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"Next season is the make or break year for him"

This is the exact same thing we said last year

10/31/2012 1:06:30 PM

Eh...every year is a make or break.

He sucks really bad, he's fired. Break.

He does okay, he stays. Make.

10/31/2012 1:19:01 PM

pretty sure most years in our history where we didnt get to 8/9 wins we A) didnt play as many games as we do now and B) didnt play two to three games against the sisters of the poor

10/31/2012 4:21:31 PM

Then why does he keep staying when he sucks really bad?

10/31/2012 4:24:45 PM

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""Which Coach Would you not fire? Here are your choices: Frank Spaziani (Boston College) Dabo Swinney (Clemson) Jimbo Fisher (Florida State) Randy Edsall (Maryland) Tom O'Brien (NC State) Jim Grobe (Wake Forest) David Cutcliffe (Duke) Paul Johnson (Georgia Tech) Al Golden (Miami) Larry Fedora (North Carolina) Frank Beamer (Virginia Tech) Mike London (Virginia) (Hint, only 3 coaches on here have better records than TOB over last 3 years.) ""

10/31/2012 4:27:19 PM

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" B) didnt play two to three games against the sisters of the poor"

Yeah adding that shit ass SEC team to the schedule really helped

[Edited on October 31, 2012 at 6:08 PM. Reason : NEWSFLASH we have always played the Citadels of the world]

Chuck's 11 win team included OOC games against New Mexico, ETSU (1AA), Navy, UMASS (1AA), and Texas Tech.

[Edited on October 31, 2012 at 6:13 PM. Reason : .]

10/31/2012 6:08:10 PM

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"i didnt say consecutive years. people already forgot about Dre Stone."

Anyone who can remember the PR years will also remember the Davis/Evans/Stone/Beck years, too, so your attempted deflection is shut down, too. stop the trollin, yo.

Wait, did you just try to claim that Glennon is "elite?" I thought he was absolute garbage...

10/31/2012 6:33:38 PM

packboozie is such a fucking packboozie.

10/31/2012 6:34:19 PM

I would love to see some of you work in college athletics. You really would fire a coach at a basketball school about to win 8 games for the third straight year, has a 5-1 record against his rival, and does it cleanly and is widely respected. You as an AD wouldn't last very long my friends.

The "majority" of so called fans wanted Paul fucking Johnson. That sure would have worked wonders.

10/31/2012 6:40:00 PM

oh lawd, here comes goalielax...

10/31/2012 6:41:08 PM

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"B) didnt play two to three games against the sisters of the poor "

Us and 98% of the rest of Division I programs plays these teams every year (and played them in the past as well).

[Edited on October 31, 2012 at 7:07 PM. Reason : .]

10/31/2012 7:07:01 PM

the amount of trolling against packboozie is interesting. it'd be better with sound reasoning though.

10/31/2012 7:27:03 PM

The guy is 20-24 overall in the ACC.

Against Non Conference BCS teams (including bowl games) he is 5-7. All 5 wins were from the Big East.

Overall BCS level record is 25-31.

Facts.

10/31/2012 7:27:29 PM

^but you didn't factor in all the foot injuries!

10/31/2012 7:35:13 PM

I thought he was 31-18 in ACC play, got 7, 8, or 9 wins in a 11-12 game season, regularly finished second or third in conference play, regularly went to the Peach or Gator bowls, and finished top-25 multiple seasons.


Whoops, I was wrong --

It's 20-14 in ACC play, 5-9 wins in a 12-13 game season, 2nd-5th in the Atlantic division, Papajohns bowl, and ranked 25 once.

[Edited on October 31, 2012 at 9:04 PM. Reason : .]

10/31/2012 8:53:50 PM

coaches around the nation are just chomping at the bit to take over this vaunted program when tob retires

10/31/2012 9:54:14 PM

we'll hire the next ACC football coach that we beat that comes and asks for a job

10/31/2012 10:03:26 PM

so you are saying we are going to hire randy edsall? lulz

[Edited on October 31, 2012 at 10:04 PM. Reason : .]

10/31/2012 10:04:04 PM

Had a dream we lost to Wake 70-33.

10/31/2012 10:17:46 PM

i had a dream last night, and towards the end of it, i swung through the bojangles drivethrough for a 2-piece combo with seasoned fries...it was kind of weird though because in the drive through line, there was a big semi-truck blocking most of it, like it was delivering chicken or something...i somehow drove around it but had to wait for it to move...it backed out, allowing me to get to the menu/speaker...in hindsight it was some fucking awesome 18-wheeler backing up because the parking lot was kind of small, and he didn't even sideswipe my car...so anyway, i get back home and i can literally smell the cajun style fried chicken combined with the aroma of hot fries with their signature seasoning...it was around that time i woke up, completely irritated that it was just a dream, and there was no delicious bojangles chicken awaiting me for breakfast

10/31/2012 10:31:38 PM

I'm still waiting on someone here to call for Yow's departure if she doesn't fire TOB. B/c if you still support our coach (according to some of the brilliant folks here), you must be an idiot. Therefore, Yow should be fired too. The logic is undeniable.

11/1/2012 11:20:41 AM

11/1/2012 11:25:04 AM

Let me clue you guys in on how to get fired as a coach for NCSU football:
1) Academic or NCAA shenanigens
2) Really shitty season (see Chuck Amato) - and to be honest the shitty season has to follow a downward trend of mediocre seaons
3) Consecutive mediocre seasons and no wins against UNC (see Mike O'Cain)
4) Get arrested

Since TOB has done none of the above, he's here to stay. You guys can bitch and moan all you want but until he does one of the above, you're wasting your breath.

Plus, I believe he's still credible. And I think we'll win 3 of the last 4 (lose to Clempson).

11/1/2012 11:37:47 AM

Copying and pasting a post from Packpride that I pretty much agree with 100%:

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"I'm with the folks who would like to see NCSU become a "Va. Tech like program": winning 9-10 games a year regularly. But truth is: Likely not going to happen. Ppl say, "Loser mentality there." But with our winning seasons, in the past, more often than not, it's been 7-8 wins. Clemson, FSU, Va. Tech, Miami (up until the tail end of the Coker Years), & even Carolina & Ga. Tech have had extended & better runs (in their best years over the last 30) than we have. I know there's angst over the Carolina loss. Everyone hates losing to them because their fans, professors, & often coaches, are so arrogant. But we beat them 5 in a row & they had a coach, who was at Miami & also had pro experience. Glennon played very well on Sat. Did all he could. We just didn't put them away. You'll never get a Chris Peterson type coach to come here. Ppl, like that, are just waiting for the big SEC jobs to open up. And they do frequently because the fans have a cutthroat mentality: WIN, WIN, WIN or be fired. It's big bucks (coaching salaries), high pressure, big stadiums, lots of intensity & enthusiasm. But short coaching tenures if you don't win. Best we can hope for is a Dick Sheridan type to come. If there's ever an opening, I don't want an assistant. We've been that route twice, in the last 20 years, & you see what happened. Ideally, you need someone, coming here, with, at least, 6-7 years of head coaching experience. O'Brien, IMO, has done a good job here. If you want an ACC title, that's fine. But Dick Sheridan didn't achieve that. Bo Rein did once but that was in an easier ACC. Of course, Lou Holtz was the best coach to ever grace the sidelines here (his great teams at ND showed his ability). In basketball, NCSU has shown that we can win big here if we have an excellent coach leading. Twice, NCSU has won national titles. I always believed it even during the late '90s when all the debate was going on. And some of, even our own fans, were saying "Third place in the league is good enough. We're not going to do better." I just couldn't believe, we had people on here, saying that. In football, it's different. We don't have a big stadium. Have a modest history & tradition. And two, of the three most successful coaches here, left for other jobs. I think you can win here, but it would be very difficult to have a perennial top ten program. I think you could be national top 25. If you could get rid of TOB, you probably won't upgrade. And you might even get someone who may turn out to be a worse head coach. TOB is better than some on here give him credit for. But people should think about their goals in light of our modest history. If you do get an extraordinarily hot coach (for some crazy reason), he would probably be here 4-5 years & then he would jump to the SEC or Big 10. I think. Unless you love Raleigh and/or NCSU, this is not a destination job. I just hope we beat UNC again next year in Raleigh. One loss to them, every six years, is enough. "

11/1/2012 11:39:33 AM

thats a rare gem of reason to find on packpride.

11/1/2012 12:19:28 PM

I get all that but I'm less concerned about total wins and national rankings because those things don't matter as much in a shitty football conference like the ACC. If Saturday's game had been UVA or Wake instead of UNC, it still would have been incredibly disappointing to blow a 4th quarter 10 point lead in the way that we did.

Yes, I really hate losing to UNC, but I'm also tired of losing winnable games in a season where we have a legit chance to win our division and play for an ACC championship. It's the same reason the 2010 9-4 season was "disappointing." I know we still have a chance at that but losing the UNC game makes it harder.

I definitely don't think TOB should be fired but it would be nice to see one season where we can win all those make-or-break games and get a shot at a title. I don't think that's an unrealistic goal for any school's fan base in the ACC, except maybe Duke.

11/1/2012 12:33:26 PM

^ the thing is, while it's a different levels, almost every coach in america loses winnable games, sometimes several times a season.

11/1/2012 12:37:43 PM

no, I get that. I'm just saying it would be nice to put all our "big" wins together in one season and our "bad" losses in others. How many seasons without putting those together do we go before we get tired of it?


Wake, BC, Clemson, FSU have all been to a title game. It's not like we have some juggernaut like Alabama that will ALWAYS be in our path to a conference championship so a goal of an ACC Championship game is not unrealistic and after so many seasons without one, I think it's enough reason to want a coach gone. Whether the breaking point is 6 or 7, or even 10 seasons is a debatable issue so I can see why some want him gone now and why some are willing to wait.

[Edited on November 1, 2012 at 12:45 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on November 1, 2012 at 12:46 PM. Reason : conference]

11/1/2012 12:42:30 PM

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"no, I get that. I'm just saying it would be nice to put all our "big" wins together in one season and our "bad" losses in others. How many seasons without putting those together do we go before we get tired of it?"

So you'd take going to a title game, if it meant that the following season would be terrible with a bunch of "bad" losses? I'm more happy with consistency.

[Edited on November 1, 2012 at 12:49 PM. Reason : ]

11/1/2012 12:49:15 PM

And you'll get neither.

11/1/2012 12:51:00 PM

I don't know why those two have to go together but yeah, I'd take a conference championship in football if it meant a sub .500 record the next year.

11/1/2012 12:51:25 PM

^^^That's the exact issue I have with TOB teams is that they are wildly inconsistent.

^me too

[Edited on November 1, 2012 at 12:52 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on November 1, 2012 at 12:52 PM. Reason : :]

11/1/2012 12:51:38 PM

Season to season is pretty consistent.

11/1/2012 12:57:32 PM

Consistently unprepared for the first 3-4 games.

11/1/2012 12:58:27 PM

Yeah, you can pretty much bank on us looking really good and beating a team we have no business beating... then losing a couple in gridiron battles for "least retarded." Beating a really good team, losing to bad teams in the same season. You know... inconsistent.

[Edited on November 1, 2012 at 1:03 PM. Reason : -]

11/1/2012 1:01:51 PM

I was responding to someone saying they wished we could put all of our good games in one season, and then all of our bad losses in the next season. I was saying that TOB has a pretty consistent record from year to year. I thought that was obvious.

[Edited on November 1, 2012 at 1:13 PM. Reason : ]

11/1/2012 1:04:57 PM

^but he's horribly inconsistent within a season. Yes, you will win games you're not supposed to and lose games you're not supposed to, but the goal is to win, not accept what "just happens". This year the only loss that's somewhat acceptable is UT, and that one was a toss up. Miami is garbage. UNC is garbage and it showed when we played them. They have no defense and a pretty weak offense. The better team lost that day because they find ways to lose.

Of the 5 wins, 2 were cupcakes and since we don't have chucky, we can discount those for this discussion. So of the 3 wins, 1 was a WTF win that shouldn't have been (FSU) so gg Tommy Boy. The other 2 were squeaked out lucky draws against garbage. You can't lose to UT, almost lose to UMD and UCONN, have it taken away by UNC, and win at FSU and call it good coaching.

I don't like, and never have liked, TOB. He's boring, bland, and predictable. He's Herb Sendek - a decent coach which will give you decent records and maybe the occasional post-season success. But that's the ceiling. No major post-season wins (tire bowls and mall store bowls do not count). Does NCSU "deserve" a big name head coach or big post-season wins? No, not sure why that's ever asked, whodafuck thinks we deserve anything? However, we have the talent, players, money, and facilities to at least be in the ACCCG and going to BCS bowls. Should TOB fired? No, unless there is a better option that is attainable.

[Edited on November 1, 2012 at 1:15 PM. Reason : .]

11/1/2012 1:08:50 PM

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"but he's horribly inconsistent within a season."

but he's been pretty consistent about that

11/1/2012 1:09:39 PM

11/1/2012 1:10:05 PM

Yep, consistently inconsistent.

11/1/2012 1:12:27 PM

I didn't actually say "in the next season" but I guess it doesn't change what I'm saying. I'd like to see us in the ACC championship game, period.

Being pleased with 4-4 and 5-3 in a bad football conference and 3-4 wins over mediocre OOC opponents every year is just boring to me. It's nice that it's not 1-7, don't get me wrong. But it's not too much to ask of a coach in this league to make it happen once in 5-10 years.

11/1/2012 1:13:12 PM

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"They have no defense and a pretty weak offense."

Their offense is 17th in the nation in points scored, their defense is 29th in points allowed

State is 66th and 41st

They were favored by more than a touchdown

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"You can't lose to UT, almost lose to UMD and UCONN, have it taken away by UNC, and win at FSU. "

You can't? What does this mean?

[Edited on November 1, 2012 at 1:14 PM. Reason : ]

11/1/2012 1:13:42 PM

^^nah, i get what you're saying, and agree somewhat. but how many coaches in the league make it to the championship game every 5 or 10 years?

11/1/2012 1:16:42 PM

it's easy to shoot up the rankings when you play nobodies/shitty teams and have 2 shutout wins against high school teams.

[Edited on November 1, 2012 at 1:18 PM. Reason : .]

11/1/2012 1:17:39 PM

They did run it up against Elon (62 - 0) and Idaho (66 - 0) to skew those stats... but had we played those two teams we would have won those games with scores like 35 - 24 or something.

11/1/2012 1:17:43 PM

We've both played two shit schools. Those are valid numbers. I have no idea what the fuck wdp's post means.

11/1/2012 1:19:23 PM

UNC does have an offense that can run up the score; however, it's easily defeated when you start to pressure them on the passing game.

11/1/2012 1:20:12 PM

Bowden
Beamer
Grobe in 6th
Jags in 1st (WITH TOB'S PLAYERS!!)
Swinney in 2nd
Jimbo in 1st
Gailey in 5th
Johnson in 2nd

11/1/2012 1:20:44 PM

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"UNC does have an offense that can run up the score; however, it's easily defeated when you start to pressure them on the passing game. "

Gio didn't play in the Louisville or Wake games. That's why they lost. Renner has played really well in their losses. Five TDs vs. Louisville. 8 TD, 1 Int, 60% completion in losses.

11/1/2012 1:25:01 PM

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"it's easy to shoot up the rankings when you play nobodies/shitty teams and have 2 shutout wins against high school teams."

EVERYBODY PLAYS THESE TEAMS....JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

11/1/2012 2:34:32 PM