Trying to get back into this, but man I forgot how emotionally taxing a losing streak can be

11/28/2011 11:54:58 PM

Yeah losing streaks hurt. I've recently started alternating between game types to keep myself not getting angry at losses. Playing 1v1, then 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, then back to 1v1. Had some nice winning streaks in 3v3 and 4v4 (started the season 9-0 in 3v3, 11-0 in 4v4). Trying to hit the 1000 win achievement in both 1v1 and team games before the expansion comes out. Feels like I've been 50 wins away in both for months now.

Just had an LOL moment in a ZvP. We were playing on Xel'Naga, I had been getting crushed early-midgame army wise (I've realized my macro sucks, I don't build enough drones and I take my third way too late if I am under any pressure), but I had him raped in upgrades. I had 3/3 going while he was on 1/1... anyways - I was going ling/infestor with ultras on the way, managed to stall his push and take out his third until I got out ultras, then the LOL moment came.

He was way over saturated (85 probes on 2 base) so when he started his third nexus he sent over 45 drones. Rather then just sending them to the minerals he sends them to the minerals then queues them to go to the nexus which is still building. So 45 probes are sitting there looking all juicy. 4 fungals and some infested terrans later and he was down 45 probes and a third.

Sad part was at the same time I did that I had attacked his army and had lings in his natural mineral line, after seeing the replay I realized he had pulled his probes (like another 25) and was sending them to the third, had I delayed my fungals for like 5 more seconds that would've been 65 drone kills.

12/5/2011 5:50:24 PM

My main problem is I stopped playing for so long, but I haven't been demoted yet. Rocking around a 33% win rate since I started up again >.>

12/5/2011 6:32:02 PM

1v1 is so dang stressful to me. its like i have starcraft anxiety.

12/5/2011 9:26:58 PM

I definitely feel the same way. Thats why I only play a few games at a time. Dont know how people can play all day... too much stress.

12/5/2011 10:53:26 PM

Find it more frustrating than stressful.

Just spend most of the time fighting off 1 and 2 base all in strats or cheeses. At least it is easy enough now to predict on ladder what people will do, just have to stop it.

12/5/2011 11:15:20 PM

Has anyone been keeping up with IPL Team Arena challenge this past week? Last night's match between coLMVP and Quantic IM was crazy, went down to the last man for both teams.

12/14/2011 1:47:14 PM

attn: zags flue, after my internet stops sucking (ffffffuuuuuuu comcast) we need to play some 3s

12/14/2011 9:40:30 PM

4 v 4 Silver shenanigans lol

Helped my ally's 3 Thors and 3 Siege Tanks kill 20+ Enemy Thors in the deciding battle... by dropping about 20 point defense drones.
He was raging a lot, don't think he had ever seen a point defense drone before.



[Edited on January 11, 2012 at 10:02 PM. Reason : pix]

1/11/2012 10:02:24 PM

PDD's are money. Great way to make Protoss players QQ in the lower leagues

1/12/2012 12:30:22 PM

PPDs are terran's way of saying "yeah, you can't really engage here" to protoss.

1/12/2012 10:28:18 PM

PPDs are Reason #534589374592 that Terran is OP.

1/14/2012 3:34:38 PM

i've kinda lost interest in playing at this stage because the expansion is going to flip the entire game dynamic upside down...can't wait to hole up with some diablo until HoTS comes out

1/14/2012 3:47:49 PM

Yeah I haven't been playing/following the game much lately. I'm pretty much out till the expansion I think.

1/14/2012 6:27:30 PM

^^^ oh look, another silver leaguer complaining about balance. what else is new in the SC world.

1/17/2012 12:17:36 AM

Don't hate on silver league bro.

Silver league 4v4 is where heroes are born

-not that league even matters for anything other than 1v1...well 2v2 i guess is legit

[Edited on January 19, 2012 at 2:25 AM. Reason : .]

1/19/2012 2:24:17 AM

Quote :

"^^^ oh look, another silver leaguer complaining about balance. what else is new in the SC world."

You're as wrong about my ranking as you are about thinking Terran isn't bullshit.

I mean, honestly -- a race that has two ridiculously powerful siege units is complemented by a spell that prevents virtually anything ranged from attacking.

Balance!

[Edited on January 19, 2012 at 2:46 AM. Reason : Like, you have to be pretty shitty to play Terran all the time and lose games.]

1/19/2012 2:46:01 AM

Terran is strong, but I wouldn't call them bullshit. I think at the high end (GSL) there are a lot of really good players that are Terran as opposed to all the good players just choosing Terran because they are OP.

Protoss I think are on the rise. I think they will be the next race that is 'figured out' to to speak as thoroughly as Terran have been.

1/19/2012 9:58:16 AM

Quote :

"a race that has two ridiculously powerful siege units is complemented by a spell that prevents virtually anything ranged from attacking"

I haven't played in a very long time, but I am curious as to what this is? Could you please elaborate? (I'm guessing the Siege Tank is obviously one.)

1/19/2012 11:42:32 AM

^^^ just because you dont have the skill to deal with your vT matchup doesn't make terran bullshit. and unless you're high diamond/masters, the race you play doesn't even matter anyway as you can win games with just good mechanics and decision making.

PDD's are almost exclusively used in TvT anyway. yeah you can toss one out in the early game v Protoss but unless they're going mass phoenix there's no point in continuing to make ravens as the cost of a raven is better spent elsewhere and if it gets feedback'd it becomes a really expensive deadweight. PDD's are even less of an issue in TvZ as they only really block corruptor shots but dont last very long vs. broodling dps.

summary: if you're consistently losing to T, you don't know how to play your race and/or you just really suck at SC2 in general.

[Edited on January 19, 2012 at 11:51 AM. Reason : ]

1/19/2012 11:48:07 AM

PDD doesn't stop every ranged unit first off. I'm assuming the second siege unit he is talking about is a PF or Thor? Not sure on that one.

But PDD are mostly about controlling space, simply don't engage if there is on there and if the terran is already on top of you then you are probably dead anyway. Like looking at that photo above why the hell would you keep engaging with all those PDD there? Just back away.

Terran just has a lot of options which is more the issue than anything. There are a number of different openings that look similar, like gas before barracks could mean banshee or fast helions. If it is helions is it 1 reactor helion, 2 reactor helion, 1 reactor/1 tech lab BF helion, is it cloak banshee or just regular, etc. If you guess wrong or defend incorrectly you are pretty much dead. This is mostly coming from a zerg point of view. The synergy between mules and marines is also killer and it is good that they are getting the gold minerals off a lot of maps which was an issue.

But when I've had time to play lately I've just been playing as random and the game is pretty balanced at this point, IMO. Still needs work but the expansion will help fix a lot of issues.

1/19/2012 12:05:41 PM

yeah, the expansion will really change the dynamic of this game. from a zerg perspective, we will be given a ton more options for dealing with mass marines, which has always been my biggest gripe about terran. the choke breaker will also help break terran down. it seems pretty much all of zerg's new units are geared towards dealing with them.

i feel like toss got the short end of the expansion, although there could definitely be some creative uses for that unit you can morph into anything.

1/19/2012 12:35:53 PM

Quote :

"PDD doesn't stop every ranged unit first off. I'm assuming the second siege unit he is talking about is a PF or Thor? Not sure on that one. "

Thor's air attack.

Quote :

"summary: if you're consistently losing to T, you don't know how to play your race and/or you just really suck at SC2 in general."

vT is actually my second best matchup. The issue isn't that I lose the matches, it's just that the whole race is bullshit.

1/19/2012 1:13:45 PM

that still doesnt explain your reasoning for why PDD's make Terran OP

1/19/2012 1:29:44 PM

Oh, they were OP without the PDD. That's just the icing on the shit cake.

[Edited on January 19, 2012 at 1:44 PM. Reason : updated]

1/19/2012 1:31:24 PM

based on the sheer amount of whining alone, i have deduced that you play zerg.

[Edited on January 19, 2012 at 1:43 PM. Reason : ]

1/19/2012 1:39:59 PM

Did you figure that out before your no-cost bunker rush?

1/19/2012 1:45:17 PM

lawl, touche i guess

1/19/2012 1:48:09 PM

god I love seeing bunker rushes.

most of the time, at least at my level, i can hold it off and just ling/bling bust them and its gg.

I am also curious how someone thinks zerg has no ability to deal with mass marine?

infestors?
banelings?

1/19/2012 2:56:05 PM

Early game they can chug out marines at a rate where it becomes very difficult for Zerg to keep up with production. Even if you can hold, you've had to produce so many lings instead of drones, you're really far behind.

It's one of those early game things that Terran can do that there's no recourse to. I mean, I don't die to bunker rushes, but that doesn't mean it's not ridiculous that they can do it and it has absolutely no negative effect whatsoever.

1/19/2012 5:01:35 PM

i have heard rumors of a zerg building called the "spine crawler", not sure if they got rid of it during the beta though.

1/19/2012 5:36:26 PM

Spine crawlers are not cost effective especially early. If you mix in a few mauraders as well they make spines mush. Also if you place them in a spot that terran gets by forget about moving it, take to long to replace.

The real issue is that banelings were intended to be an early cost efficient counter to marines. The problem is everyone figured out how to split, which isn't that hard and unless you make a real bad on creep engagement which most terran won't, banelings are not nearly cost efficient enough vs. marines anymore. I remember early on in the game before terran players got the marine micro down you could crush marines w/ a few banelings. Now you need the terran to really screw up or you might not even hit with a single baneling.

It is similar to how Thors were cost effective against mutas until people figured out how to magic box. However the difference is terran have plenty of ways to deal with mutas(marines/turrets, even mass ghost), while zerg really only have one cost efficient method and that is infestors.

1/19/2012 5:59:04 PM

Quote :

"It is similar to how Thors were cost effective against mutas until people figured out how to magic box."

I'd argue that Thors are still very cost effective against mutas, magic boxed or not.

1/19/2012 6:23:58 PM

pretty much anything that can hit mutas back is strong vs mutas

1/19/2012 6:40:10 PM

There effectiveness is heavily based on mis-micro. The point is they were intended to be a hard counter to mutas but magic box, something that ended up in the game unintentionally has changed how effective they were suppose to be. Same thing with banelings. They were intended to be a hard counter to marines but people have figured out how to micro and change the equation. I hardly even make banelings anymore, fungal and lings way better vs marines since any diamond Terran worth anything can split and stutter.

And I'm not saying thors can't kill mutas or blings marines..... Just not as efficient as I believe they were suppose to be.

1/19/2012 8:27:39 PM

^when i play 2v2 with my buddy, who also plays zerg, we love to pair infestors with banes against terran.

1/19/2012 10:04:15 PM

That's 2s where you have enough gas to do that. The timing for when you need the infestors in 1s means no gas for banes.

1/19/2012 10:09:49 PM

Banelings are stupid, just build zerglings. All you really need.

1/20/2012 12:01:51 AM

Banelings are cool if you like watching things explode as they get nowhere near their target.

1/20/2012 12:09:45 AM

^ probably because you're doing it wrong?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcQedw7R1zk

1/20/2012 1:37:58 AM

Quote :

"YOU CAN'T LEAVE"

lol this was also pretty awesome

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kY1TR9GPSM&feature=relmfu


[Edited on January 20, 2012 at 4:25 AM. Reason : .]

1/20/2012 4:20:41 AM

you kinda need zerglings to keep the marines from going fucking everywhere. that and baneling speed helps too.

1/20/2012 6:12:02 AM

Video is a year old.

1/20/2012 9:19:06 AM

Seriously

Go watch Leenock if you guys are confused about how effective banelings are.

I mean

yeah you maybe can't just a-move them if the terran doesn't just a-move their marines. sorry.

1/20/2012 9:30:47 AM

Nobody is arguing banelings are ineffective. If they are they are an idiot. The point that should be argued is that banelings are not cost efficient. The investment that must be made to go early banelings is wayy too high and slows down infestor/muta tech, compared to a terran who can tech safely while pressuring with the incredibly cost efficient marine/hellion/medivac. Banelings shine the most late game. Early game pure zerglings with upgrades are far better.

1/20/2012 11:19:19 AM

Exactly. I never said they don't work. Just not cost efficient as other options. At least in masters league where nobody engages on creep without tanks and everyone can split. No amount of bling micro matters since slightly decent marine micro is easy enough.

Infestors/ling into ultras way better for the cost.

1/20/2012 12:09:29 PM

iem kiev sc2 tourny is currently going on as well btw

http://www.twitch.tv/esltv_event2#

1/20/2012 1:14:51 PM

^ how the hell is LoL getting 94k viewers and SC2 only getting 16k? Do that many people really watch LoL competitively?

1/20/2012 1:41:49 PM

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=UMX10127&mode=retail

I may not be good at the game, but I will buy some fucking Starcraft toys. More images coming as soon as I can find them.

1/25/2012 11:11:52 AM

another note about banelings: they are extremely efficient supply-wise. if you make the mistake of sitting on a ton of resources, often making banelings is a good idea.

1/25/2012 2:08:29 PM