS ($62.85 in chips)
Seat 4 - RODGER33 ($65.40 in chips)
Seat 6 - HELLLMOUTH ($28.30 in chips)
Seat 7 - SONNYT ($24.10 in chips)
Seat 8 - DAISIE0X0X ($20.65 in chips)
Seat 9 - G MONEY 420 ($25.55 in chips)
STAFFSLAD - Posts small blind $0.25
PHISHN4NUTS - Posts big blind $0.50
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to HELLLMOUTH [As Qh]
RODGER33 - Folds
HELLLMOUTH - Raises $1.50 to $1.50
SONNYT - Calls $1.50
DAISIE0X0X - Calls $1.50
G MONEY 420 - Folds
BHS_SOLACE - Folds
STAFFSLAD - Calls $1.25
PHISHN4NUTS - Folds
*** FLOP *** [6c Qc Js]
STAFFSLAD - Bets $1
HELLLMOUTH - Raises $9 to $9
SONNYT - Calls $9
DAISIE0X0X - Folds
STAFFSLAD - All-In $8
*** TURN *** [6c Qc Js] [2h]
HELLLMOUTH - All-In $17.80
SONNYT - All-In $13.60
HELLLMOUTH - returned ($4.20) : not called
*** RIVER *** [6c Qc Js 2h] [7h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
STAFFSLAD - Shows [10c 9c] (queen high)
HELLLMOUTH - Shows [As Qh] (One pair, queens)
SONNYT - Shows [3c Ac] (ace high)
HELLLMOUTH Collects $25.90 from side pot-1
HELLLMOUTH Collects $31.80 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($60.70:$33.50,$27.20) | Rake ($3:$1.70,$1.30)
Board [6c Qc Js 2h 7h]
Seat 1: BHS_SOLACE (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: STAFFSLAD (small blind) HI:lost with queen high [10c 9c - B:Qc,B:Js,P:10c,P:9c,B:7h]
Seat 3: PHISHN4NUTS (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: RODGER33 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: HELLLMOUTH won Total ($57.70) All-In HI$57.70) with One pair, queens [As Qh - P:Qh,B:Qc,P:As,B:Js,B:7h]
Seat 7: SONNYT HI:lost with ace high [3c Ac - P:Ac,B:Qc,B:Js,B:7h,B:6c]
Seat 8: DAISIE0X0X Folded on the FLOP
Seat 9: G MONEY 420 Folded on the POCKET CARDS

11/25/2005 1:05:12 PM

Still have no clue why this moron called a third of his stack with 88

Stage #248742704 Tourney ID 52560 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $50 - 2005-11-25 17:51:08 (ET)
Table: 55 (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 1 - LEMON1 ($4210 in chips)
Seat 2 - DILLICIOUS2 ($1580 in chips)
Seat 3 - CALAMITYJANE ($435 in chips)
Seat 4 - JUST4FUN52 ($3115 in chips)
Seat 5 - Z_MANN ($9425 in chips)
Seat 6 - HELLLMOUTH ($2305 in chips)
Seat 7 - HVACMAN44 ($1160 in chips)
Seat 8 - GTRUCKER ($6780 in chips)
Seat 9 - MUTTAN ($2545 in chips)
HELLLMOUTH - Posts small blind $50
HVACMAN44 - Posts big blind $100
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to HELLLMOUTH [Qs 10d]
GTRUCKER - Calls $100
MUTTAN - Folds
LEMON1 - Calls $100
DILLICIOUS2 - Folds
CALAMITYJANE - Folds
JUST4FUN52 - Folds
Z_MANN - Raises $300 to $300
HELLLMOUTH - Calls $250
HVACMAN44 - Folds
GTRUCKER - Calls $200
LEMON1 - Calls $200
*** FLOP *** [Qd 9c Qh]
HELLLMOUTH - Checks
GTRUCKER - Bets $300
LEMON1 - Folds
Z_MANN - Calls $300
HELLLMOUTH - All-In(Raise) $2005 to $2005
GTRUCKER - Calls $1705
Z_MANN - Folds
*** TURN *** [Qd 9c Qh] [Kc]
*** RIVER *** [Qd 9c Qh Kc] [8s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HELLLMOUTH - Shows [Qs 10d] (Three of a kind, queens)
GTRUCKER - Shows [8c 8d] (Full house, eights full of queens)
GTRUCKER Collects $5610 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($5610)
Board [Qd 9c Qh Kc 8s]
Seat 1: LEMON1 Folded on the FLOP
Seat 2: DILLICIOUS2 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: CALAMITYJANE Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: JUST4FUN52 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: Z_MANN (dealer) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 6: HELLLMOUTH (small blind) HI:lost with Three of a kind, queens [Qs 10d - P:Qs,B:Qh,B:Qd,B:Kc,P:10d]
Seat 7: HVACMAN44 (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: GTRUCKER won Total ($5610) HI$5610) with Full house, eights full of queens [8c 8d - B:8s,P:8d,P:8c,B:Qh,B:Qd]
Seat 9: MUTTAN Folded on the POCKET CARDS




Its shit like this that just wears you out after it happens over and over. Guy has two outs to beat me, and of course, he hits it.

[Edited on November 25, 2005 at 5:56 PM. Reason : .]

11/25/2005 5:54:35 PM

But, then the poker gods shine down upon you and give it all back


Stage #233524460: Holdem No Limit $0.25 - 2005-11-25 20:25:29 (ET)
Table: CEDAR PL (Real Money) Seat #9 is the dealer
Seat 9 - POUNDCAKE ($99.90 in chips)
Seat 1 - SHAMOANMF ($28.15 in chips)
Seat 3 - TONY7KP ($24.70 in chips)
Seat 4 - HELLLMOUTH ($27.05 in chips)
Seat 5 - BLOMBEROS ($83.05 in chips)
Seat 6 - SCHAF33 ($17.25 in chips)
Seat 7 - OBSY1 ($28.50 in chips)
SHAMOANMF - Posts small blind $0.25
HELLLMOUTH - Posts big blind $0.50
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to HELLLMOUTH [8s 10h]
BLOMBEROS - Calls $0.50
SCHAF33 - Calls $0.50
OBSY1 - Calls $0.50
POUNDCAKE - Folds
SHAMOANMF - Calls $0.25
HELLLMOUTH - Checks
*** FLOP *** [9h As Jh]
SHAMOANMF - Checks
HELLLMOUTH - Checks
BLOMBEROS - Bets $3
SCHAF33 - Calls $3
OBSY1 - Folds
SHAMOANMF - Folds
HELLLMOUTH - Calls $3
*** TURN *** [9h As Jh] [7d]
HELLLMOUTH - Checks
BLOMBEROS - Bets $10.50
SCHAF33 - All-In(Raise) $13.75 to $13.75
HELLLMOUTH - All-In(Raise) $23.55 to $23.55
BLOMBEROS - Calls $13.05
*** RIVER *** [9h As Jh 7d] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HELLLMOUTH - Shows [8s 10h] (Straight, seven to jack)
BLOMBEROS - Shows [9d 9s] (Three of a kind, nines)
SCHAF33 - Shows [7h Ac] (Two Pairs, aces and sevens)
HELLLMOUTH Collects $18.80 from side pot-1
HELLLMOUTH Collects $50.55 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($72.35:$52.75,$19.60) | Rake ($3:$2.20,$0.80)
Board [9h As Jh 7d 8c]
Seat 1: SHAMOANMF (small blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 4: HELLLMOUTH (big blind) won Total ($69.35) All-In HI$69.35) with Straight, seven to jack [8s 10h - B:Jh,P:10h,B:9h,P:8s,B:7d]
Seat 5: BLOMBEROS HI:lost with Three of a kind, nines [9d 9s - P:9s,B:9h,P:9d,B:As,B:Jh]
Seat 6: SCHAF33 HI:lost with Two Pairs, aces and sevens [7h Ac - B:As,P:Ac,P:7h,B:7d,B:Jh]
Seat 7: OBSY1 Folded on the FLOP
Seat 9: POUNDCAKE (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS

11/25/2005 8:34:57 PM

Quote :

"Heres the problem. I have a $54 dollar bet infront of me, with $89 remaining (prior to any action ont his street) in my stack. I have a superb drawing hand, and am getting 2:1 on the call. What is your play?"

He called from the SB with limpers yet to act, called your bet on the flop , then potted it on the turn. I'd probably look at it like this in trying to gage the guy's hand strength:

1) The Nuts - Not likely, since you bet the flop you'll probably fire again on the turn. If he had an unbeatable hand then betting makes no sense.

2) Strong hand - Makes more sense, this looks like a value/protecting hand type bet assuming this guy plays solid. The 10 doesn't make a low hand yet, and maybe this guy thinks he can drive you out now before you complete a low on the river.

3) Drawing hand - You know he doesn't have the nut flush, and if he had a straight draw he just hit it, so either way betting makes no sense. You showed strength, so it's unlikely he's bluffing. This bet commits you to fold or go all-in now or on the river, so odds are you're along for the ride.


The best Hi hand right now is J-9 for a straight, but I find it unlikely he called a pot-sized bet from the SB with a J-9 in his hand. I agree that a set is the likely holding for the Hi.

The low is a toss-up. If he's a decent player he should expect you to have A2 considering you potted it preflop with a decent list of limpers. The reason I hesitate to discount his low is that he called way out of position. A strong player however doesn't bet the pot with no established low hand and no Hi hand.

He's likely trying to protect his hand. There's a strong possibility you're quartered on the low and drawing to 10 outs on the river for the Hi. You're likely dumping the rest of your money in on the river out of pot odds and sheer curiosity, so I consider the bet to be $89 into a $145 pot. If this guy is solid, I think folding is perfectly reasonable. If however you think you're nut low draw is good, I just as easily might throw the chips in the middle and hope for the best.

I say it's a fold, but barely.

11/26/2005 1:36:34 AM

Quote :

"The Nuts - Not likely, since you bet the flop you'll probably fire again on the turn. If he had an unbeatable hand then betting makes no sense."

i don't really like that philosophy for omaha hi, or split especially

i mean it's ok every now and then, but not as a rule, make them pay to fill their draws

11/26/2005 2:18:22 AM

This is why I play drunk...YUMMMY!!!

Stage #233709880: Holdem No Limit $1 - 2005-11-26 05:37:02 (ET)
Table: ORIOLE AVE (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 - SCORPION001 ($308.72 in chips)
Seat 6 - SPANKMEE ($392.50 in chips)
Seat 7 - BOXHEAD ($245.05 in chips)
Seat 8 - MISTERMANNN ($76 in chips)
Seat 9 - EL QUACKITO ($437.32 in chips)
Seat 1 - PRIMETIME32 ($406.05 in chips)
Seat 2 - AMRLLOSLICK ($432.95 in chips)
Seat 3 - HELLLMOUTH ($71 in chips)
Seat 4 - MARKSUMMERS ($401 in chips)
SPANKMEE - Posts small blind $1
BOXHEAD - Posts big blind $2
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to HELLLMOUTH [7h Kh]
MISTERMANNN - Folds
EL QUACKITO - Folds
PRIMETIME32 - Folds
AMRLLOSLICK - Calls $2
HELLLMOUTH - Calls $2
MARKSUMMERS - Folds
SCORPION001 - Calls $2
SPANKMEE - Raises $9 to $10
BOXHEAD - Folds
AMRLLOSLICK - Calls $8
HELLLMOUTH - Calls $8
SCORPION001 - Calls $8
*** FLOP *** [2c 9c 7s]
SPANKMEE - Bets $14
AMRLLOSLICK - Calls $14
HELLLMOUTH - All-In(Raise) $61 to $61
SCORPION001 - Folds
SPANKMEE - Calls $47
AMRLLOSLICK - Folds
*** TURN *** [2c 9c 7s] [2h]
*** RIVER *** [2c 9c 7s 2h] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HELLLMOUTH - Shows [7h Kh] (Full house, sevens full of twos)
SPANKMEE - Shows [Qc Ac] (Flush, ace high)
HELLLMOUTH Collects $175 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($178) | Rake ($3)
Board [2c 9c 7s 2h 7c]
Seat 1: PRIMETIME32 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: AMRLLOSLICK Folded on the FLOP
Seat 3: HELLLMOUTH won Total ($175) All-In HI$175) with Full house, sevens full of twos [7h Kh - B:7s,P:7h,B:7c,B:2h,B:2c]
Seat 4: MARKSUMMERS Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: SCORPION001 (dealer) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 6: SPANKMEE (small blind) HI:lost with Flush, ace high [Qc Ac - P:Ac,P:Qc,B:9c,B:7c,B:2c]
Seat 7: BOXHEAD (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: MISTERMANNN Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: EL QUACKITO Folded on the POCKET CARDS

11/26/2005 2:24:00 AM

Just when you thought it couldnt get any worse.....this was a few hands before that one.



Stage #233661680: Holdem No Limit $1 - 2005-11-26 04:27:55 (ET)
Table: ORIOLE AVE (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 - LCFDFIREMAN ($95.35 in chips)
Seat 6 - DAUNIBALLER ($48.06 in chips)
Seat 7 - HELLLMOUTH ($95.45 in chips)
Seat 8 - HOTTIE123 ($113 in chips)
Seat 9 - EL QUACKITO ($381.07 in chips)
Seat 1 - JNGLEGEO ($69.02 in chips)
Seat 2 - AMRLLOSLICK ($64.92 in chips)
Seat 3 - SHOCKER904 ($121.60 in chips)
Seat 4 - DAISIE0X0X ($80 in chips)
DAUNIBALLER - Posts small blind $1
HELLLMOUTH - Posts big blind $2
DAISIE0X0X - Posts $2
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to HELLLMOUTH [9h 2h]
HOTTIE123 - Calls $2
EL QUACKITO - Folds
JNGLEGEO - Folds
AMRLLOSLICK - Calls $2
SHOCKER904 - Folds
DAISIE0X0X - Checks
LCFDFIREMAN - Folds
DAUNIBALLER - Calls $1
HELLLMOUTH - Checks
*** FLOP *** [6c 8d 9d]
DAUNIBALLER - Bets $2
HELLLMOUTH - Raises $12 to $12
HOTTIE123 - Folds
AMRLLOSLICK - Folds
DAISIE0X0X - Folds
DAUNIBALLER - All-In(Raise) $44.06 to $46.06
HELLLMOUTH - Calls $34.06
*** TURN *** [6c 8d 9d] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [6c 8d 9d 5s] [5h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DAUNIBALLER - Shows [Ad 6s] (Two Pairs, sixes and fives)
HELLLMOUTH - Shows [9h 2h] (Two Pairs, nines and fives)
HELLLMOUTH Collects $99.12 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($102.12) | Rake ($3)
Board [6c 8d 9d 5s 5h]
Seat 1: JNGLEGEO Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: AMRLLOSLICK Folded on the FLOP
Seat 3: SHOCKER904 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: DAISIE0X0X Folded on the FLOP
Seat 5: LCFDFIREMAN (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: DAUNIBALLER (small blind) HI:lost with Two Pairs, sixes and fives [Ad 6s - P:6s,B:6c,B:5s,B:5h,P:Ad]
Seat 7: HELLLMOUTH (big blind) won Total ($99.12) HI$99.12) with Two Pairs, nines and fives [9h 2h - P:9h,B:9d,B:5s,B:5h,B:8d]
Seat 8: HOTTIE123 Folded on the FLOP
Seat 9: EL QUACKITO Folded on the POCKET CARDS

11/26/2005 2:27:55 AM