Cool post, man!

4/4/2015 10:29:35 AM

Time for a banner to come down on the tenth anniversary of the '05 championship.

4/4/2015 4:18:54 PM

state fans / alum are probably going to react violently when CH skates

4/5/2015 9:35:44 PM

Shut up A

4/5/2015 10:05:42 PM

A is Smath

4/5/2015 10:56:45 PM

*Pack Pride Suicide Watch*

4/6/2015 10:30:33 AM

I would be disappointed, but not surprised. Shrug and move on. Debate briefly with my UNC alum boss, and try and appear less rabid than I am on the inside.

4/6/2015 11:05:29 AM

every time this tread gets bumped up, its like going to a mandatory work family picnic:

walk in, realize there is nothing but disappointment, hang around for a bit because I feel like I have to, then leave hoping next time will be the fun one.

4/6/2015 2:12:18 PM

Can't see how the NCAA colluding with UNC on a lawsuit regarding the quality of the student athlete's education is anything but a terrible sign. This will amount to nothing more than public shaming and maybe having 'Ol Roy being thrown under the bus.

[Edited on April 6, 2015 at 2:31 PM. Reason : Es]

4/6/2015 2:26:57 PM

4/7/2015 12:12:28 AM

hehe

4/7/2015 12:51:24 AM

I have decided since the NCAA will do nothing the only thing I can do is encourage everyone to just pretend carolina never won anything for the last 20 years especially when other carolina grads or fans are listening. Like talking about how Duke has 5 titles now compared to UNC and State having 2 each and falling further behind. Its the best you are gonna be able to do and its justified because its what should happen.

Good news everyone, TA was in fact in now!

4/7/2015 8:20:36 AM

That's kind of silly.

4/7/2015 12:53:47 PM

http://raleigh.craigslist.org/zip/4950886488.html

4/7/2015 3:17:50 PM

4/7/2015 3:19:39 PM

^^AFAM seemed like a good idea at the time...

4/7/2015 4:22:05 PM

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"yes they did. because those were happening EXPLICITLY for athletics or by athletic personnel. Georgia was a coach committing the academic malfeasance as a teacher. Minnesota was a case of academic fraud solely for basketball players. There is no precedence of widespread academic fraud that encompassed regular students and athletes alike on the scale of what is happening at UNC. I know we know that it involved a disproportional amount of athletes relative to their presence in the student body. But the fact that the classes, fake papers, and easy grades were available to everyone makes this a tiger of a different stripe. "

Did you miss the emails from coaches to teachers saying "Hey, can you put my athlete into one of your fake classes?" You know, the ones that were sent WEEKS after UNC was placed on probation for "Failure to monitor"? Did you miss the admission in the Wainstein report that this was absolutely done to keep athletes eligible? For fuck's sake, how in the hell is that NOT in the NCAA's purview? If an admission of fake classes to keep athletes eligible isn't something the NCAA should monitor and punish, then what the hell is? Do I want the NCAA to monitor every single class? Hell no. But they sure as hell ought to look around when there's blatant evidence of systemic academic fraud. And "it's not our job to monitor" doesn't cut it.

4/7/2015 11:35:53 PM

http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2015/04/bobbi-owen-still-under-disciplinary-review

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"“In 2006, Owen apparently knew that the AFAM Department was enrolling far too many students in independent studies and told Nyang’oro to limit the numbers and ‘rein’ Crowder in,” the report stated. “Owen was also advised by then-Dean of Academic Advising Carolyn Cannon of her concern that signatures on grade change forms purportedly signed by Nyang’oro had actually been signed by someone else.” Owen provided Cannon with a sample of Nyang’oro’s signature so that she could compare and verify it on future grade forms, but otherwise “took no further action and apparently never shared the concerns ... with anybody above her in the administration,” the report stated."

4/14/2015 11:15:43 AM

exclusive image of the documents being signed

4/14/2015 11:51:37 AM

just a rogue senior associate dean

4/14/2015 8:16:55 PM

http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2015/04/schools-aim-to-navigate-tricky-ncaa-rules

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"In a public record obtained by the Daily Tar Heel, UNC self-reported 91 violations spanning from Jan. 1, 2012 to Aug. 13, 2014 — the date the record was requested — ranging from impermissible texting and cash benefits to improper data entry of transfer credit hours."

Yeah they've really cleaned that place up alright.

4/17/2015 12:26:38 PM

92 seems like a fuck ton to me. especially for a program already on probation during that time frame (right?). i think schools self report petty stuff like texting or calling a recruit in a dead period or trivial stuff like that. but 92 times while you're already on probation seems like a hell of a lot to me.

4/17/2015 1:55:23 PM

theres a rumor that dean never reported any kind of violations no matter how minor or trivial...

Well the rumor is that Dean never reported a violation against UNC. We all know that he has reported violations

4/17/2015 1:58:25 PM

^ this

They self reported 91 violations in an almost 3 year span vs 0 in the 50 years prior

[Edited on April 17, 2015 at 7:16 PM. Reason : ]

4/17/2015 7:16:42 PM

#stayingalive#UNCCA#slaponwrist

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article18880224.html

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"Six months after a report recounting 18 years of academic fraud at UNC-Chapel Hill, few clues have emerged as to where the NCAA is headed with its investigation. But contacts with at least two potential witnesses show the NCAA is treating UNC as a partner in the case, despite the previous efforts UNC mounted to convince the NCAA and the public that the fraud had no athletic motive. In one circumstance, the NCAA received documents from a former graduate school admissions director, Cheryl Thomas, that showed a football player had been admitted and given a fourth year of eligibility despite a low GPA and no entrance exam. It forwarded the documents to a lawyer representing UNC, emails show. The lawyer then sought to interview her. When she didn’t respond, the NCAA contacted her by email for an interview. But that email shows the NCAA wanted UNC to participate.For the NCAA, this is not unusual. It long has been the organization’s practice to conduct joint investigations with member schools. At best, the process gives an institution the opportunity to root out all the problems it can, which can earn it cooperation points when the NCAA decides sanctions. At worst, the process leads to witness intimidation, entrapment of athletes and ungathered evidence, critics say. It’s an unusual process in the universe of investigative agencies. “It doesn’t make rational sense,” said Donna Lopiano, a former director of women’s athletics at the University of Texas. “I know the institution does have an obligation under NCAA rules to assess itself and report a violation. But as soon as the NCAA comes in, I don’t understand the university’s participation.” She and others have criticized the NCAA’s handling of the UNC case. For more than two years, the NCAA accepted the university’s position that the fraud wasn’t about athletics because non-athletes were also in the fake classes and received the same high grades. But Kenneth Wainstein’s investigation last fall found athlete eligibility at the heart of the scandal. The former federal prosecutor said that Deborah Crowder, an administrative aide who managed the African studies department, created the fake classes in 1993 after academic counselors for athletes complained that her boss’ independent studies were too rigorous. Department chairman Julius Nyang’oro became aware of Crowder’s fake classes but did not put an end to them. Academic counselors for the athletes persuaded him to create a few more after Crowder retired in 2009. 20 investigations? NCAA officials declined a reporter’s request to talk about the UNC case, or the enforcement process. NCAA President Mark Emmert has said the scandal “potentially strikes at the heart of what higher education is about.” But he has not said whether he thinks what happened at UNC constitutes a violation of NCAA academic integrity rules. In the wake of the UNC case, NCAA officials told The Chronicle of Higher Education there were 20 academic misconduct investigations under way, nearly all at Division I universities. The NCAA officials also said they were dedicating more resources to uncover academic fraud. They have not identified the other universities under investigation. UNC officials declined a request to talk about the academic fraud case. UNC Athletics Director Bubba Cunningham has sought to downplay the Wainstein report’s impact. “It’s one person’s interpretation of 126 interviews,” Cunningham told Inside Carolina, a fan website, in January. “It’s some opinion, some fact, and it was used to try to understand what happened. It’s not a legal document. It’s not a document that will be the answer guide to SACS, the NCAA or anything else. It’s just one piece of evidence in a large body of information.” SACS is the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on Colleges, which accredits UNC. The commission has requested more information about the scandal and is expected to consider sanctions against the university in June. ‘No protection’ There are no whistleblower protections for those who provide evidence of misconduct to the NCAA. Athletes who are suspected of misconduct have been interviewed without counsel and under threat of suspension. The NCAA lacks subpoena power to compel those beyond the university to testify. The process is closed to the public; the NCAA has created a website so its member universities can input information without it being captured in a public records request. Mary Willingham, the former learning specialist for UNC athletes who tipped The News & Observer to the fake classes in 2011, said she never heard from the NCAA until it chose to reopen its investigation 10 months ago. Until recently, she had an active lawsuit against UNC, contending it retaliated against her for blowing the whistle. After months of negotiations, Willingham said she ultimately turned down an interview with the NCAA because it planned to give a recording of the interview to UNC while her lawsuit was in play. “They have no protection for whistleblowers. They have no protection for athletes, more importantly,” she said. “So until that time, I don’t know why any of us would want to speak to them, especially because they are running an investigation with the university.” The NCAA’s investigative operation has been staffed with young investigators who were often former college athletes or coaches, Stephen Miller, a Philadelphia lawyer who specializes in NCAA compliance cases, wrote in a 2012 article for The Atlantic. A botched investigation involving the University of Miami in 2013 brought major changes for the NCAA’s enforcement wing, including a new director. Gary Roberts, dean emeritus of Indiana University’s law school and a former faculty representative to the NCAA while at Tulane University, said he understood concerns about the joint investigative process, but noted the universities do not have the opportunity to question witnesses at NCAA infractions hearings. At that point, the debate is typically about penalties. The NCAA enforcement staff has an “extremely difficult job enforcing that complex rule book with over a thousand institutions that have a major incentive to cheat, and they can’t work like law enforcement,” he said. When universities are in trouble, they hire private lawyers with years of experience working for the NCAA. UNC has hired one of the most effective – Rick Evrard of the Bond, Schoeneck & King law firm’s suburban Kansas City office. Evrard spent seven years at the NCAA in enforcement and as director of legislative services. Nine years ago, Evrard represented the University of Kansas in an infractions case as its attorney and investigator, The New York Times reported. The NCAA largely accepted penalties suggested by the university in a case involving academic fraud in the football program and booster payments to former men’s basketball players. The university went on probation and lost some scholarships but avoided post-season bans. It was Evrard who sought to meet with Thomas, the former UNC graduate admissions director, earlier this year. Evrard also hired Jo Potuto, a University of Nebraska law professor and former chairman of the NCAA’s Committee on Infractions, as a consultant to give an assessment of the Wainstein report into the academic fraud. Potuto can still sit on the committee when vacancies arise. The News & Observer requested her assessment of the case from UNC. UNC officials said the university didn’t contract with Potuto and does not have her assessment. A push for transparency Those who call for reforms say the NCAA needs to adopt a process that leads to independent, professional investigations and hearings. The Drake Group, a national faculty organization advocating for academic integrity in college sports, put forth a nine-page proposal earlier this month that calls for the NCAA to contract with experienced former investigators to gather evidence, former judges to hear major infractions cases with witnesses testifying, and whistleblower protections and counsel for athletes. The group estimated the new enforcement system would cost the NCAA $9.1 million a year, “well within the capacity of a national organization that is generating close to $1 billion annually and returning 90 percent to its Division I members.” Lopiano, the former Texas athletic official, and Willingham are among several co-authors of the reform proposal."

[Edited on April 21, 2015 at 2:16 PM. Reason : . i dont know to make the text fit. ]

4/21/2015 2:15:58 PM

this will be the case that makes the NCAA "change it ways," but it wont change them before UNC is punished

i.e., no punishment

4/21/2015 2:25:34 PM

http://collegespun.com/acc/north-carolina/uncommitted-5-star-sf-brandon-ingram-says-that-unc-told-him-that-they-received-ncaa-allegations-on-april-17

4/22/2015 8:23:08 AM

weird that ingram would be the one to break that news if it's indeed true. figured somebody in the media would be the one to break it. isn't usually pretty public when a school receives their notice of allegations?

4/22/2015 8:32:24 AM

it is, except when the ncaa is in bed with that school.

4/22/2015 9:32:38 AM

I like how this guy wrote that story

4/22/2015 10:05:21 AM

Personally don't think UNC got anything from the NCAA yet, think Roy is trying to lie to Ingram to get him to pick UNC.

4/22/2015 10:20:33 AM

^That would be hilarious. "Oh those? We got those last week. We're off the daggum hook. Sign here."

4/22/2015 10:26:38 AM

yeah saw a few reporters confirm on twitter that UNC hadn't received anything yet

weird that Ingram would say that. He said Roy told him. Maybe Roy was just saying some BS to get Ingram to believe that it was all almost over? I dunno.

4/22/2015 1:47:43 PM

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"That would be hilarious. "Oh those? We got those last week. We're off the daggum hook. Sign here.""

It would also be killer negative recruiting fodder for years to come

4/22/2015 1:52:26 PM

Recruit's comments add intrigue for UNC scandalmongers
http://www.wralsportsfan.com/ingram-s-comments-add-intrigue/14598795/

Nice headline, Joe Ovies

4/22/2015 2:18:28 PM

^ lol

More appropriately, "Recruit's comments provide further evidence that Roy is a lying piece of shit"

From that page:

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"Roy isn't telling a recruit about an NOA UNC has but hasn't released."

Is a confusing statement.

[Edited on April 22, 2015 at 7:52 PM. Reason : ]

4/22/2015 7:50:05 PM

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"Emmert on Syracuse case: Different from UNC because it was case of athletic dept officials contributing to cheating. "In NCAA's wheelhouse.""

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WAT.

4/23/2015 11:49:48 AM

^ahahahahaah this is all setting up for UNC to skate

4/23/2015 12:05:18 PM

^^ blahahaha

4/23/2015 12:20:11 PM

So as long as "non athletic staff" provide the benefits we are ok?

Sounds to me like we need to give a bunch of deans raises to buy the best athletes out there

4/23/2015 12:21:01 PM

On a serious note, there has been no real news posted on this page.

Speculation on speculation is all we have.

4/23/2015 12:24:36 PM

we need to start cheating right now. fuck this shit.

4/23/2015 1:27:55 PM

Fuck that. So as long as you dirty up your entire university and not just the people directly employed by the athletics department you're good.

4/23/2015 2:25:05 PM

i told you guys the same shit nearly a month ago. UNC is vastly different than syracuse because the main perpetrators of the fraud are on the academic, not athletic, side. yes. athletes were involved, but it's not as clearly defined for the NCAA's role as cuse was.

also of note from his comments yesterday: he wishes he had handled Penn State differently. dude's gun shy and has to make sure every fucking T is crossed with this UNC shit.

they could still find that UNC played a shit ton of ineligible players and bring down banners based on that, but not touch the coaches of those teams.

[Edited on April 24, 2015 at 2:02 PM. Reason : .]

4/24/2015 2:01:52 PM

^I'd be fine with that

4/24/2015 2:09:26 PM

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"also of note from his comments yesterday: he wishes he had handled Penn State differently. dude's gun shy and has to make sure every fucking T is crossed with this UNC shit. "

I don't think you can say he's gun shy after what he did to Syracuse.

And he backtracked after talking about the "differences" between UNC and Syracuse. He pretty much said..."well that's why we were initially hesitant of going after UNC. But we're back there now, and I can't really comment on it..."

It sounds like he doesn't want to bring the hammer down on UNC...but I think he'll be forced to give them a pretty good knock.

4/24/2015 2:26:15 PM

So has it been established that Ingram was told by Roy prior to April 17th that they expected to get the Notice of Allegations on 4/17 and that's why Ingram said UNC got the NOA on 4/17, because that's what he thought? I wonder what caused the NCAA to delay.

4/24/2015 2:35:48 PM

he's gun shy about ruling on issues that don't fall under the purview of the NCAA. having a department that has wholly fake classes does not alone fall under the NCAA's umbrella.

they're back there now because wainstein opened up a legal window into the scandal that the NCAA didn't have the power to see in to on their own. now that they have evidence, like baseball coaches trying to get kids in to classes and whatnot, they can reengage

[Edited on April 24, 2015 at 3:42 PM. Reason : .]

4/24/2015 3:41:22 PM

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"having a department that has wholly fake classes does not alone fall under the NCAA's umbrella."

It does if they were created for athletes.

4/24/2015 4:02:39 PM

Yep but UNC found the loophole and made it where everyone could get into them if they knew about them. What a bunch of fucking assholes.

4/24/2015 4:03:45 PM