Fumbler, have you ordered parts for your RIA 1911? I need grip screw bushings, and I hear they are non-standard. Thanks

12/10/2009 8:16:41 PM

Me and my brother shared a .22 when I was younger and I took a gun safety course, but it was used very little and that was a long time ago--so I'll look around. Should I search Raleigh for one or wait til I get back home? Not nearly as many pawn shops in the Newport/Morehead/Havelock areas, but... more rednecks?

12/10/2009 10:09:54 PM

Quote :

"If you pull the slide back with an empty mag in the well, does the slide stop catch?"

Without a magazine it shouldn't catch. That Sig forum looks like it had some good advice though.

12/10/2009 10:38:49 PM

I am now reminded that I do not know the location of even a single half-decent pawn shop in this entire city.

12/10/2009 10:52:57 PM

You can get a brand new 10/22 for $200, and most gun shops have used or consignment sales.
You don't have to buy from a pawn shop.

12/10/2009 10:56:24 PM

Quote :

"I really want to do this. (link is NSFW due to the ads) http://www.stileproject.com/videos/3698/squirrel-massacre.html I would love to find an old dump where I could sit and shoot rats all day. Except I'd rather use 5.56 "

I love shooting squirrels with 223. I hand load 55gr Sierra Game Kings that make a mess of small critters. Lately I have been popping deer from my brother's back porch back home with 223 75gr bthp hand loads. Works surprisingly well. The Saturday after Thanksgiving no deer showed up after about 7:45am and squirrels were harassing the deer feeder. Nailed one right in the middle just shy of 100 yds. When I found the squirrel there was a tiny entrance wound and a tiny ext wound with about 2 inches of gut pulled out through the wound. Seems the bigger bullet never had time to expand. Makes sense, but in my mind I assumed the 75gr round would make a mess of it.

12/10/2009 10:57:31 PM

Shooting squirrels with 22 is one of my favorite past times though... Whether it is with my Henry Lever Action 22, the 22 conversion kit in my AR-15 upper or the good ol' reliable 10/22.

12/10/2009 11:45:23 PM

Quote :

"I also was able to sight in my new holographic sight on my Glock Carbine Conversion. 33 rounds of 9mm all touching at 23 yards is fun."

BACKUP. Tell me more.

12/11/2009 12:53:31 AM

I have the Mech-Tech CCU (carbine conversion unit) for my Glock 23, but chambered in 9mm.
It looks exactly like this, minus the can. After the front gray area, I just have a silver barrel.

12/11/2009 1:04:12 AM

neat.

[Edited on December 11, 2009 at 1:23 AM. Reason : i still want the fold out sbr pistol kit. with flashlight of course.]

12/11/2009 1:22:58 AM

Anyone here built an AR before?
I just bought a lower (with lpk installed) and an assembled upper reciever.
Now I need to actually figure out what I'm going to do with it, and turn it into a rifle.
This
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=989015
and the lower from
http://timberwolfwarrior.com/index.htm

12/11/2009 1:45:54 PM

I'm going to hit up some pawn and consignment gun shops over the next week or so, but I figure I'd put it out here first. I already have one tdubber as a possibility, but I'm looking to pick up my "first gun" of sorts and I'm being recommended a cheap .22 to work my way into the hobby. PM me if you have one that you think would be a nice starter--and don't rip me off, considering I know nothing of gun pricing. This is my first venture into guns since I was much younger and lived in an area where gun use was practically required--so If I don't like my first experience, continued experience seems unlikely.

12/11/2009 2:04:28 PM

Quote :

"Fumbler, have you ordered parts for your RIA 1911? I need grip screw bushings, and I hear they are non-standard. Thanks"

I ended up selling that gun.
I never swapped out the bushings, but IIRC they are standard. Everything on the RIAs should be standard on a RIA.

Quote :

"Anyone here built an AR before? I just bought a lower (with lpk installed) and an assembled upper reciever. Now I need to actually figure out what I'm going to do with it, and turn it into a rifle."

Just curious, why didn't you buy a complete upper? You can find almost any config you want in a complete upper. That would save some money that you'd otherwise have to spend on tools.

12/11/2009 4:20:39 PM

^There were a couple reasons.
1. Spreading out the cost. I don't have a lot of extra money currently, but like to have projects. This way I can order a piece or two at a time, and in 6-8 months I'll have exactly what I want.
2. Knowledge. I know I can buy and upper and slap it on my lower, but this way I can say I did it myself, and if problems ever do arise, I'm not stuck with my thumb up my but waiting for someone to tell me what to do. Next time (if and when I have disposable income) I'll either buy a whole rifle, or build the thing from scratch and not use any pre-assembled pieces.

12/11/2009 4:55:02 PM

anybody reload 12ga? I've got probably 100+ shells I don't want. free for you to come pick them up.

12/11/2009 10:07:49 PM

^^ I've also thought about doing an AR build, but I have this fear of getting sued for using a scary rifle if I ever used it on anyone. I kinda keep to stuff with a more pedestrian image.

I know I'm probably being paranoid, but I've seen enough fuckhead lawyers at work to know that silly shit like that really can happen.

12/11/2009 11:20:08 PM

^I have other stuff I would go to first for HD, and if I need a rifle, lawyers are the least of my worry.

12/11/2009 11:30:37 PM

yeah, I'd probably reach for a 12-gauge first...but still. it just doesn't make sense to me to have a gun that I don't feel comfortable shooting someone with if need be, however unlikely that may be.


(other than, say, a .22 LR or something that just isn't suited for the job)

12/11/2009 11:41:59 PM

where can i sight in a rifle around raleigh? needs to be cheap and i'm not buying their ammo.

[Edited on December 12, 2009 at 1:23 PM. Reason : 100 yds]

12/12/2009 1:22:48 PM

the wake county range has a 100yd. indoor bay. I think it costs $5 an hour. they have limited hours for getting certified to use the range though.

12/12/2009 1:30:04 PM

i'd rather just find somebody with some land. don't wanna fuck with certifications and shit.

12/12/2009 1:31:36 PM

Wake County range is $10/hour.

12/12/2009 2:22:11 PM

Quote :

"I've also thought about doing an AR build, but I have this fear of getting sued for using a scary rifle if I ever used it on anyone. I kinda keep to stuff with a more pedestrian image."

QFT. I'd considered going all tactical with 870 but I think I'm going to leave the wood stock and just change the barrel and add a +2 magazine extension.


I'm about to sell my M-4orgery simply because I never shoot it. They're a fucking pain in the ass to clean and 5.56x45mm is way too damned expensive.

12/12/2009 3:21:55 PM

wrong thread

[Edited on December 12, 2009 at 4:44 PM. Reason : damnit]

12/12/2009 4:44:16 PM

^^dude get some star chamber brushes http://www.cjweapons.com/ so much easier.

12/12/2009 10:19:36 PM

Neat. I might get one for work, but I'm still getting rid of the AR.

12/13/2009 10:04:49 AM

so would it be illegal to shoot BB gun in an apartment's parking lot?

12/14/2009 12:26:01 AM

Only if someone sees you.

But then tomorrow you can make a thread about how the police tasered you over what was clearly a BB gun.

12/14/2009 12:28:40 AM

12/14/2009 12:39:00 AM

^ I did that in Iraq. In my defense, I was a little flustered.

12/14/2009 9:25:26 AM

Quote :

"Title says it all. I was thinking either a Kel-Tec 380 or a Bersa Thunder 380 Opinions?"

The Bersa is too long and tall for a pocket gun.

The Kel-Tec P3AT or Ruger LCP are great pocket guns as long as the 380ACP doesn't bother you.
I own both and will be selling the P3AT. Bother are good guns and both are basically the same gun. They aren't the same in actual shooting though.
The P3AT is easier to keep a hold of because of the aggressive checkering on the grips vs the smooth checkering that covers only part of the grip on the LCP.
The overall build quality is better on the LCP though. Just pick the one you like unless you have real problems holding onto those little guns.

I normally carry a J frame IWB. J frames are excellent because you can get great personal defense loads (I carry Double Tap) and they tend to be easier to shoot than an LCP sized auto.
They are as large as you'd want to go in a pocket gun. I would carry in my pocket but I keep too much other junk in my pockets.
J frames don't work with tight pants or shallow pockets.
Like I said, I carry a J frame IWB. If the pants won't allow my to carry that way then those pants are usually too tight for a J frame, so the LCP gets carried.

I would not pick any auto larger than an LCP for pocket carry. If you go any larger then the slides make it difficult to draw from a pocket. J frames are easy to draw because they are small when measured diagonally. In fact, they are smaller than an LCP in that direction.
A J frame is around the same overall size as a baby Glock, but baby Glocks are far larger diagonally.

I don't think you can beat the price to performance value of a P3AT or LCP. If I only had one carry gun it'd be one of these two because you can carry in any pocket.
You can get the new Kahr P380 but it won't have the reliability track record of the P3AT or LCP and costs a lot more.

12/14/2009 10:35:03 AM

Legal question here:

So a pretty good number of my friends and acquaintances want to get together as a group and do some shooting. We also want to do it for free.

I have the green light from someone to host it at his house out in the sticks, with 20 acres of woods, and a large cleared area on one end of it. Not visible from the road. We would have a full setup of tables/chairs, partitions between shooting stations, a range master, rules, etc., but all done relatively informally.

I know there are 10,001 laws about operating a business, major use permits, the disturbance of 10-20 shooters with rifles/shotguns/handguns all at once, etc. This is way out in the country with only a couple large farms and a few small trailers within 5 miles.

Will I need to give the Sheriff's Dept. a heads up in case they get a call, and do any of y'all know what silly laws this might get us in trouble with? We'll make sure we are in compliance, of course, but we'd rather just be free to run it how we please. This would only be once a month or so, and there would be no fees or money changing hands.

12/14/2009 3:41:38 PM

out of city limits?
permission to use property?

if so, go have fun. don't tell the cops a damn thing. it's your business and your right, not theirs.

12/14/2009 3:48:10 PM

^That about covers it.

If you really wanted, you could call the sheriff's and give them a heads up that calls about lots of gun shots is just you and some friends on your own property.

12/14/2009 3:51:12 PM

Sounds good to me.

I just figure it's always worth asking around before doing something, given how many common sense actions are prohibited, restricted, require permits, etc.

But the people I typically won't ask are those in law enforcement. Thanks.

[Edited on December 14, 2009 at 3:59 PM. Reason : a]

12/14/2009 3:58:58 PM

So if I sold a long gun (not a pistol) to another individual in the state of NC, I would need to keep a copy of his/her driver's license showing that they showed me ID that said they were 18 ( for my liability purposes). I don't need to call the FBI yadda yadda yadda and that stuff but would it be worth printing out something that says they are not criminals, illegal aliens or insane and having them sign it? I know the requirements of buying one but what documentation should I keep to cover my ass.

Yes, I'm sweating selling a firearm to someone and they then go out and shoot someone.

I searched for this topic but it doesn't go back far enough in time to find it I don't think. I've seen a few questions on pistols but nothing I remember on long guns. If you know where this answer may be just point me to it.

[Edited on December 14, 2009 at 4:17 PM. Reason : cya]

12/14/2009 4:16:52 PM

^you don't have to do anything but check ID to make sure they're >=18 & a resident of NC. no paperwork, no keeping copies, no nothing.



[Edited on December 14, 2009 at 4:24 PM. Reason : /]

12/14/2009 4:22:23 PM

I'm buying a .22 from Zep because I find it to be the most effective and introductory weapon to serial killing thus far.

But he'll never know.

12/14/2009 4:32:45 PM

that's not helping your case...

12/14/2009 5:13:00 PM

I recommend a bill of sale for any firearm purchase/sale.
Just name, DL#, make/model/serial # of firearm, date, and signature.

And something like, " by purchasing this firearm you are acknowledging that you legally allowed to do so"

12/14/2009 6:40:55 PM

Oh comon' Zep, sarcasm and depth of humor are pretty good signs of being altogether there.

12/14/2009 9:35:25 PM

FWIW, I don't bother with a bill of sale or any of that stuff, though I'll oblige someone I'm buying from. What someone does after you sell them a weapon is no business, fault, or liability of your own, so long as you used all legally required diligence in the sale itself.

Beyond simply checking age and proof of residency, you aren't required to do anything, but using common sense is always important. If the person seems sketchy or a little too anxious about getting it, the alarms should go off.

If they give me no reason to believe they can't or shouldn't own the weapon, I'm not going to worry about what they do with it. If they do end up doing something stupid, it's not my problem, as they would have just as easily gotten a weapon from someone else. Seeing as how 99% of folks buying and selling guns FTF do it legitimately, the law gives you the benefit of the doubt and so do I.

12/15/2009 4:22:42 PM

Is full choke useful for anything other than hunting large game with buckshot?

I went shotgun shopping today...found 3 used 12-gauges that I like, and now have to decide which one (if any) to buy.


1. Wingmaster: $299. Great condition, but 2.75 shells only and a fixed full choke. I won't discuss this one further--we all know what a Wingmaster is.

2. Weatherby Patrician: $269. Fixed full choke, 3" chamber. Good condition, nice wood (I'd way probably comparable in quality to the Wingmaster, although much lighter shade--I prefer the Wingmaster's woodwork. The Weatherby has arguably nicer checkering/engraving and stuff. I prefer the looks of the Wingmaster, but this is a really nice looking shotgun for the price. The cool thing is that is has a super slick action...like, smoother than the Wingmaster's! However, I'd lean strongly towards the Wingmaster due to the likely much greater ease in finding parts/accessories/repair. The uniqueness factor is cool, but it's not like it's anything really rare, valuable, or noteworthy.

3. Mossberg 835. $359. Screw-in chokes, 3.5" chamber. It's marked "HI-GRADE", so maybe it isn't their bargain-basement model, but it's strictly a utility shotgun. I'd say it's about comparable to an 870 Express in terms of fit and finish. This is the best of the 3, hands-down, from a versatility and functionality perspective...it just doesn't provoke my "WANT!" response like a nice Wingmaster priced at $299.


Ultimately, I want a nice-ish wood-stocked, general purpose shotgun. Don't need magnum chambering or anything. Then, down the road, I'll pick up a 2nd piece...a synthetic-stocked, 3.5" chambered, screw-choked, fiberoptic (or red-dot) sighted, take a beating, do it all, but look ugly in the process 12-gauge.

That Wingmaster would be just the ticket, but I'm not sure a fixed full-choke would really be very useful.

12/17/2009 10:50:16 PM

a lot of folks use full chokes for various types of bird hunting. ducks, dove, quail, etc.

[Edited on December 17, 2009 at 11:23 PM. Reason : if you're a decent wing shot, full chokes allow you more range]

if i were you, i'd pick up a mossy 500 w/ screw in chokes. i have an older 835 in camo synthetic. it's pretty much just a turkey gun and i keep it beside the bed for home defense. it is fucking heavy.

[Edited on December 17, 2009 at 11:26 PM. Reason : fdas]

12/17/2009 11:22:37 PM

That barrel on the wingmaster is probably designed to handle leadshot only with the fixed full choke. If you plan to do any waterfowl hunting know that Lead is illegal now. Shooting steel shot can damage the barrel after moderate to heavy use. Also, the alternatives such as bismuth will be fine but, like steel, they pattern tighter than normal lead shot and are quite expensive.

I have an 870 non-wingmaster with a fixed full choke and i'm days away from ordering a new OEM barrel from Remington that's designed for interchangeable chokes.

just something to think about. if it's for home defense only then it probably doesn't matter.



Finished reading your post...if you really want the wingmaster you can get the new barrel like me. They retail for about $225 and come with a modified choke. Then you can get additional chokes for about $25.

Or you can send the barrel off to Carlson's http://www.choketube.com and have it fitted for extended chokes for about $180 and they'll give you modified, improved cylinder, and one other. But it's extended, if that's something that would bother you.

[Edited on December 18, 2009 at 8:54 AM. Reason : add]

12/18/2009 8:50:22 AM

Quote :

"Lead is illegal now"

that is just for waterfowel, right?


I only have steel shot, but I would like to get lead for PD... the loads I have right now kill my arm/hand because of the lightness of my shotgun/lack of padding (I'm using winchester "xpert high velocity steel shot"):





I'm thinking a nice 2.75 lead buck shot would be fine

12/18/2009 9:02:15 AM

yes, only for waterfowl.

12/18/2009 10:01:46 AM

what's the deal with range qualification for CCW? If you do not own a handgun prior to taking the class do you have to find one to qualify with or do they have them at the range for you? Just wondering as i'd like to have CCW before i purchase, though it's not a big deal. But i only have a .32 right now and it's a pain, though i could qualify with it if i had to.

12/18/2009 10:05:13 AM

Most ranges will let you rent a guy to qualify with. I took mine at Guns Plus in Fayetteville and they were letting folks without handguns rent them.

12/18/2009 10:10:07 AM

Some people hunt waterfowl with full chokes and steel shot (I've done it with a Benelli SBE before) and while you can knock down birds reliably another 10-15 yards or so farther out (at least with 3.5 inch shells) it can be a bit challenging to hit them unless you've practiced thoroughly with this type of shot pattern.
I usually use an improved cylinder and regular 2.75 or 3-inch shells for shooting almost anything that flies, with either steel or lead. I'm not a real fanatic shotgunner though, and don't consider it to be much of a science like some do.
If you're looking at a Wingmaster/870, try to find one with a 3-inch chamber, particularly if you plan to hunt waterfowl with it. Not that I think you really need magnum shells, but 3-inch waterfowl shells can be easier to find sometimes in this day and age. If you plan to use it just for a dove/quail/skeet gun, then the 2.75 inch chamber will do fine.

I personally don't see much of a need for a 3.5 inch chamber though and never really have. Some folks absolutely insist on them though.

[Edited on December 18, 2009 at 11:15 AM. Reason : .]

12/18/2009 11:15:05 AM