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"Nintendo has never said that..."

Right. Nintendo never said that. But CapnObvious sure did.

All the point I was trying to make is that I think (notice, I'm just stating my opinion here, not trying to prove anything) that Nintendo would sell more if they had more games at lower prices. I for one feel like $5 is too much to pay for some 20 year old game I'm gonna play for 5 minutes and move on. If they had hundreds of games to choose from and it was (literally) chump change to get one, maybe they get people like me to spend a few bucks.

Then again they seem to have no shortage of fools ready to plunk down real $$$ to play old SNES games, so I guess they're on to something.

3/27/2007 12:05:45 AM

i agree with you. i have no VC games cause 5 bucks is a lot to pay in my opinion for what basically amounts to a novelty purchase that i'll be done with in 10 minutes. i know some people really enjoy playin those games, and for them its cool, but for me its just kind of a nostalgic novelty that doesnt have much lasting appeal.

3/27/2007 12:21:46 AM

I think $10 is decent for N64 games, but I'd change the NES and SNES prices to $2.50 and $5.00

3/27/2007 12:32:17 AM

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"I for one feel like $5 is too much to pay for some 20 year old game I'm gonna play for 5 minutes and move on. If they had hundreds of games to choose from and it was (literally) chump change to get one, maybe they get people like me to spend a few bucks."

They probably don't want people like you to spend a few bucks. Ever taken an economics course?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profit_maximization

3/27/2007 7:24:16 AM

NES hockey is well worth $5 dollars. that game has a ton of replay value. and mario kart kept a group of us entertained on spring break, though i think a better investment would be to get double dash

3/27/2007 7:53:43 AM

$5 IS TOO GOD DAMN MUCH FOR A VIDEO GAME

HEY GUYS, WANT TO GO TO A BAR?

3/27/2007 7:55:13 AM

The fact that people are bitching about $5 is fucking crazy!!! Go to a blockbuster video and rent a dvd, you will get a few cents change from your 5 dollar bill, for one fucking dvd.......Go to a bar, get a nice pint, you probably have to tip on top of the $5 that the beer cost.

I am under the impression that Nintendo is KILLING it with these VC titles, seems like most owners have 5-7 or more titles, thats an extra 25-70 bucks for the fine folks at Nintendo for doing little to no work, adding more profit to their already profitable machine.

They release them slowly to fill gaps, b/c gamers will buy more if only 2-3 come out a week, and to create some sort of anticipation. You just flippantly suggest $2.50 for nintendo without thinking about the economic consequences. They would have to sell twice the amount of games to justify dropping the price. It just doesn't make sense. For the 10% of console owners that are so upset about $5 that they won't buy, there are 90% that are more than happy to pay that for their favorite games.

3/27/2007 8:12:51 AM

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"For the 10% of console owners that are so upset about $5 that they won't buy, there are 90% that are more than happy to pay that for their favorite games."

Do you have any stats to back up your 90% claim?

I mean, I don't either, but I think 90% seems ridiculously high. I'd be surprised if 90% of the people with Wiis even had an internet connection to hook their console up to, much less had actually gone on to purchase a game from the online store.

My feeling is that the people that are willing to pay $5 and $10 for 20 year old games, are the ones screwing it up for the rest of us that think those prices are too high. And no, I don't think they're in the majority.

3/27/2007 8:21:19 AM

73% of statistics are made up

3/27/2007 8:24:07 AM

Well this article says that less than half of the Wiis sold have even made it online. So that takes the 90% argument and puts it 6 feet under.

3/27/2007 8:27:21 AM

i buy $5 games just to piss you off.

3/27/2007 8:40:25 AM

I download and play them for free just to make you look stupid.

3/27/2007 8:41:46 AM

PWNT!!!!!


how do you do that on the wii?

[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 8:42 AM. Reason : s]

3/27/2007 8:42:05 AM

Sorry, let me be more clear......I mean CONSOLE OWNERS THAT ARE ONLINE AND COULD BUY VC GAMES. I don't really think Nintendo is going to look at the owners who have no internet connection, or are not online to price their VC games.

Of the "potential market" for VC games, it seems like it is a small percentage of folks that are so mad at teh high prices that they won't buy at all. I am sure some are annoyed, but still buy. You would have to prove that twice as many people, who are online, would buy games, or same number would buy double the games to justify cutting the price in half. It just doesn't make sense.

3/27/2007 8:52:49 AM

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"Do you have any stats to back up your 90% claim? I mean, I don't either, but I think 90% seems ridiculously high. I'd be surprised if 90% of the people with Wiis even had an internet connection to hook their console up to, much less had actually gone on to purchase a game from the online store. My feeling is that the people that are willing to pay $5 and $10 for 20 year old games, are the ones screwing it up for the rest of us that think those prices are too high. And no, I don't think they're in the majority."

its clear now that you have NOT taken an economics class.

Once again, for your benefit, please stfu and learn something

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profit_maximization

3/27/2007 9:09:31 AM

Do any of you know for a fact that they wouldn't sell twice as many if they cut the prices in half? Or offered 20 new games a week instead of 4-5?

Why are you so blindly willing to accept that this price point/release structure is the best one? Because the almighty Nintendo tells you so?

Sheep. All of you.

3/27/2007 9:16:07 AM

If they sold twice at half the price, they would deplete their supply at twice the rate with no increase in profit (well, actually, at a decrease in profit--if you take into account the flat costs associated with distributing each game).

The simple fact of the matter is, despite the fact that, yes, it would be totally badass if they released every game ever and charged a nickel for ten of them, they are making money under the current model and will continue to work in this way until they stop making money.

We've all got emulators, we can all get any game we want that's ever been made for absolutely free, but sometimes it's fun to play it on the console, and some of us are willing to part with five dollars to do that.

3/27/2007 9:22:09 AM

nm

[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 9:31 AM. Reason : nm]

3/27/2007 9:31:04 AM

I happen to think the current price points are close to perfect for the AAA titles that most people want to buy. (Excepting the n64, I think it should be 8 like snes) The problem is all the shovelware titles that are sitting at the same price point.
I have no problem paying $5 for a copy of zelda/kirby/mario3 that will never lose saves or break on its own. I, however will never pay $5 for most the the early nes crap they've put up. Those things are only being bought by people nostalgic about playing them back in 84. Maybe I'd spend $1 on nes pinball.

That said, releasing many games each week/all at once would definately hurt profits. Besides directly competing with wii title sales, there would be much more competition between vc titles, resulting in less sales overall.

3/27/2007 9:56:50 AM

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" Why are you so blindly willing to accept that this price point/release structure is the best one? Because the almighty Nintendo tells you so? Sheep. All of you."

no, we're willing to "blindly" accept that the suits at Nintendo know how to optimize a price point for maximum profit, because they have an obligation to their shareholders as a publically traded company to do so.

also, they're a hell of a lot smarter than a nacho boy who thinks he knows shit yet hasn't even taken Economics 101

3/27/2007 9:57:29 AM

Look man, All I did was state my opinion about what it would take for them to get ME to buy a game or two.

I then even said that Nintendo was probably doing the right thing.

Why are you continuing to mindlessly troll me? Don't you have something better to do?

3/27/2007 10:01:35 AM

So along the lines of this "conversation" how many and which VC titles does everyone own?

I've got Super Mario Bros. (NES), Contra III (SNES), Donkey Kong Country (SNES) and TLoZ:OoT (N64)

3/27/2007 10:18:15 AM

i just have Mario 64 so far.. but i've been thinking of getting kirby and kid icarus since they came out

3/27/2007 10:33:07 AM

i would like to clarify my point earlier. i'm not going to spend 5 bucks on an old nintendo game, but that doesnt mean i think nintendo should sell them for less. its their games, they can sell em for what they want to, and i think their strategy is working fine. i am not upset that the games are being sold for more than i'm willing to pay, i just know i'd play em for 5-10 minutes and be done with em. i use to have a ton of these games on an emulator on my computer and either played em once for a couple minutes or never even played em at all. i will probably get super mario bros at some point, and if they ever manage to work it out to get goldeneye on there, i'll probably get that too.

^yea mario 64 is also on the list of games i may eventually get.

[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 10:41 AM. Reason : .]

3/27/2007 10:41:13 AM

you should not have to buy the games if you previously purchased them.....but again, how would you "prove" that?

3/27/2007 10:47:23 AM

Super Mario Brothers - played once through
Ice Hockey - played twice
Altered Beast - oddly have played this the most with my buddy, for some reason we can't seem to beat it
Tecmo Bowl - played a few times, getting very frustrated at the computer intercepting like 50% of my passes
Ocarina of Time - Will definitely be getting my $10 worth out of this one

[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 10:57 AM. Reason : s]

3/27/2007 10:57:08 AM

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"Right. Nintendo never said that. But CapnObvious sure did."

Never said that. You seem to be seeing words to validate your argument when you really have no backing.

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"Why are you so blindly willing to accept that this price point/release structure is the best one? Because the almighty Nintendo tells you so?"

No one said it was the best one. Its not unreasonable, though (for the good games at least). Periodically releasing games IS the best option, though I would like to see more released in each go around.

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"Look man, All I did was state my opinion about what it would take for them to get ME to buy a game or two. "

So, you are saying that in order to get YOU to buy a game or two, Nintendo should release every game that they have ever created on next month's release for $1 dollar a pop? I better give them a call up letting them know that some college kid is willing to spend a few dollars on a few games if they were all released at once. THAT will release the flood gates.

Once again, you lose. GTFO.

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"So along the lines of this "conversation" how many and which VC titles does everyone own?"

I have SFII (dammit, I really want Turbo, though), Bomberman (5 player FTW), and Mario 64 (roomate bought it). I am debating on grabbing MK64, but I am not sure because I could go out and grab Double Dash for GC instead (thought I think I may like 64 version better). I've debated on picking up Kirby for NES. God, I want the SNES versions though. I also hope they can get Square Enix involved. When the RPG floodgates open from the SNES days, all hell will break loose.

3/27/2007 11:00:20 AM

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"Never said that. You seem to be seeing words to validate your argument when you really have no backing."

Oh, but I believe that's EXACTLY what you said.

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"More time, more titles . . . make sense?"

That's how I got drug into this silly argument in the first place. I don't think I've ever tried to hide the fact that I don't care for the VC. I'm just throwing some ideas out there to spark DISCUSSION.

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"No one said it was the best one."

Excretor did.

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"Periodically releasing games IS the best option, though I would like to see more released in each go around."

If you'll read what I wrote, you'll see this is exactly what I suggusted. I never said they SHOULD release all the games next week. Just that a) there's no reason why they COULDN'T and b) that they should release more. Who's putting words in other people's mouths now?

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"So, you are saying that in order to get YOU to buy a game or two, Nintendo should release every game that they have ever created on next month's release for $1 dollar a pop? I better give them a call up letting them know that some college kid is willing to spend a few dollars on a few games if they were all released at once. THAT will release the flood gates."

The way I see it, the way the VC is set up currently is one extreme. Release a minimal amount of games per week, at the absolute highest pricepoint that a small minority of people would be willing to pay. The other extreme would be to release them all at once for practically nothing. Note, I never suggested that Nintendo would be smart to actually go to the other extreme, but what's wrong with something in the middle? Or Lord knows, what's wrong with discussing it on some message board? You seem to be insistant that no one shall speak any wrong of the almighty cash machine that is Nintendo. And I'm just not wearing the same colored glasses as you are.

I'm not really sure how I lose something when there's no completion. It's called a discussion. And you can keep telling me to GTFO, until you're blue in the face, you'll just continue to look like an idiot when that doesn't happen.

3/27/2007 11:16:33 AM

I keep thinking about buying Toejam & Earl, but then I remember how slow those guys used to walk.

Also, Godfather is pretty good. It's not as good as GTA, and more of a "sim." And the driving is pretty weak sometimes. But it's still good, and I've probably invested 6 hours or so since Saturday.

Also, lols at the fanboys messing up the thread. Did you guys hear about the petition to Playstation to keep Devil May Cry exclusive to PS3? The arguing in this thread is almost as whiny as that petition.

3/27/2007 11:55:21 AM

Everyone should be forced to agree with everyone else.

It's really the only fair way.

3/27/2007 12:02:19 PM

i do not agree with that statement

3/27/2007 12:06:20 PM

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"I keep thinking about buying Toejam & Earl, but then I remember how slow those guys used to walk. "

Last week I played it for the first time in well over a decade. My memory of the game had a much higher rating than what the game actually ended up being after all that time. I guess the nostalgia factor and overall forgetfulness due to the passage of time made me remember the game as being better than it actually is.

3/27/2007 12:23:05 PM

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""More time, more titles . . . make sense?""

Jesus Christ, dude. That was from the comment about XBox 360 having more titles out for their downloadable content. Let me spell it out in completely clear English so you don't get it confused. Sorry I don't have crayons for you.

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""The XBox 360 has had more time, therefore, the XBox 360 has more titles . . . make sense?""

You misunderstood it once, and I clarified for you, yet you still can't get it?

Btw, people would take you more seriously if you didn't come off as a troll (even since pg 1?).

3/27/2007 12:32:47 PM

3/27/2007 12:39:04 PM

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"So along the lines of this "conversation" how many and which VC titles does everyone own? "

mariokart 64- i love this game
kid icarus- hard as hell....im only up to level 1.4 right now. thank god for the automatic save feature of the VC
toe jam and earl - i loved this game when i was younger, but its kind of tedious now:

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"I keep thinking about buying Toejam & Earl, but then I remember how slow those guys used to walk. "

[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 12:41 PM. Reason : d]

3/27/2007 12:40:35 PM

Why are people buying Ocarina, Mario 64, etc? Don't you already have these games?

3/27/2007 12:57:53 PM

I have a bunch of games though my roomates bought a couple of them
MK64
Link to the Past
Sonic 1
Toe Jam and Earl
Streets of Rage
Kid Icarus
Mario World

guess i am one of those losers who will pay too much for these games and piss the rest of you guys off

3/27/2007 1:04:55 PM

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"Why are people buying Ocarina, Mario 64, etc? Don't you already have these games? "

nope...this wii is my first system since my genesis.

[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 1:16 PM. Reason : d]

3/27/2007 1:16:29 PM

i had one game for the 64: mario 64. so i've bought mario kart 64, plus my n64 doesn't work anymore. i still have a working snes w/ super mario world and mario kart, which i still play. i've also bought sonic (the first one), kirby, and donkey kong country. i <3 these games mucho

3/27/2007 1:19:11 PM

My sister has our old N64. Its also $10, which is about the same price as you can buy the cart for . . . and this is guaranteed not to get old.

3/27/2007 1:19:43 PM

Some may see it as trolling, I just see it as trying to get my point across. I do have a tendency to get riled up when other people act childish.

No matter how you slice it, calling someone a Tard and ending your post with "You Lose GTFO" isn't a mature way to discuss things.

You may call it trolling, I call it stooping to your level. For that though, I do apologize. This thread doesn't need that from anyone.

3/27/2007 1:51:39 PM

I put a modchip in my Wii.

Made a disc with a SNES emulator + every US game on it.
Made a disc with a NES emulator + every US game on it.

Problem solved.

3/27/2007 2:08:28 PM

Sooo back on my topic of saying that the VC is right now just a lame duck in my Wii. Example? Look at yesterday's release. 1 game. 1 game I've never heard of or played on the SNES.

I mean you couldn't drop Mario 2? Or another 64 game? Heck Sega's got a ton still not explored.

I would seriously consider buying a X-box 360 for their Live Arcade 4 player online play over the Wii's VC.

The more and more Nintendo "leaks" out VC games like a strained cow being milked for chocolate, the more times I shake my head in shame for being a Nintendo fanboy. B/c I'll be honest I am. But that does not stop be from calling bullshit when I smell it.

Anyways nice flame fest you all had going on for almost 1 full page

3/27/2007 2:10:28 PM

I'm just trying to get this thread to 100 pages.

3/27/2007 2:16:31 PM

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"I put a modchip in my Wii. Made a disc with a SNES emulator + every US game on it. Made a disc with a NES emulator + every US game on it. Problem solved."

Didn't know you could do this yet. But I wish that there was more accessibility so I didn't have to consider it. Nintendo did make some serious mistakes re: VC and P2P networking. This is hardly cutting edge technology.

3/27/2007 2:17:38 PM

there are already 3 flavors (essentially the same though) of modchips. They are all drive hacks, which means they will most likely be undetectable (some have argued about this).

Mine is the CycloWiz.


all the old gamecube homebrew works with it, there's a lot of neat apps.

[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 2:28 PM. Reason : d]

3/27/2007 2:27:35 PM

It never fails. 2 days after I placed my order for my black Wii case they go and release a cooler one.

3/27/2007 2:27:58 PM

I'll buy your black off you.

That one just looks.... annoying.

3/27/2007 2:28:38 PM

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"I put a modchip in my Wii. Made a disc with a SNES emulator + every US game on it. Made a disc with a NES emulator + every US game on it. Problem solved."

Or just continue to play them on your PC.

3/27/2007 2:30:39 PM

wait, youre complaining about paying $5 for a video game, yet you're buying a different color case for you wii?

3/27/2007 2:31:05 PM