How did this turn into a thread about Herb?

And no, I don't miss him. Never will. Good luck at ASU.

1/15/2009 5:50:12 PM

I can see it playing out now... of course we'll be shitty this year.. next year same shit.. year #5 Lowe takes us to the elite 8 and then takes a job with the NBA.

1/15/2009 6:48:50 PM

^The key, of course, is firing Lee Fowler before anything else happens.

1/15/2009 6:51:18 PM

If Sid is able to bring in a top notch PG, it will be eerily similar to when Amato had Rivers. We were able to win some games despite the coach.

Every year I give Sid the benefit of the doubt. And every year he shows me nothing that leads me to believe he is a good coach.

1/16/2009 1:39:04 PM

every year for almost 2.5 years?

1/16/2009 1:44:56 PM

^^Sorry, but every part of that post is just stupid. Stupid.

1/16/2009 1:50:14 PM

^^^Sorry, but every part of that post is just stupid. Stupid.

FatTony and Stein are the posters in this thread who least understand college basketball.

1/16/2009 1:52:58 PM

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"firing Lee Fowler"

Should have happened years ago. His ability to keep his job should be a subject on Modern Marvels.

1/16/2009 2:37:28 PM

He's got nude photos of every single member of the Wolfpack Club.

1/16/2009 2:39:01 PM

He doesn't have one of me so that's not true.

But yes, we don't have a Lee Fowler Credibility Thread because everyone agrees that he should have been long gone.

1/16/2009 2:41:21 PM

As long he continues to raise money he will stay on as AD. Period. Stop donating if you don't want him around.

1/16/2009 2:42:19 PM

^^^^,^^^^^Great argument guys. Top notch.

^^^^^^ Yes. 2.5 years of uninspired basketball except for 1 game against UNC and an ACCT run. Both happened in year 1.

[Edited on January 16, 2009 at 2:44 PM. Reason : ^]

[Edited on January 16, 2009 at 2:45 PM. Reason : ^]

1/16/2009 2:44:23 PM

Quote :

"And every year he shows me nothing that leads me to believe he is a good coach."

granted it has only been 2.5 years, but the argument is solid. He just doesn't show any ability to be able to coach.

1/16/2009 2:47:54 PM

Someone please make the argument that he is a good coach. I'm seriously looking for any ray of hope and I don't see any.

He might be a good recruiter. To me he's just like Amato. A player's coach, no discipline, good recruiter, bad coach, dresses like a pimp. At least Sid has kept the staff together. Maybe that will help. But I just don't see it.

I'm bitter. Watching the FSU game the other night made me sick.

[Edited on January 16, 2009 at 3:05 PM. Reason : ^]

1/16/2009 2:59:02 PM

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"i had a fucking blast going to the bars to watch State play in the tourney loved every cotdamn minute of it...win or lose"

Yeah, it was pretty fun watching us be one and done.

Being bad now sucks, but unfortunately the transition almost made it a necessitity given conditions. I liked Herb but felt like his potential was maxxed out. To get further we needed a reboot.

1/16/2009 4:09:54 PM

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"Stop donating if you don't want him around."

I stopped donating about four years ago when I left the Raleigh area. No sense in keeping an already horrible ranking when I could not attend any games anyhow.

Also why does Fowler get credit for raising money. Purcell and the Wolfpack Club deserve that recognition. Fuck Fowler, he is too busy playing golf and taking Fridays off to realize the pathetic performance of 80% of our sports programs.

1/16/2009 4:20:37 PM

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"Yeah, it was pretty fun watching us be one and done."

We were only 1 and done once in the 5 year string... against Cal.

Can't win it without being in it...

1/16/2009 5:05:07 PM

Everyone, give up, let it go, stop beating the dead horse....
**NEWS FLASH**
Herb isnt our coach anymore...

1/16/2009 5:24:15 PM

still credible

1/16/2009 5:54:24 PM

Quote :

"FatTony and Stein are the posters in this thread who least understand college basketball."

Yeah man. You could have a team with 4 first round NBA draft picks on it, but if the !!!POINT GUARD!!! is no good, they're going to be an embarassment on the court in the ACC.

1/16/2009 8:11:30 PM

1/16/2009 8:58:31 PM

more questionable substitutions...

1/17/2009 12:26:48 PM

shut the fuck up, you can't fucking play everyone to death, asshat

1/17/2009 12:29:56 PM

pulling all of your starters out 7 mins into the game?

shut the fuck up, asshat

1/17/2009 12:32:22 PM

and now costner and fells are back in

it's not 2006, we don't have to play everyone all the time

1/17/2009 12:34:32 PM

^^he has the 2nd most minutes douche

[Edited on January 17, 2009 at 12:35 PM. Reason : ^^]

1/17/2009 12:35:40 PM

For putting this abomination on the basketball court, both coaches should be fired after this game and never let back into basketball.

1/17/2009 12:46:14 PM

I think the credibility question should be asked simply for the fact that Horner gets minutes

1/17/2009 12:49:19 PM

Obviously guys, Georgia Tech is much more talented than we are, can't you see that? John Wooden couldn't coach us to victory in this game.

1/17/2009 12:55:03 PM

Might as well get this thread to the top

1/17/2009 1:53:37 PM

1/17/2009 1:55:59 PM

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"I think the credibility question should be asked simply for the fact that Horner gets minutes"

Bullshit

this game all he has done is come in to give costner a break

costner didnt get subbed out till the 7:53 mark in the second half

Costner was on the bench for 1:50 min and then horner promptly sat his ass on the bench



[Edited on January 17, 2009 at 1:59 PM. Reason : asd]

1/17/2009 1:59:35 PM

so you're conceding that Horner contributes nothing except to give Costner a rest?

I would take a) a tired Costner or b) anybody else over that any day

1/17/2009 2:09:35 PM

^^so you are saying now that lowe has figured out, after 14 games, what the rest of us knew after 0 that he is an all-star coach??

1/17/2009 2:11:44 PM

Nah, tired Costner was Costner all of last season. We don't want that.

1/17/2009 2:11:54 PM

Thats what bench players do dude

Horner has the least amount of minutes than anyone else and the only other people who could possibly come in arent playing for some reason or another

They probably slacked off in practice or during the game and now they arent playing

1/17/2009 2:12:19 PM

Quote :

"so you are saying now that lowe has figured out, after 14 games, what the rest of us knew after 0 that he is an all-star coach?? "

No, what Im saying is you are a fucking troll






[Edited on January 17, 2009 at 2:13 PM. Reason : doubledouble]

1/17/2009 2:13:07 PM

so i guess this is the first games you have seen this year?

b/c horner is 7 in minutes on our team and played 25 last game

[Edited on January 17, 2009 at 2:18 PM. Reason : and i guess this is your first time in ST if you think i'm a troll]

1/17/2009 2:16:36 PM

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"the only other people who could possibly come in arent playing for some reason or another"

that's the fucking point


now unless every other bench player took a shit on Lowe's clipboard or told him to fuck off, there's no way they can do any worse than Horner does. It's not like I'm mad because Horner isn't coming off the bench and scoring 20+ and getting double digit rebounds... he comes in, takes lousy jump shots, doesn't rebound anything, and turns the ball over, he's like a suckier white Levi Watkins

1/17/2009 2:17:38 PM

i know what he has played in the past

this is what everyone was bitching about and now people are still bitching because his minutes went from 25 to 7.

cant please everyone I guess


7 min is perfect for horner. 25 is fucking retarded.

1/17/2009 2:18:48 PM

Quote :

"that's the fucking point now unless every other bench player took a shit on Lowe's clipboard or told him to fuck off, there's no way they can do any worse than Horner does. It's not like I'm mad because Horner isn't coming off the bench and scoring 20+ and getting double digit rebounds... he comes in, takes lousy jump shots, doesn't rebound anything, and turns the ball over, he's like a suckier white Levi Watkins"

unless you were at practice, then we have no idea why they are or arent playing

you can speculate all you want but Horners minutes just dropped significantly

that is a good thing

1/17/2009 2:20:22 PM

i meant #7 in minutes on our team, avg 16


and 0, or maybe 2, min is perfect for horner. 7 is way too many. do you really not see how garbage this guy is?

[Edited on January 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM. Reason : ^ill agree this is a good thing, see!!! we have common ground!!]

1/17/2009 2:21:04 PM

FUCK YOU FUCKS

HORNER FTW

1/17/2009 2:22:31 PM

aw man i think he can hear us

creepy


i stand by my comment

[Edited on January 17, 2009 at 2:23 PM. Reason : every dog has his day]

1/17/2009 2:23:08 PM

^^^well yea of course that would be optimal

but I'll take 7 minutes any day of the week


beggars cant be choosers

[Edited on January 17, 2009 at 2:23 PM. Reason : ^^]

1/17/2009 2:23:30 PM

credibility??

[Edited on January 17, 2009 at 2:28 PM. Reason : ^ok, good, i knew you werent part of the lunatic fringe]

1/17/2009 2:26:19 PM

he was saving horner for overtime

nice little spark off the bench

1/17/2009 2:27:41 PM

ice. what critics.

1/17/2009 2:28:19 PM

guess I bumped this too soon

1/17/2009 2:29:33 PM

FANNIES


ICE



CHARACTER

[Edited on January 17, 2009 at 2:32 PM. Reason : WHAT CRITICS]

1/17/2009 2:32:16 PM