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5/16/2012 3:53:10 PM

i cant believe this shit is still around, i read the first couple of pages then said "why am i in SB"

60+ page thread about people arguing

5/16/2012 4:16:06 PM

Haven't gone into this thread until now... yeah, people make a lot of shit about race these days. Never lived in a gated community, hope I never do. Skimmed over some of the comments... seems to be a lot of race mongering.

Anyway, I won't comment a whole lot, just that I hope justice is done.

5/16/2012 4:26:54 PM

Total justice cannot be done because we will never know the whole story, unfortunately.

5/16/2012 4:39:52 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-documents-released-shooting-george-zimmerman/story?id=16371852#.T7VtPusV0s8

New documents released from the autopsy showing Trayvon Martin had THC in his system.




Smoke some weed at some point in the past...get shot.

[Edited on May 17, 2012 at 5:43 PM. Reason : d]

5/17/2012 5:28:23 PM

well im sure this will do nothing but help his case.

5/17/2012 6:23:03 PM

I mean, I can't how any rational/thinking person could possibly argue having THC in your system warrants being gunned down by a neighborhood watch volunteer.

This doesn't prove:
-Trayvon was a bad kid or a thug
-Trayvon was high at the time
-Trayvon instigated a fight
-Trayvon was violent
-Trayvon was doing anything wrong the night all of this occurred
-Zimmerman had knowledge of any of this the night this occurred

[Edited on May 17, 2012 at 6:36 PM. Reason : j]

5/17/2012 6:34:43 PM

how long does it hang out in your system?

5/17/2012 6:37:35 PM

~ 30 days.

5/17/2012 6:38:11 PM

^^^that's a mighty big leap.

But it does shown that TM was not a law abiding citizen, at least prior to this event. For whatever that's worth. Breaking such easy to obey laws may indicate that an individual is willing to break other laws and may not be the upstanding citizen who is portrayed by the media. Not saying all people who smoke pot are this way, but if you break one law, you're likely willing to go further. However, almost all of us to break a law at some point. Those who make a habit of it are the ones in danger of disregarding the law all together.

Ehh, my point is correlation.

[Edited on May 17, 2012 at 6:44 PM. Reason : .]

5/17/2012 6:42:45 PM

What about people that have never broken a law? Does that mean they are likely to never break a law in the future?

If that's true (or isn't), how is anyone ever likely to break a law?






[Edited on May 17, 2012 at 6:47 PM. Reason : j]

5/17/2012 6:46:20 PM

If someone has never broken a law out of principle, then I say they're likely to never break one.

If someone breaks laws (a law) habitually, then I say they're likely to continue to do so and likely to break even more laws.

[Edited on May 17, 2012 at 6:49 PM. Reason : .]

5/17/2012 6:49:02 PM

People are born having not broken any laws, no?

5/17/2012 6:50:08 PM

C'mon man, don't do that shit. You know we're talking about teens/adults and about a continuum.

My point was obvious. Once someone begins to break laws, they're likely to continue to do so and possibly break even more laws.

[Edited on May 17, 2012 at 6:53 PM. Reason : .]

5/17/2012 6:51:46 PM

An extreme, yes... but there is a logical fallacy in your reasoning that I need you to address, please.

Regardless of age, no one has broken a law....until they have broken a law, right?

5/17/2012 6:53:16 PM

Can you really not figure it out, or are you just trolling.

The statement wasn't that no one could ever break a law if they haven't done so before because you're born without breaking a law. That's just asinine.

The point was someone, who has the mental capability to make decisions based on some level of principle, is likely to continue to break laws once they begin to do so.

[Edited on May 17, 2012 at 6:55 PM. Reason : .]

5/17/2012 6:53:43 PM

The same fallacy applies to both arguments.

5/17/2012 6:53:57 PM

indeed

5/17/2012 6:57:01 PM

See if you can follow this:

Who is more likely to commit a crime or is more willing to commit a crime:

A. Someone who has, out of principle, never broken a crime (or didn't mean to, for argument's sake).

B. Someone who has consciously decided to break 1 or more laws in the past

[Edited on May 17, 2012 at 6:58 PM. Reason : ,]

[Edited on May 17, 2012 at 7:00 PM. Reason : .]

5/17/2012 6:58:28 PM

Look man, I follow what you're trying to get at. My issue is this:

Quote :

"A. Someone who has, out of principle, never broken a crime (or didn't mean to, for argument's sake). "

At some point, everyone (both criminal and not) has matched this description.


Do you follow that?

5/17/2012 7:03:26 PM

I don't see any real correlation between someone's willingness to break a minor unjust law and their willingness to commit a major offense

I do see a correlation between the willingness to kill one human being and the willingness to kill another

5/17/2012 7:06:05 PM

Quote :

"See if you can follow this: Who is more likely to commit a crime or is more willing to commit a crime: A. Someone who has, out of principle, never broken a crime (or didn't mean to, for argument's sake). B. Someone who has consciously decided to break 1 or more laws in the past"

Can you back this up with any facts or studies? I think you might just be pulling this out of your ass.

5/17/2012 7:06:42 PM

Yes; but this is not a static problem. You can't just look at one data point and say it doesn't work.

Your point is irrelevant. As someone gets older, if they've never broken a law out of principle, then they likely won't choose to start breaking laws. However, once a person starts to break laws, they're more likely to continue to do so.

^Sure, won't you look some up?

[Edited on May 17, 2012 at 7:09 PM. Reason : .]

5/17/2012 7:07:16 PM

you would be a poor anthropologist

5/17/2012 7:08:58 PM

Do you have any facts/studies to back it up. If not than i have also walked on the moon. I need no facts to back this up because everyone knows its true.

i'm not the one claiming anything thus i don't need to back up your facts.

[Edited on May 17, 2012 at 7:10 PM. Reason : `]

5/17/2012 7:09:50 PM

thanks for playing along.

motherfucker, this is chit chat. I'm not scouring the internet to please your dumbass.

It's a thought experiment.

Who is likely to more willing to commit a crime? Someone who's willingly broken them before, or someone who has consciously not broken any?


[Edited on May 17, 2012 at 7:15 PM. Reason : .]

5/17/2012 7:10:08 PM

5/17/2012 7:10:42 PM

I have walked on the moon. Why don't you go find me some facts to back up my claim? Until then its true!

5/17/2012 7:11:44 PM

What proportion is higher within its respective population: repeat offenders being sent back to jail or first timers?

5/17/2012 7:14:32 PM

Quote :

"This doesn't prove: -Trayvon was a bad kid or a thug -Trayvon was high at the time -Trayvon instigated a fight -Trayvon was violent -Trayvon was doing anything wrong the night all of this occurred -Zimmerman had knowledge of any of this the night this occurred"

You're retarded if you think any of that matters. Just like the prosecution & the media tried to portray Trayvon as a young, innocent kid, the defense will use this to say that he was a punk thug druggie up to no good. Juries are made up of average people and we all know that the average person is an idiot. They're either going to listen to the prosecution and decide that Zimmerman is a racist blood thirsty psycho that went out looking to kill and chased down an innocent kid or they'll listen to the defense and decide that Zimmerman is a hero that rid the neighborhood of a cracked out thief that was a danger to the community. There might be one or two that realize it's all bullshit and both of them fucked up.

5/17/2012 7:14:34 PM

100% of the people that have broken a law have..... also had a 1st time breaking the law.


^I'm not entirely sure you understood my post. Perhaps you should go back and quote the entire thing.

[Edited on May 17, 2012 at 7:16 PM. Reason : v]

5/17/2012 7:14:34 PM

Quote :

"New witness accounts also emerged Thursday. A witness, whose name is redacted, told investigators he saw “a black male, wearing a dark colored hoodie,” on top of a white or Hispanic male who was yelling for help. The witness, who was looking out the sliding glass door at his home about 30 feet away, said he saw the black male throwing punches “MMA (mixed martial arts) style.” He said he told the fighters he was calling the police. He said that as he was making the call, he heard a shot. He looked outside and saw the person who had been on top laid out on the grass as if he had been shot. He said the other fighter was standing on the sidewalk, talking to another person with a flashlight."

5/17/2012 7:43:02 PM

Quote :

"“MMA (mixed martial arts) style.”"

LOL

5/17/2012 7:44:11 PM

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/05/17/martin.autopsy.pdf?hpt=hp_t1
Autopsy report.


1. Looks like he Martin was under 6 feet, and was 158lbs. Not that that matters.


2. Reading the description of the entrance wound, intermediate range shot, damage to the chest/heart/lungs, and the direction of the bullet (direct...front to back), I can't help but wonder if it's revealing?
All this time, I pictured Trayvon on top of Zimmerman, Zimmerman reaching for his gun, and blowing Trayvon away. Reading the description in the report, , if that were the case, Im not sure why Zimmerman didn't have blood on his shirt. Unless Trayvon wasn't on top of Zimmerman when shot?

3. "External genitalia.... unremarkable"
DAAAAYUM, TRAYVON! JUST PUT ALL YOUR BUSINESS OUT THERE

5/17/2012 7:55:01 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/neighborhood-watch-shooting-attorney-says-zimmerman-is-using-30000-from-fund-for-expenses/2012/05/17/gIQA3yNjWU_story.html


Another article, written from a slightly different perspective. Most interesting is the revelation of some other evidence turned over by prosecutors.
-It further details the investigator that wanted to arrest Zimmerman that night
-A neighbor says Zimmerman didn't like black people, and was confrontational
-A coworker says Zimmerman was a bully
-Trayvon had like $40, and a photo pin?, and a lighter on him
-Officer says there was no evidence of wrongdoing by the way of Trayvon

5/17/2012 8:24:19 PM

Quote :

"ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Trayvon Martin's autopsy shows he had marijuana in his system the night he was killed by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, and a gunshot to his chest came from close range, according to nearly 200 pages of previously undisclosed documents released Thursday."

http://news.yahoo.com/documents-shed-light-trayvon-martin-killing-235341368.html

5/17/2012 8:35:43 PM

it absolutely floors me that people are trying to use the fact that he had THC in his system against him

5/17/2012 8:52:08 PM

^ I know someone that won't be doing that... at least not on TWW.

tacolu

5/17/2012 8:54:41 PM

This sucks for treyvon because now he will stereotyped as a druggie.

5/17/2012 8:58:55 PM

Did the autopsy mention whether or not this was actually THC, or the metabolic byproducts (which is what shows up on cheap drug tests)?

There is a huge difference between him having smoked pot recently, or actively being high during the altercation.

5/17/2012 9:08:53 PM

Quote :

"1.5 ng THC- chest blood 7.3 ng THC-COOH - chest blood cannibinoids - urine"

[Edited on May 17, 2012 at 9:13 PM. Reason : f]

5/17/2012 9:10:53 PM

prediction-


HUR:

Quote :

"he deserved to die because he was a THUG with WEED"

5/17/2012 9:25:14 PM

I may or may not have THC currently in my system

I am definitely wearing a hoodie right now

LOOK THE FUCK OUT, WORLD

5/17/2012 9:39:16 PM

Did anyone bother to read the whole quote because I copy/pasted from the start:

Quote :

""ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Trayvon Martin's autopsy shows he had marijuana in his system the night he was killed by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, and a gunshot to his chest came from close range, according to nearly 200 pages of previously undisclosed documents released Thursday.""

The THC is important because the media kept showing the 14 year old TM and this shows he wasn't the innocent he was made out to be.

5/17/2012 9:53:29 PM

Why hasn't anyone mentioned that Zimmerman was on Adderall and Benzos?

5/17/2012 9:55:40 PM

Quote :

" Cops,Witnesses Back Up George Zimmerman's Version of Trayvon Martin Shooting"

5/17/2012 9:55:58 PM

Quote :

"Zimmerman's doctor wrote that it was "imperative" that the 28-year-old see his psychologist following the incident. Prior to the Feb. 26 shooting, Zimmerman had been prescribed Adderall and Temazepam."

Because we know everyone on adderall is calm and collected.

Quote :

"Reading the description of the entrance wound, intermediate range shot, damage to the chest/heart/lungs, and the direction of the bullet (direct...front to back), I can't help but wonder if it's revealing? All this time, I pictured Trayvon on top of Zimmerman, Zimmerman reaching for his gun, and blowing Trayvon away. Reading the description in the report, , if that were the case, Im not sure why Zimmerman didn't have blood on his shirt. Unless Trayvon wasn't on top of Zimmerman when shot?"

I've been wondering this the whole time. Kid was clearly not on top of Zimmerman when he was shot.

[Edited on May 17, 2012 at 10:04 PM. Reason : ]

5/17/2012 9:59:26 PM

5/17/2012 10:01:49 PM

Quote :

"Dead negro smoked weed; hero Zimmerman vindicated"

5/17/2012 10:05:22 PM

Quote :

"The THC is important because the media kept showing the 14 year old TM and this shows he wasn't the innocent he was made out to be."

your hated "media" showed pictures of a teenage kid

you know how many teenage kids, regardless of race, have pictures taken of them while they have THC in their system?

a whole fuck of a lot of them

[Edited on May 17, 2012 at 11:18 PM. Reason : yeah]

5/17/2012 11:16:34 PM