he wants to prove that he can win at UNC without Hansbrough from what I've heard though. There's a chance he returns with Ellington (whose draft stock still isn't high enough)

2/20/2009 3:17:16 PM

for page 68

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"NEEDS MORE WALL"

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"NEEDS MORE COUSINS"

2/20/2009 3:24:10 PM

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"he wants to prove that he can win at UNC without Hansbrough from what I've heard though. "

That's fucking retarded. And why college sports internet message boards are retarded also.

2/20/2009 3:35:57 PM

his stock is rising and it's a deep PG class, so why not?

2/20/2009 3:42:50 PM

ty lawson is clearly the best point guard to ever play college basketball and should definitely enter the draft.

2/20/2009 3:56:40 PM

i enjoy seeing unc players get drafted well after the first round, so i too, believe taiwan lawson should enter the nba draft

2/20/2009 4:09:28 PM

i don't know why i keep revisiting this thread. it's turned into an absolute train wreck with no insight what-so-ever.

2/20/2009 4:52:35 PM

^^^^

I'm not saying its retarded that he won't leave. I'm saying its retarded that he won't leave because "he wants to prove he can win without Tyler."

This isn't Kobe and Shaq we're talking about. And UNC will just have some other heralded big man like Zeller or Ed Davis step up in Tyler's role, so it won't be like Lawson will be doing it by himself.

So that's why its stupid.

2/20/2009 5:09:48 PM

So he wants to prove he can win with 8 other McDs AA on the team instead of 9?

2/20/2009 7:50:58 PM

Cousins had 35 and 13.
Lorenzo had 29.
Harrow had 20.
Howell had 19 and 11.
Wood had 23.

http://www.wolfpackhoops.com

2/21/2009 8:00:29 AM

^ thanks tmpascuc for actually talking about something related to our recruiting, otherwise its been lately

2/21/2009 8:09:59 AM

^^

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"A win against the Cavs would put the Pack within tied for 4rd place in the ACC."

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"Which would be a pretty good bet for getting in most years, but not in a year when there are 5 teams tied for 2nd. It's surely going to take more than just a win today against Virgiia."

[Edited on February 21, 2009 at 9:37 AM. Reason : While we're at it.]

2/21/2009 9:25:40 AM

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"NC State has not scored 80 points in 6 of the last 7 games, providing an exciting sneak peak at what Sidney Lowe is looking to create here in Raleigh."

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"If Fells can hold him down, which he's very capable of doing, the Pack could run away with this one...but allow Sylven to get hot and there could be probelems."

apparently they don't have spell check or editors for that website.

2/21/2009 9:32:42 AM

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"4rd place"

ahahahahhaa

that made me lose my shit.

2/21/2009 9:46:25 AM

WHERE DO WE STAND?

2/21/2009 11:07:36 AM

2/21/2009 11:08:12 AM

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"BUILT 4RD TUFF"

2/21/2009 11:59:51 AM

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"A win against the Cavs would place the Pack tied for 4rd place in the ACC. Which would be a pretty good bet for getting in most years, but not in a year when there are 5 teams tied for 2nd"

haha, not only as pointed out before 4rd, but even if 4th was meant, if 5 teams are tied for second and first is by itself, then the next place is 7th, not third.

2/21/2009 12:03:54 PM

^no, it's 7rd.

2/21/2009 2:20:50 PM

oh, i should have known

2/21/2009 2:32:13 PM

Just had an interesting story on OTL about package deals and interviewed John Wall about his choices. There is a story on ESPN now, somewhat interesting. Sorry if old...

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=3870112

2/22/2009 9:30:23 AM

^From the same statefans thread: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/seth_davis/11/21/hoop.thoughts/index.html

Article about how Herb hired Harden's coach and offered a scholarship to Glasser to get Harden. Sendek's quote when asked about it: ""And instead of playing in the Pac-10, we could play in the fantasy league. It's our job as coaches to get the best players possible."


I wonder when Lowe is going to jump on the package deal bandwagon.

2/22/2009 12:58:03 PM

Hopefully never. I'd like to be able to win with some shade of dignity. Also if we did such we'd be ostracized by the local media and end up getting put on probation.

2/22/2009 1:26:10 PM

Not true because they never complained about squeaky clean herb. Only if we start beating the other schools will they start complaining

2/22/2009 1:35:00 PM

whole OTL story here

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=3913726&categoryid=3286128

Seems like, same old, same old, stuff. The messed up part is about USC where they have two highly recruited kids who can be considered 'walk-ons' because they have family members employed by the basketball team and can therefore receive free tuition and not take up a basketball scholarship.

John Wall seemed pretty straight about the whole thing. He said he felt a little pressured to go to Baylor because his coach is there and a lot of other recruits follow coaches to schools. We can only hope he'll buck the trend.

[Edited on February 22, 2009 at 3:29 PM. Reason : bad grammar]

2/22/2009 3:26:53 PM

I guess that is why we got Sean Harris back in the day, to get the stud recruit Archie Miller...

2/22/2009 5:34:40 PM

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"he wants to prove that he can win at UNC without Hansbrough from what I've heard though. There's a chance he returns with Ellington (whose draft stock still isn't high enough)"

I would be shocked if Lawson didn't enter the draft. I think Ellington should return for his senior year because he's a likely 2nd round pick at this point.

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"this is one of the reasons UNC never got involved with Wall: http://clemson.scout.com/a.z?s=46&p=8&c=1&nid=2411829 He was originally thought to be the best PG prospect in the nation on scout, and is rated the #3 PG by rivals. He's really a combo guard, and will probably play more 2 than 1, but they signed Larry Drew last year, there's a rumor going around that Lawson wants to come back and be the man next year, and they signed a PG for 2010 already. Add that with the Cliftons and there's UNC not getting involved with Wall"

This is pretty much correct. Roy doesn't get involved with prospects who have handlers. He only deals with the recruit and family. Also, we're pretty well set up at point like you said. We signed Drew in '08, have a verbal from Strickland (who is a combo guard and can back up Drew) for '09, and Marshall for '10.

2/22/2009 5:50:44 PM

Just FYI, Lowe and staff are not "dealing" with the cliftons. They are speaking with them, but the extent of their involvement is a relationship and nothing more. IIRC we actually stopped contact with him for a while during the AAU season because of that, but that doesn't mean we're not speaking to them.

2/22/2009 7:23:43 PM

what the fuck

http://wolfpackhoops.blogspot.com/2009/02/source-very-confident-on-cousins-to-nc.html
alright wolfpackhoops guy, time to explain.

2/22/2009 7:37:14 PM

did gunzz tell you that??

2/22/2009 7:38:07 PM

If Wall and Cousins both came to State the sky would fall (or the N&O would call foul and we'd end up on probation somehow b/c an NCAA investigation revealed that some walk-on gave four tickets to a buddy who in turn sold two of them and then bought the walk-on a meal to thank him for the tickets ).

2/22/2009 8:11:59 PM

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"Source "Feels Very Good" on Cousins to NC State"

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"**NOTES ON COUSINS** While this seems like good news, refrain from jumping to premature conclusions."

Way to contradict yourselves there.


It could also just be a guy jerkin' it to the thought of DC playing for us. I've done this before, and it does feel very good, but I don't think of myself as an inside source on that kind of information.

[Edited on February 22, 2009 at 8:19 PM. Reason : .]

2/22/2009 8:15:05 PM

don't play with my emotions

2/22/2009 8:19:05 PM

sorry guys, i gave them misleading info and told them that i feel very good about where we stand with cousins.

2/22/2009 8:24:05 PM

lolololol

2/22/2009 8:24:09 PM

^^^^they arent contradicting themselves. He's simply saying that a reliable source is saying it's looking "very good". He never jumped to a conclusion and said, "So, you can probably go ahead and say cousins is coming to state." or anything like that.

2/22/2009 8:32:28 PM

Everybody is jumping all over this wolfpackhoops guy on packpride for posting this. I read into it as saying that Demarcus really likes what State has to offer and we are looking like the best option as of this moment. Nothing to get worked up about, but it's nice to know we are still a big player in his recruitment and we are going to have a shot at him when we get to signing day.

Thanks for all the info wolfpackhoops, a lot of us appreciate the work you put into the site.

2/22/2009 8:46:09 PM

I can "feel very good" about a lot of things

but it really doesn't amount to shit.

2/22/2009 8:53:45 PM

Most people are saying that Sidney and his staff are trying to recruit Cousins by establishing a good relationship with his mother, while Calipari is trying to recruit Cousins by establishing a good relationship through his coaches. Both are very influential in a kid's decision, but I think recruiting the family is more important. Most kids want to make their family (most definitely their mother) happy. It's not a coincidence that Cousins supposedly has decided to take a certain foreign language class which State requires and Memphis does not. That shows that Cousins is probably serious about State being an option for him. We are most likely top two with Memphis. I don't think K-State, Washington, and Rice are as in it as much as us and Memphis.

What's making me really mad is that we have to keep going up against Memphis for recruits. Favors, Wall, Cousins, Brown, LaQuinton Ross, Duece Bello all have had Memphis involved in their recruitment. Do you know how hard it is to recruit against a team that just made the NC game, and has Calipari as its head coach? Cal is a very savy guy and great recruiter. I give Sid credit for going up against the big dogs of college bball, and winning in some of the cases (Brown, Howell, etc.).

2/22/2009 9:07:51 PM

^dont forget bishop daniels

2/22/2009 9:10:02 PM

might as well just go ahead and say everyone we're recruiting.

2/22/2009 9:15:04 PM

Oh yeah. I was thinking about him in that group of prospects as well. I don't know why I didn't type his name when compiling that list.

The Wolfpack Hoops blog has been a pretty credible source of information. Lets hope they keep that up and this information proves to be true. If we truly end up being in the final two, but don't ultimately land Cousins, then I think the blogs credibility is still fine. The posting doesn't say that it is a done deal or anything.

2/22/2009 9:16:38 PM

^^^Does anybody think we are getting info on high school players from some of the same sources that memphis gets their info from? Seems really odd that both schools have targeted so many of the same kids.

I know most of these kids are well known.......but we were in the mix for most of them fairly early. Just seems odd that we are butting heads with memphis so often.

[Edited on February 22, 2009 at 9:19 PM. Reason : ^]

2/22/2009 9:18:45 PM

who knows, but bishop daniels is sick... and young, he is going to be a top 5 recruit by senior year

he needs to wear that wolfpack uni in 3 years

2/22/2009 9:29:02 PM

i think bishop is going to be more of a 2 than a pg. apparently duke is getting involved with both him and bello.

i'm having difficulties figuring out our 3rd and 4th options for 09. Apparently Sandi isn't in that top 3 or 4 and I was thinking he could be. I've heard about one or two guys every now and then, but nothing major on anyone but Cousins, Wall, and Marcius

2/22/2009 11:10:54 PM

just wanted to clarify some posts I made earlier:

I HATE UNC as much, if not more, than prob. just about everyone on this board. It was drilled into me since birth from my grandparents, parents, and uncle. I don't care about anything whatsoever concerning UNC.

The only reason I stated the thing about it being weird and something to at least consider with regards to Wall that UNC did not offer him or really even look at him was because of Roy's history. He offers more guys than almost anyone else in the country and takes whomever commits. He obviously will recruit guys with "baggage" or "issues" or whatever you want to call it and proved it by recruiting Lawson. His past problems are well documented.

I was not aware of some of the stuff about the Cliftons and other things and I appreciate the info. I just thought it was something to consider because of how Roy recruits.

If Wall will help State basketball more than hurt it, win some games and maybe help us make a run in the tournament, then please go get him. If he won't then don't go after him. The consensus is that he definitely will and that his character, attitude, and whatever else some have questioned won't be a problem. Fine by me. Get him in red and lets let him take us as far as he can. I never stated I didn't want Wall, just that I didn't know if he was the best thing for our program as a whole.

2/22/2009 11:11:11 PM

^I don't think you accurately have UNC's recruiting situation. He isn't going to offer just anyone. He usually offers guys who are thought to be the best in their class fairly early. He got a commitment from a top 09 combo guard before Wall started to blow up, so there was no need for him to get involved and have to deal with the Cliftons/anything else

2/22/2009 11:17:02 PM

^wall was plenty blown up before he got dexter strickland. Wall has been ranked in the top 10 in this class for quite some time.

Roy is known nationally as casting one of the wider nets when it comes to recruiting. I'm not saying its even a bad idea. Obviously he is getting talent. But it is not like it is some secret that Roy offers more guys in college bball than most.

2/22/2009 11:25:31 PM

mularkey

its way too early to be making announcements about DC to NCSU. This wolfpackhoops has a nice name - but loses credibility without even any indirect proof of the claim. 'some guy says so'. wow.

2/22/2009 11:44:20 PM

^^wall was starting to shoot up and people were starting to get involved, but by the time he got to the top ten in the class it was pretty evident that strickland was going to UNC. Strickland was higher rated than Wall (at #1 PG both major sites) when he committed to UNC. He has since been downgraded and changed to a SG by scout. Lowe got in first before anyone knew about Wall. By the time people knew about Wall, Roy saw no reason to get involved.

Consider the following when I say there was no need: Lawson looked like he could be at UNC a while and they had just brought in Drew. UNC had already signed a top PG for 2010 a couple months before anyone knew about Wall.

2/22/2009 11:46:24 PM