In a series of tweets on Boeheim:

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""@BillSimmons: "Don't look over here everyone - keep looking over there. Um, how 'bout this weather today?" --Roy Williams""

3/19/2015 6:04:04 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p217jL6mkVs

3/20/2015 10:56:06 AM

saw this video on espn http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12513537 "

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"Vitale: Boeheim Not A Cheater "

which reminds me...Dick said the same thing about UNC... something along the line "oh these kids didn't do it baby, something something UNC is clean baby". what a fucker.

3/20/2015 11:34:49 AM

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2015-03-20/roy-williams-north-carolina-academic-scandal-ncaa-syracuse-jim-boeheim-college-basketball-tournament

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"Think about this: a man who has all of 15 players to coach and teach and mold into young men (his words, not mine), can say he knew nothing about no-show classes when he knows everything else about the 15 players he spent years recruiting and spent countless moments promising mothers and fathers he would take care of their son for the next four years of their lives."

3/21/2015 4:04:11 PM

So Dean gave $200 to his former players in his will.

Violation?

3/26/2015 5:45:16 PM

Naw I think he'll be ok.

[Edited on March 26, 2015 at 5:52 PM. Reason : source: saps]

3/26/2015 5:52:23 PM

my original post has been redacted due to FOIA and it was a messed up thing to say... but the cheap facade those cheaters put on just brings it out of me


[Edited on March 26, 2015 at 6:54 PM. Reason : ]

3/26/2015 6:49:44 PM

Fuck Dean and all those cheating mother fuckers.

3/26/2015 7:11:33 PM

He really thought it was OK to gift former student athletes all that $$? Begs the question what other benefits his players received while he was coaching.

"I can damn well reward my players for all their hard work, on the court, & more importantly off it. The NCAA can go kick rocks. Their petty little rules will not come in the way of me appreciating those wonderful student athletes that played for Carolina .Oh gosh don't thank me, I'm just doing the right thing y'all. I hate all that attention. I'm just a humble old mentor of young men. We aren't like those folks at State College arranging tryouts for their commits . I'm gonna tell on them, they don't do things the right way. Don't compare us with them. We're closer to Duke. Just take a look at our graduation rates."


[Edited on March 26, 2015 at 7:34 PM. Reason : ]

3/26/2015 7:30:17 PM

Yall are really getting your panties in a wad because he left players from 20+ years ago money in his will?

3/26/2015 11:53:00 PM

That was irrelevant as fuck to my post

3/26/2015 11:58:27 PM

C'mon man, that was a great rant.

Looks like Everett Case did the same thing too. Oops

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/02/24/news_pf/Sports/Coach_s_spirit_set_ne.shtml

[Edited on March 27, 2015 at 12:32 AM. Reason : ]

3/27/2015 12:25:15 AM

Maybe I'm bad at reading, and maybe Dean leaving former players money isn't yet another NCAA infraction against the flagship, but what exactly did Case do too?

3/27/2015 12:36:43 AM

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"Upon his death at age 65, he left part of his estate to 57 former players."

3/27/2015 6:43:15 AM

Not a big deal, at all. I thought it was a pretty cool gesture (even before i just read that Case might have done something similar)

3/27/2015 9:14:59 AM

all you idiots saying this is an NCAA violation need to shut the fuck up, everyone is laughing at you

3/27/2015 9:35:04 AM

Seriously. There are many things to point fingers at and accuse UNC of, but this is not one of them.

3/27/2015 9:36:22 AM

LOL @ GingaNinja

My friend is still heated about all that--pretty convinced that Smith reported State back in the day.

And Chapel Hill used to buy their players cars when they graduated. It was an open tradition. They'd do human interest stories on it to celebrate the generosity.

3/27/2015 1:34:16 PM

http://www.wral.com/lawsuit-by-former-unc-ch-athletes-seeks-educational-reforms/14550413/

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"The NCAA argues it does not have a duty "in regulating and monitoring its member institutions,""

3/31/2015 9:06:10 AM

wait. wut?

3/31/2015 9:28:17 AM

NCAA and UNC are seeking to have the lawsuits filed by the former players dismissed. One of the reasons the NCAA gave (out of several) for dismissing the lawsuit is that they don't have a duty to the athletes to regulate and monitor member institutions.

I think the statute of limitations argument is probably the best one. I think they may use that to dismiss the case.

3/31/2015 9:34:41 AM

WAT?

3/31/2015 9:50:29 AM

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"One of the reasons the NCAA gave (out of several) for dismissing the lawsuit is that they don't have a duty to the athletes to regulate and monitor member institutions."

such bullshit to me.

The NCAA makes millions on student athletes and refuses to pay them under the condition of "well they're getting a free education, the quality of which we will not guarantee nor monitor"

This goes beyond my desire to see UNC skewered. The NCAA just doesn't give a shit about the student athlete aside from its ability to profit grossly from them. Not that that is any sort of revelation.

[Edited on March 31, 2015 at 9:56 AM. Reason : d]

3/31/2015 9:55:35 AM

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""One of the reasons the NCAA gave (out of several) for dismissing the lawsuit is that they don't have a duty to the athletes to regulate and monitor member institutions.""

Forealdo, we should start cheating today and the second the NCAA tries to do anything about it we run up in court with this statement as precedent.

3/31/2015 10:00:24 AM

Not so fast though. If the NCAA tries to weasel its way out on technicalities like that, they have the Congress and Rep. Cardenas ready to pull the plug on NCAA being tax exempt. That could cost them hundreds of millions of $$$. Is that really worth letting UNC skate?

The story's now bigger than just Dan Kane and a few NC State trolls wanting UNC hammered. They are at the goddamn epicenter of a paradigm shift in college athletics. They could very well bring the NCAA down after all

[Edited on March 31, 2015 at 10:14 AM. Reason : ]

3/31/2015 10:11:53 AM

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"This goes beyond my desire to see UNC skewered. The NCAA just doesn't give a shit about the student athlete aside from its ability to profit grossly from them. Not that that is any sort of revelation. "

This is exactly what the lawsuit alleges. NCAA only cares about making money, and if they are functioning as a for profit, then students should be paid.

3/31/2015 10:14:39 AM

if you think the NCAA should be involved in overseeing the course content of every course in every school, you're a fucking idiot

[Edited on April 1, 2015 at 12:00 PM. Reason : .]

4/1/2015 12:00:10 PM

oh boy. stupid just got dropped in here.

4/1/2015 12:59:26 PM

^^I don't think anyone is arguing that.

4/1/2015 3:00:49 PM

No one is asking them to oversee the content but when something so blatant and obvious occurs they should damn well be involved. This wasnt a couple of kids getting a little help to stay eligible this was decades long systemic academic fraud the likes of which we have never seen before.

4/1/2015 3:55:29 PM

punishment will range from "slap on the wrist" to "Meh". And UNC will come out - pull a Boeheim calling it "Unduly Harsh". And no will remember all this in 2 months except MooU.

4/1/2015 4:40:51 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/01/sport/ncaa-response-to-lawsuit/index.html
back on cnn for you entertaiment.

4/1/2015 10:31:23 PM

but the NCAA is completely right in that they shouldn't be sued because UNC set up fake courses. that's what's at the heart of the recent upswell in this thread (see ginga, lionheart, et al) and across the interwebs (such as that CNN article).

people are so myopic on the NCAA that now they'll get fired up about anything. the NCAA isn't a fucking accreditor

[Edited on April 2, 2015 at 10:55 AM. Reason : .]

4/2/2015 10:54:20 AM

I think the source of the outrage is NCAA is trying to wash their hands of the mess. If the NCAA knew of the infractions and chose not to sanction or fine UNC for their actions, then isn't that actionable? If it is actionable, then who has the standing to bring the suit? Do the students themselves? Or, theoretically, would it only be actionable by another school who was punished for the same or similar infractions more harshly than UNC?

I think the root of the NCAA issue and that specific lawsuit is to what extent does the NCAA have a duty to the students to oversee their institutions? When they say they don't have to regulate or monitor their member institutions, isn't that their whole function? Probably, but that duty to regulate is only accountable to the member institutions and not the athletes?

It seems disingenuous to say they don't have to "regulate or monitor" when instead they could have just claimed not to have known.

4/2/2015 11:12:10 AM

the NCAA has every right to wash their hands of UNC making fake classes. it's not their job to police class content. we should all WANT them to be allowed to wash their hands of this lawsuit, because the last thing we need is someone like the NCAA having to audit every class of 1,000+ colleges.

the PROPER defendant in the lawsuit would be whomever gives UNC accreditation. but putting "SACSCOC" on the lawsuit won't get the press that putting "NCAA" on it will.

the NCAA's role is to punish the sports programs for abusing fake classes to gain a competitive edge. that's it.

they are there to monitor the SPORTS PROGRAMS. not the entire college campus.

[Edited on April 2, 2015 at 11:17 AM. Reason : .]

4/2/2015 11:15:31 AM

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"the NCAA's role is to punish the sports programs for abusing fake classes to gain a competitive edge. that's it."

And if they don't punish these infractions, then what is the remedy? Who gets to sue? Or do all the other member institutions just have to accept it?

[Edited on April 2, 2015 at 11:18 AM. Reason : I don't disagree with you, I just also understand where people are getting upset.]

4/2/2015 11:17:40 AM

this lawsuit has nothing to do with NCAA punishing UNC.

look, the NCAA has only the power that the schools it governs gives them. this isn't congress where, once you get there, you get to make the rules. the NCAA simply provides a disassociated body to enforce the rules the schools make so that no one school has undue influence.

the UNC case is difficult, not because the NCAA doesn't want to punish them, but because they have to punish them within the confines of the rules they have.

just look at the blowback from PSU. the NCAA has had to roll just about everything back because they went outside their authority to make a point. it was a needed point to be made, but, unfortunately, that child rapist enabler got restored to his undeserved glory.

so now we have UNC. and everyone agrees that the scandal there is much, much bigger (albeit with much less reprehensible actions than child rape) than penn state. but the question is can the NCAA fit the scandal inside of the box which the schools give the NCAA to put things in?

i do expect to see further sanctions for UNC - i'm just not certain if the NCAA has been given the legitimacy needed to do what should be done rather than what can be done

[Edited on April 2, 2015 at 2:10 PM. Reason : .]

4/2/2015 2:10:22 PM

The NCAA has punished schools in the past for academic transgressions like Minnesota and Georgia. They have hammered smaller schools based on forged grade changes. Absolutely no reason they can't do that to UNC. I mean, the precedent is there.

[Edited on April 3, 2015 at 12:07 AM. Reason : ]

4/3/2015 12:07:38 AM

i don't care if the NCAA wants to investigate all of UNC's sham classes. but when their precious athletes are found to take those classes for a couple decades, they should probably do something.

4/3/2015 12:12:36 AM

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"i don't care if the NCAA wants to investigate all of UNC's sham classes. but when their precious athletes are found to take those classes for a couple decades, they should probably do something."

And just because the NCAA says it has no responsibilty in directly monitoring the schools' classes, that doesn't mean it can't punish member institutions for blatant academic fraud, right?

4/3/2015 12:16:35 PM

^ exactly ...

I, also, think it's a bit out of left field to try and say it's the NCAA's fault that UNC cheated for 30 years ...


The NCAA's statement should be .... it's not our job to make sure you follow the rules, but if you don't we're going to burn you at the stake. /pitchfork

4/3/2015 12:51:03 PM

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"The NCAA has punished schools in the past for academic transgressions like Minnesota and Georgia. They have hammered smaller schools based on forged grade changes. Absolutely no reason they can't do that to UNC. I mean, the precedent is there."

yes they did. because those were happening EXPLICITLY for athletics or by athletic personnel. Georgia was a coach committing the academic malfeasance as a teacher. Minnesota was a case of academic fraud solely for basketball players.

There is no precedence of widespread academic fraud that encompassed regular students and athletes alike on the scale of what is happening at UNC. I know we know that it involved a disproportional amount of athletes relative to their presence in the student body. But the fact that the classes, fake papers, and easy grades were available to everyone makes this a tiger of a different stripe.

We might hate it, but the NCAA has to be sure they do this one by the books. I mean, it's blatantly obvious USC and Miami cheated their asses off, yet somehow the public perception is that the NCAA wronged those schools in how they punished them. It's an absurdity I can not fathom. The ignorance of the public has put the NCAA in a can't win situation right now.

The ultimate punishment for this should be outside of the NCAA. The department should lose its accreditation. The feds should hammer UNC for Pell Grant fraud. And yeah, UNC should lose banners. But it's actually a lot easier to do the first two things based on the rules each body has governing them than the 3rd one is.

I'm not excusing anything here. I want to see UNC burn for this as they rightly should. I'm just laying bare the reality that gets overlooked in our demand for justice. It sucks that this is the reality. But it's the deck the NCAA was dealt by the schools when they made the rules.

[Edited on April 3, 2015 at 1:18 PM. Reason : .]

4/3/2015 1:17:01 PM

So apparently Bubba Cunningham spoke at the Raleigh Sports Club (last night maybe)...and said that the NCAA is still on campus....that they expect to receive an NOA within 6 months...to reply/appeal....and get the final penalties in about a year.

Someone tweet that to all of their recruits...and maybe Brice Johnson and Marcus Paige...to get them to go pro since they might be banned from the tournament next year.

Burn in Hell, Carolina.

4/3/2015 1:34:19 PM

see guys, patience. this is a tricky one

[Edited on April 3, 2015 at 1:46 PM. Reason : .]

4/3/2015 1:46:06 PM

I know I'm getting my hopes up, but I just can't imagine how they don't get worse penalties than Syracuse. I don't know how they could word it to where Syracuse did worse shit than them.

I shouldn't do it to myself, but I'm starting to get excited about the fact that they're going to get some post-season bans (definitely more than one) as well as significant scholarship reductions. It's almost to the point that I could give a fuck if they have to take down banners. I still want that...and would probably bust a nut if it happened...I would just be okay if it didn't happened as long at they could pretty severe penalties regardless.

Which basically means they will get a slap on the wrist...

4/3/2015 2:12:35 PM

As petty as it is, I'm pulling really hard for Duke to win another championship. It'll sting that much more if Carolina gets hammered next year the NCAA

4/3/2015 2:14:09 PM

I fully expect Duke and UK to win on Saturday night. Regardless of who wins the championship game, UNC fans will be pissed.

4/3/2015 2:17:26 PM

2 decades of academic fraud, wouldn't that mean 3 banners would be at risk?

Even if they don't come down, the banners are reminders to future generations of "The Carolina Way". They always have 1924 though.

4/3/2015 3:44:55 PM

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"As petty as it is"

Nothing is petty for StateFan

4/3/2015 4:11:38 PM

Is this really going to happen? Or was it just football. I call bogus that anything happens to the basketball team unless someone posts/links something showing it will happen.

4/4/2015 12:36:59 AM